- (en - 2014/10/25) Noble fir along the river below the dam, Lake Vyrnwy
- (en - 2014/10/25) European larch next to Lake Vyrnwy, Lake Vyrnwy
- (en - 2014/10/25) Ruwe berk op Top of Gray hill, Llanvair-Discoed, Verenigd Koninkrijk
- (en - 2014/10/25) SEVERE SPUR DAMAGE ON SCOTLAND'S TALLEST TREE!!!!!
- (en - 2014/10/25) Monumental trees west of Waterloo Bridge by 300 metres, along the Fford Craiglan road in Betwys Y Co
- (en - 2014/10/25) Coast redwood in Bodnant Garden, Conwy - Tal-y-Cafn
- (de - 2014/10/24) Gemeine Fichte in den Wäldern von Arlesberg in Geraberg
- (en - 2014/10/24) European beech bottom of east facing escarpment below Ionic Temple and Dunc, Duncombe Park
- (nl - 2014/10/24) Chinese vleugelnoot in de Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew
- (en - 2014/10/24) Monumental trees in the van der Werfpark in Leiden
- (en - 2014/10/24) Tall trees at Conwy
- (de - 2014/10/24) Gewone plataan in Piazelle Roma, Garda, Italië
- (en - 2014/10/23) Tree of undetermined species next to Lake Vyrnwy, Lake Vyrnwy
- (en - 2014/10/23) Second largest Douglas Fir in Canada discovered
- (en - 2014/10/23) The thickest, tallest, and oldest Weymouth pine trees (Pinus strobus)
- (de - 2014/10/23) Wintereik in de straat Pfaueninsel, Wannsee, Duitsland
- (nl - 2014/10/23) Mammoetboom
- (en - 2014/10/23) Zomereik 'Tafelbaum' langs het Forêt dominiale de Grossholz, Stetten, Frankrijk
- (en - 2014/10/22) Goat willow at Woodlands tavern, small road to field of tree, Llanvair-Discoed
- (en - 2014/10/22) Zwarte den in het gebied of Yalta, Jalta, Oekraïne
- (en - 2014/10/21) Boswilg op Woodlands tavern, small road to field of tree, Llanvair-Discoed, Verenigd Koninkrijk
- (en - 2014/10/21) Ruwe berk op Top of Gray hill, Llanvair-Discoed, Verenigd Koninkrijk
- (en - 2014/10/20) Gewone zilverspar op de Kaslerberg, Mittlach, Frankrijk
- (nl - 2014/10/20) Treurwilg in het Anne Frankplantsoen, Eindhoven, Nederland
- (en - 2014/10/20) Upload photos · MonumentalTrees.com
- (en - 2014/10/20) H. monticola
- (nl - 2014/10/19) Canadese populier aan de oever van de laaglandbeek de Donge, 's Gravenmoer, Nederland
- (en - 2014/10/19) Large-leaved lime in the park of Schloss Birstein, Birstein
- (nl - 2014/10/18) Geroteerde foto.
- (en - 2014/10/18) Boswilg op Woodlands tavern, small road to field of tree, Llanvair-Discoed, Verenigd Koninkrijk
- (en - 2014/10/18) Second largest Douglas Fir in Canada discovered
- (de - 2014/10/16) Tamme kastanje op de weg van de col de Bavella- 600m, Zonza, Frankrijk
- (de - 2014/10/16) Zomereik 'Pferdekopfeiche' in de Tiergarten, Ivenack, Duitsland
- (de - 2014/10/16) Zomereik in Petworth Park, Petworth, Verenigd Koninkrijk
- (de - 2014/10/16) Zomereik 'Cysters' in het park van het Cisterciënzerklooster, Rudy, Polen
- (nl - 2014/10/16) Zomereik nabij Lazdas, Padure, Letland
- (nl - 2014/10/16) Zomereik 'Majesty' in Fredville Park, Nonington, Verenigd Koninkrijk
- (de - 2014/10/16) Zomereik nabij Keci, Nitaure, Letland
- (de - 2014/10/16) Zomereik 'Dąb Chrobry' in Piotrowice, Szprotawa, Polen
- (de - 2014/10/16) Zomereik in het Nationale Park van Białowieża, Białowieża, Polen
- (en - 2014/10/16) Fijnspar langs de rivier de Biogradska rijeka, Biogradska Gora National Park, Montenegro
- (en - 2014/10/16) Sitkaspar 'Quinault Lake Spruce' nabij Lake Quinault Resort, Lake Quinault, Verenigde Staten
- (de - 2014/10/16) Beuk in de straat Rathauspark, Innere Stadt, Oostenrijk
- (en - 2014/10/16) Moseik achter het hoofdgebouw van Blickling Hall, Blickling, Verenigd Koninkrijk
- (en - 2014/10/16) MonumentalTrees.com · Register
- (en - 2014/10/15) Moseik achter het hoofdgebouw van Blickling Hall, Blickling, Verenigd Koninkrijk
- (en - 2014/10/14) Zwarte den in het Park von Schloss Eremitage, Bayreuth, Duitsland
- (de - 2014/10/12) Echte bitternoot in de Kleefse tuinen, Kleve, Duitsland
- (nl - 2014/10/12) Beuk aan de Hoofdstraat, Hoogeveen
- (es - 2014/10/12) Nog niet gedetermineerde boom op de Vismarkt, Middelburg, Nederland
- (en - 2014/10/11) MonumentalTrees.com · Register
- (nl - 2014/10/10) Beuk aan de Hoofdstraat, Hoogeveen, Nederland
- (nl - 2014/10/10) Gezaagdbladige eik
- (de - 2014/10/09) Zomereik op de begraafplaats aan de Kirche, Lüttenhagen, Duitsland
- (de - 2014/10/09) Oostelijke hemlockspar in het ehem. Gutspark, Kröchlendorff (Nordwestuckermark), Duitsland
- (nl - 2014/10/09) Direction of development MT
- (en - 2014/10/08) Appelaar op het domein van het Waldmuseums, Lüttenhagen, Duitsland
- (en - 2014/10/08) Zomereik 'Eaton Manor Violet Oak' in een Field, Eaton-Under-Heywood, Verenigd Koninkrijk
- (en - 2014/10/08) Pacific silver fir Benmore Botanic Garden in Dunoon
- (en - 2014/10/08) Elder at the top of Gates Wood, Knaresborough
- (en - 2014/10/07) European silver fir in the ehem. Gutspark, Warbende (Nordwestuckermark)
- (en - 2014/10/07) Silver birch along the Birch Walk in Thorpe Perrow Arboretum
- (en - 2014/10/07) Serbian spruces in the Arboretum in Liptovsky Hradok
- (en - 2014/10/06) Tree of undetermined species along lower Flaxdale at Harwood House, Dalby Forest, United Kingdom
- (en - 2014/10/06) Oriental beech in Mtirala National Park, Georgia
- (nl - 2014/10/06) Zomereik 'Rovere della Vicinia' nabij een church in Fossalta
- (en - 2014/10/06) Monumental trees in the castle garden of Blair Castle in Blair Atholl
- (nl - 2014/10/06) Zwarte walnoot op de begraafplaats Crooswijk, Rotterdam
- (nl - 2014/10/06) Zwarte walnoot op de begraafplaats Crooswijk, Rotterdam
- (nl - 2014/10/06) Zwarte walnoot op de begraafplaats Crooswijk, Rotterdam, Nederland
- (en - 2014/10/05) Honingboom aan de Südgiebel des Abtgebäudes, Kloster Chorin, Duitsland
- (en - 2014/10/05) Honingboom aan de Südgiebel des Abtgebäudes, Kloster Chorin, Duitsland
- (en - 2014/10/05) Honingboom aan de Südgiebel des Abtgebäudes, Kloster Chorin, Duitsland
- (en - 2014/10/05) Honingboom aan de Südgiebel des Abtgebäudes, Kloster Chorin, Duitsland
- (de - 2014/10/05) Riesenmammutbaum auf dem Privatgelände in Brwice
- (fr - 2014/10/05) IF MILLÉNAIRE ABATTU
- (en - 2014/10/05) Col de Verde in Chiraldino, Frankrijk
- (en - 2014/10/05) Nationale Park van Białowieża in Białowieża, Polen
- (nl - 2014/10/05) Trompetboom in de Stropstraat
- (fr - 2014/10/04) Elsbes in het park van Schloss Belvedere, Weimar, Duitsland
- (de - 2014/10/03) Monumentale Bäume · Benutzerkonto erstellen
- (en - 2014/10/03) Nordmann fir in the Millbank Pinetum, Thorpe Perrow Arboretum, United Kingdom
- (en - 2014/10/03) Tree of undetermined species at the end of Main Avenue at junction with Fern Avenue, Thorpe Perrow A
- (en - 2014/10/03) Coast Douglas-fir in the woods of Reelig Glen, Moniack, Inverness
- (nl - 2014/10/03) Meerstammig of niet
- (en - 2014/10/03) Moseik vlakbij de Seniorenstift Juliusspital, Würzburg, Duitsland
- (nl - 2014/10/01) Mammoetboom in de bossen van Nymans Estate, Handcross, Verenigd Koninkrijk
- (en - 2014/10/01) Coast redwood in Bodnant Garden, Conwy - Tal-y-Cafn
- (en - 2014/10/01) Coast Douglas-fir along the roadside just down from the picnic area, Aber Hirnant
- (en - 2014/10/01) European larch along the river further down than the picnic area, Aber Hirnant, United Kingdom
- (en - 2014/10/01) Europese lork langs de rivier de further down than the picnic area, Aber Hirnant, Verenigd Koninkrijk
- (nl - 2014/09/30) Welcome
- (nl - 2014/09/29) Gewone taxus bij de Église Notre-Dame-de-l'Assomption, Montgardon, Frankrijk
- (nl - 2014/09/29) Zomereik aan de rand van het Weges nach Steinbeck, Bellin, Duitsland
- (en - 2014/09/28) Japanse cipres in de straat im Park Babelsberg, Potsdam, Duitsland
- (nl - 2014/09/27) New functionality: cultivars/varieties/subspecies/...
- (nl - 2014/09/27) Overleg · Monumentale bomen
- (nl - 2014/09/27) Tulpenboom in het park van kasteel Groeneveld, Baarn
- (en - 2014/09/26) Giant sequoia in stadpark, Vitoria-Gasteiz
- (en - 2014/09/24) Mammoetboom in stadpark, Vitoria-Gasteiz, Spanje
- (en - 2014/09/24) Gewone plataan op het domein van het Kloster Sankt Anna in der Wüste, Mannersdorf, Oostenrijk
- (nl - 2014/09/22) Amerikaanse beuk in Hueston Woods State Park, College Corner, Verenigde Staten
- (en - 2014/09/22) Coast Douglas-fir west of Waterloo Bridge by 300 metres, along the Fford Craiglan road, Betwys Y Coe
- (en - 2014/09/22) Black poplar in the garden of Rheinallee, Boppard
- (en - 2014/09/22) The 'Owen Johnson Tree'.
- (en - 2014/09/22) Coast Douglas-fir close to a retenue d'eau non loin du barrage de Chartrain in Renaison
- (en - 2014/09/22) Coast Douglas-fir west of Waterloo Bridge by 300 metres, along the Fford Craiglan road, Betwys Y Coe
- (en - 2014/09/21) Zomereik 'Schwedeneiche' aan de Ortsrand auf der Wiese, Weida, Duitsland
- (nl - 2014/09/21) Nog niet gedetermineerde boom aan de Schloss Hämelschenburg, Emmerthal, Duitsland
- (nl - 2014/09/21) Zomereik langs de Dalweg in Arnhem
- (de - 2014/09/21) Zomereik 'Grabeiche' langs de Dorfstraße, Nöbdenitz, Duitsland
- (nl - 2014/09/21) Beuk 'Fassbuche oder Försterarsch ;-)' ten oosten van Stübnitzsee, Lychen, Duitsland
- (en - 2014/09/20) Coast Douglas-fir west of Waterloo Bridge by 300 metres, along the Fford Craiglan road, Betwys Y Coe
- (nl - 2014/09/20) Zomerlinde 'Sommerlinde von Bellin' aan de rand van het Weges nach Steinbeck, Bellin, Duitsland
- (en - 2014/09/19) Grand fir in New Wood, Weasenham Woods in Weasenham All Saints
I currently live in Caldicot (near Chepstow) S. Wales.
Until 6 months ago used to live near Lydney, Forest of Dean,.. so lots of trees yes .. took them a little bit for granted.
May be able to photograph some for you ...
Have been to Longleat (Center Parks) where there is a stand of Redwoods.
My main 'tree-focus' is Gray hill because the usage of that hill has note changed much for past ... 5000 years ? Actually I am primiraly ivestigating the 'stones' and Neolithic/Bronze age stuff.
It seems you like the great 'heights' of trees? There are plent like that in the forest of dean (FoD) as they were grown mainly for shipbuilding purposes 2-4 hundred years ago ..
I will keep an eye out for you .. but easier to use a separate email address ... (or can I post pictures here, unattached to actually registered trees ?.. I have quite a few good ones already!)
These are the Redwoods which you will have found at Centre Parcs as I ended up at them myself on a visit a few years ago. It is the location of the Britain and Ireland and European height champion Coast Redwood (also registered on page on link)which seems to be more elusive to find than Lord Lucan.
This Beech at Lydney is the Britain and Ireland Champion for height. Probably not much point visiting this year as the leaves will have just about gone now.
Yes that is a huge tree at Lydney Park. (Haven't seen it myself yet).
I walked over the back of Gray hill down to Wentwood this evening and found three MASSIVE beeches casually holding up a field fence there. Maybe not challenging the Lydney Park tree but not far off ... And three of them, just unassumingly sitting in the edge of the wood.
I shall go back tomorrow to measure and register them .... But there are so many great trees in the area that I am spoilt for choice to record them ... Such as another downy birch In a field of horses that would undoubtedly be a near-champion, if it's trunk remains 'single' for high enough....
"A friend of mine climbed the tallest tree in Scotland, at Reelig Glen Wood last weekend to measure it by tape drop. TO HIS HORROR HE FOUND THAT SOMEONE HAD CLIMBED IT USING SPURS!!! There were deep wounds ALL THE WAY from the lowest branches to a few metres from the top. There were also very bad rope burns on some branches from natural-crotched dDRT descents.
I have reported this to the Forestry Commission and also the Tree Register of the British Isles, who are investigating it.
The tree was climbed a month ago by a film unit and a presenter for the BBC. The program was aired on national TV 2 weeks ago. Is it possible that someone saw the program and decided to 'have a go at climbing it?
We need to come together to condemn such total disregard for any healthy tree, let alone a national champion!
I think this is appalling and always feared that this would happen. I feel it is a very difficult balancing act to:-
Educate and show the trees to the general public, without causing damage and also revealing such tree's exact location is perhaps not a good idea except between us tree fans/owner. I think by doing this the risk that a vandal or a so called recreational tree climber damaging it through perhaps just ignorance or just not caring is reduced significantly.
I wonder if the UK Tree Register has considered listing the trees but keeping the location deliberately vague to the public.
Owen what do you think?
I do not think it is a good idea to tell the media!
With these giants often growing in very fragile environments should we not take the policy as the same as the tallest Coast Redwoods in California? Perhaps treating them like rare protected orchids and not revealing their exact location, like say a rare military orchid.
A classic example is the Giant Sequoia just off Rhinefield Drive in the New Forest 51m tall. I have been visiting this tree for over 20 years and at first the Forestry Commission just put up a vague post some distance away which attracted little attention from the public. But now a large sign has been put up some years ago and now attracts many people to the tree.
The result is now significant soil compaction around the base, touching and picking of bark and even someones ashes had been deposited at the base! I estimate several thousand people are trampling around its root zone, which I'm sure you know is generally the most vulnerable part of the tree, with fine feeder roots only 20-30cm below the surface. I fear the tree is now showing early signs of stress. (Sequoia's are shallow rooted.)
I hope to contact the F.C. and recommend that they fence off around its root zone to prevent further damage, I am a qualified arborist/forester by the way. It would be nice if they paid for a full decompaction by compressed air to aerate the root zone.
I have a number of champion conifers which may be some of the tallest in Europe which as far as I know remain unknown except to myself, which I hope to reveal to you, but I would appreciate that they are just admired by us on this site and the UK Tree Register but not revealing exactly where they are to the media and general public to protect them.
As to the damage, I would say that it is just confined to a small area of the thin bark at the tree top and the cambium layer and as long as this is not repeated should only have a minor impact, with transpiration and subsequent growth unaffected.
Sorry for the rant but this has been a worry for me for sometime.
You can always put the coordinate point to the nearest village or onto a lake, for example, and write in the description something like "the exact location is not revealed for preventing vandalism".
We sometimes have to disguise tree locations at the request of owners who are touchy about their privacy, but 95% of trees on the Tree Register do have precise location details. To re-record the trees in 20 or 50 years time, the recorder needs to know what and where it is, and the extra paraphernalia involved in keeping the locations disguised makes me worry that sometimes this may become difficult. A tree record kept in somebody's head or on the back of an envelope is of no use at all after 50 years!
The 50m Giant Sequoia at Nymans has a boardwalk for the 10m of path that traverses its root-run, which seems a good idea.
I don't think the BBC news item that showed the Reelig Glen Douglas being climbed clearly showed at any point which of the many similar trees there the tallest actually was. I suspect they were deliberately keeping its identity unclear, as copy-cat climbs are a health-and-safety nightmare even if they don't damage the tree. The tree called Dughal Mor (on OS maps) and which has or had a plaque claiming it as Britain's tallest tree is about 30m from the new candidate and would have been the obvious tree for people to have climbed. When I visited in 2013 and identified the new tree as taller, this wasn't evident at all from the few viewpoints on the ground - hence I don't have a good photo with this one as the centre of attention.
Thank you for your views.
It is always a difficult balancing act to educate the public and at the same time, preventing damage either accidental or worse, deliberate.
My personal feeling is that there are enough sacrificial trees in arboretums and collections now to educate the public and the next generations of tall trees which are often in fragile environments should be protected.
Trouble is when the word gets out, that there is a new tall tree, it does attract public attention, especially when its in state forests which inevitably leads to a trail to the tree and over the years much potential damage can be done by soil compaction. I always advised the FC of their trees but to keep quiet about them where possible. I notify them just to let them know and hope they will be retained for their scientific value.
I would of course let the Tree Register know where they are, but often in big stands of many hectares with hundreds of trees pin pointing the tree exactly even with GPS can be impossible.
For us dendrologists I think studying these trees is great, but I think letting the general public know 'exactly' where they are is a potential risk to them. One can always say a new tree has been discovered and dimensions given, though but location kept is deliberately vague from the public.
Thanks for your comments. I have no problem posting the tallest trees on this site or the UK Tree Register. However giving precise location details to the UK public and media can be a potential risk to them, mainly too many people can visit and cause damage mainly accidental, caused by soil compaction. As you can see here someone has climbed the tree using bad techniques which have caused damage, we need to prevent this from happening where ever possible.
The location for some of the tallest Coast Redwoods in California are kept secret and only a few know where exactly they are.
There are many trees in the UK where people can visit tall trees now in private grounds or in state forests and be educated which I strongly recommend, but some of the tallest are in very fragile locations and having potentially thousands of people visiting them I feel would damage their health.
I hope to purchase a trupulse 200x soon as I am entirely scientific and dislike inaccuracy.
All the best
Have no problem posting the trees to MT or Tree Register, but keeping the location vague to the 'general public' I think is the best way to keep them safe. Sadly what man creates often destroys! As I have said before there are enough tall trees to educate the public now around the UK.
With Giant Sequoia, bark is either punched or picked off and sadly the FC is ignorant by allowing a path to the trees and then soil compaction results. Trees are not adapted to having hundreds if not thousands of people trampling around their root zone.
Coed Y Brenin:-
Sadly Rob, Dothistroma is having a big impact on these trees. There is a whole valley of 1928 50-60m Douglas with some of the trees have lost 50% of their foliage. 3 years ago these trees were growing 0.5m a year (perfect health) and in 2013 0.2m and now 0.1m due to defoliation. Trying not to get too upset as some trees appear completely resistant but it is a real worry. There are so many diseases entering that most of the UK forest stock is at risk from something.
This stand was on course to become the tallest stand of trees in Europe, but now I am not too sure? Lets hope it is a passing phase and they will become resistant!
The planted 1931 Grand Fir here could be as tall as 63m (tangent) measured it very carefully last year, very likely fastest growing tree anywhere in the world north of 52 degrees! It appears Dothistroma is affecting Grand Fir as well.
Coast Redwood is bomb proof and this tree I feel will have a great future in the warming U.K. climate in the west.
Out with the natives!
(Probably shouldn't have made that joke given the modern PC ridden world)
Off to Wales next week to see your trees near Waterloo Bridge plus some new ones. Will try to take a look at the Elan Valley Douglas on the way, where exactly are they?
Have you contacted the F.C. (now Natural Resources Wales) about these trees as I think they need a guarantee of protection. Especially it seems very likely they are the tallest Douglas Fir in the Northern Hemisphere outside the Pacific Coast of North America. I am sure they would be very interested. Although some ways better to keep the public quiet about them as having thousands of people trampling around them can be detrimental to their health due to root/ soil compaction, as the F.C often makes a trail to the trees. But letting the forest manager know is I think a good idea. What do you think?
Owen reported the Waterloo Grove trees to the Forestry Commission last year if I remember correctly. You are right about people tramping around them would cause damage although that said the land in front of them is full of bracken, brambles and hidden gullies. Have a good time, look forward to hearing about your experiences. Take some photos and report your trees whatever or wherever they are.
Got back on Sat. 12 days in North Wales. 1326 miles driven! Loads to talk about some good some bad with discoveries expect posts and much talk in the coming weeks. Waterloo Grove is amazing!
How long did you spend at the Waterloo Grove, it is the sort of place that you don't want to leave in a way as the trees tower. Did you measure it yourself? Don't be afraid of submitting readings, your readings for the Aber Hirnant trees were practically identical with what the Forestry Pro recorded when I pointed it. I think anyone or everyone will accept your measurements.
Big Douglas around Betws y Coed:-
1326 miles is including the journey there and back, but drove about 850 miles around Snowdonia! Very easy to do as its such a big area and driving 100 miles a day from my B+B was very easy and with no potholes!
Spent several mornings at Waterloo Grove. Crashing about the undergrowth! One thing which is apparent is that you don't get any sense of scale of the trees. Your 36m Scots Pine looks very small in comparison. I did not measure any, crashing about the brambles and ferns could have taken days with a tape for a baseline.
It looks as though they have been thinned about 15 years ago judging by the stumps, which they have responded to. The quality of the trees is superb and you may have noticed a massive cone crop at the top. This was a once a decade opportunity to collect seed which I did in abundance! There must have been a drought year in 2013 as trees often produce a heavy seed crop during times of stress. This has taken a lot of energy for growth out of the trees and put it into seed production. Consequently the leaders have been much shorter this year also possibly due to a dry early summer.
The Douglas seed now collected from Washington is absolutely crap with coarse poorly formed trees. The Waterloo Grove is most likely to have originated from the Washington Coast or Cascade foothills according to my FC seed import records, possibly from near Vancouver as well. The high quality is due to the loggers felling the best trees with good genes and subsequently collecting the seed for export to the UK as a byproduct. Sorry my forestry hat is on now!
I would say average height of the stand is over 55m with many dominants at or over 60m. The growth rate is as good or better than anywhere in their native range. Very sheltered could reach 75m! If left alone!
Saw the trees at Miner's bridge and across the road at Artists Wood. Even better quality here with perfect cylindrical stems with nice thin bark (some of the best I have ever seen.) These were planted in 1927. I am convinced that you may have missed the tallest at the bottom of the slope where I am sure there are at least 6 trees at or approaching 60m. Also a Grand fir 60m? They are at the bottom of the slope and I think Owen got 60m for one in his book?
Thats the good news now the bad:-
I'm afraid Dothistroma or otherwise known as red band needle blight is attacking Douglas now and the trees at Miners Bridge are suffering with 30-40% needle loss caused by the fungus prematurely removing the older needles.
I will write a report on this for MT as this I'm afraid will have an impact on these trees in Europe, something which I find very depressing!
I just don't know how I missed the biggest trees here as I wandered round and round up and down the trails above the Miners Bridge and drove right along the road at the top and stopped and measured numerous trees?
I crossed the Miners Bridge and turned immediately left along the east bank of the Afon Lugwy and followed the track north for more than 300 metres, quote:
'Douglas Fir 60 metres 297 cm 300 metres north of Miners Bridge, at bottom of bank of 1921 trees'
I definitely went further along than 300 metres, the views that I could get the to the tips the trees were not 60 metres with the Forestry Pro but early 50 metres? They are difficult to measure I accept and I was hoping to beat the previous day 65 metres at the Waterloo Grove but I was disappointed as none came near. I probably could live with a speciman or two or perhaps late 50 metres but I don't think that they are any taller. I did see several broken stumps (photo in link) which I wondered if could be Owen's tree as it was about 300m north of the Miners Bridge just up from the bottom of the stand. My lay man's eye is abit different to your professional eye, the Afon Lugwy trees did/do not look as luxuriant as the Waterloo Grove (see clean 53 metre in link above), the crowns were narrower which I thought may be because the location is more exposed to the west and north west winds howling down the valley.
I agree about the Artists Wood trees, finer specimans than the Lugwy trees, for me anyway.
I didn't particularly notice the heavy cone crop but interesting to know why this occurs. Agree about the ferns and brambles around the big trees at Waterloo, there are also hidden gullies which you cannot see. I ended up in one up to my chest last year when attempting to get to the base of the 65 metre tree to girth, the gully was completely hidden, the ground looked no different to that which I had traversed. At least this will add a degree of protection for these trees. I did notice when measuring the 67 metre tree that the crown looked sparser then the 65 and 64 metre tree just in front of it which are still luxuriant. The leading shoot was also short, funny that you should make that point as this is something that I definitely did notice as it was more stumpy then the neighbouring trees and abit easier to get a hit on. I muts update the other tree, readings of 65.6-65.8 metres for him this year and still a good leading shoot. You are right about the Scots Pines, look like comparative dwarfs, as said measured numerous trees now at Waterloo and every one is 60 metres, one being early 50 metres to the part that I could hit but 60 metres I estimate to the top.
Yes saw this tree on my visit last month.
I saw this tree way back in the early nineties, it was flat topped. Yes very luxuriant and healthy. Judging by the fresh fissures in the bark I would say it is still growing rapidly in girth. The trunk also has very little taper and I would not be surprised if it contained 60m3 of wood. It may reach 55-60m eventually but may take another 30 years?
A species which has not reached its full potential in the UK and with climate change, could well excel in the west. It is virtually bombproof with only man/wind/lightning the real hazard. With Giant sequoia Honey fungus and other decay fungi can attack these trees but not Coast Redwood.
Rob, the Corsican Pine was very difficult to measure tangent-fashion, as they generally are, and it could have been more than 43m. But probably also hard to see the highest shoots with laser. As it's part of the official 'shelterbelt' it may not have added more height. Much of the garden was also shut to the public on my visit in 2005 - is this a permanent condition? I know that recently Bodnant has been undergoing 'restoration' at the urging of various influentual landscape gardeners. This is a word that always fills me with dread as it generally means cutting down the existing 100-year-old trees and planting new ones to 'recreate the spirit in which the garden was originally conceived' or words to that effect. At least they've spared this one.
This Coastie doesn't grow very fast does it, I measured 51 metres for it MT standard reading (centre of base on slope), Tree Register standard it will be about 50.4 metres I estimate, the girth probably now 6 metres perhaps taking into account Stephen's comments. It looks glaucousy as you described so will it be some sort of variant and hence have a lower growth rate?
Areas are being developed and should be open next spring, apparently they take parties of people round on certain days. I did not see any felling, but I was saddened to see the big Western Hemlock had been felled.
The Corsican I did not see, but it appears the dreaded Dothistroma which Corsican is very susceptible has just started to infect trees.
Coast Redwood is superb. Still growing rapidly judging by the new fresh fissures in the bark at the base. Difficult tree to measure due to the stream! Possibly within the top 5 for size in the Northern Hemisphere outside California?
The Corsican at Puck Pitts in the New Forest. Have found a tree which could be taller than 45m, I know you have measured some of them but this tree is tucked away from the footpath.
meinst du eine weitere Höhenmessung, von einem anderen Standpunkt aus? Das geht unter "Neuer Messung hinzufügen" nicht. Zumindest nicht, wenn beide Messungen vom gleichen Jahr stammen. Du kannst aber unter "Bearbeiten Sie die Daten von diesem Baum" einen Kommentar abgeben. Wie in diesem Fall den Hinweis mit einer weiteren Messung.
ja ich meine eine zweite Höhenmessung (wegen des Geländes) und dachte, es gibt die Möglichkeit, das mich hierbei von euch jemand unterstützen kann, egal wann.
Wenn aber niemand in der Nähe des Standortes der Fichte angesiedelt ist, werde ich das mit Heimatfreunden hin bekommen.
jetzt verstehe ich dich erst. Ich dachte, du hättest bereits einen weiteren Messwert, und du weißt nicht, wie du den hier in die Datenbank eintragen sollst. Du möchtest aber vor Ort eine weitere, genauere Messung durchführen. Ok, also ich wohne etwa 120 km weg, ist also ohne weiteres für mich machbar. Welches Messinstrument hast du denn? Eingetragen hast du die Tangentenmethode, also eine reine Winkelmessung zur Spitze. Wenn der Baum schräg steht, ist das Fehlerbehaftet. Auch, wenn das Gelände geneigt ist, ist es damit Problematisch. Ich hätte ein Nikon-Entfernungsmesser. Damit kann ich eine Winkel- und Entfernungsmessung zur Spitze und zur Basis machen, was genauer ist, als eine reine Winkelmessung zur Spitze. Also ich hätte durchaus Interesse an eine Messung mit dir zusammen vor Ort. Bei mir geht es aber nur an Wochenenden.
bei der ersten Messung habe ich die Basis mit einem Stahlbandmaß gemessen, den Winkel mit einem Klinometer von Suunto.
Über die tan Funktion dann die Gegenkathede, also die Höhe berechnet.
Es wäre prima, wenn wir eine weitere Messung durchführen könnten. Wochenende ist ok, nur das Kommende geht nicht, sonst könnte ich mich bestimmt deinem Terminvorschlag anpassen.
also wie vermutet, nur eine Winkelmessung zur Spitze. Wenn der Standort dann noch höher oder tiefer als die Stammbasis ist, und der Baum an sich nicht genau senkrecht steht, summieren sich da Fehler auf. Ich messe deshalb mit einem Nikon-Entfernungsmesser, diesem hier:http://www.grube.de/nikon-forestry-pro-a-laser-entfernungsmesser-77-379.html?utm_source=googlebase&utm_medium=CPC&utm_campaign=grube&gclid=CMm5kYKatMECFQHlwgodgEkAbQ
Da wird auch die Entfernung zusätzlich zu den Winkeln gemessen, um einen Schrägstand des Baumes auszugleichen. Ist auch einfacher zu messen, da kein Bandmaß benötigt wird.
An diesem Wochenende kann ich auch nicht. Das darauffolgende Wochenende muss ich am Samstag arbeiten, am Sonntag, den 26. Oktober könnte es bei mir gehen. Wie viel Zeit wird der Baum in Anspruch nehmen? Ich meine, wie weit muss man vom Auto aus zum Baum laufen?
Je nach Geländegängigkeit deiner unteren Gliedmaße ist alles möglich, kann aber auch noch ein Stiefelpaar mitbringen.
Treffpunkt wie vorgeschlagen.
also 8 m kann ich nicht weit springen, wenn du das meinst ;-) Ich will es so versuchen, aber es wäre schön, wenn du noch ein Stiefelpaar mitbringen würdest.
Dir auch ein schönes Wochenende,
das Wetter scheint für unser Vorhaben passend zu werden. So erwarte ich dich wie abgesprochen am Sonntag 12 Uhr beim Parkplatz Schullandheim.
Bis dahin beste Grüße und gute Anfahrt
das Wetter hat die Tage für Sonntag schonmal besser ausgeschaut, geht aber noch. Zumindest soll es mittags trocken bleiben. Bis Sonntag 12 Uhr dann.
Intriguing that you stumbled upon this tree. Don't know how you see it, but in the 60's and 70's the babyboomers in Holland, judged this species as a thoroughly "burgerlijk" plant/tree. A lot of people (probably outside the world of agriculturalists, naturalist and dendrologists) defied this trees.
I used to be one of them. By now, I am a bit independent and judge everything without prejudice. And true, Laburnums can be very nice. That's what a lot of people in Asia think.
Hello Conifers, probably too late now as the leaves will have gone but any that I measure I will get an ident for from the expert eyes on here.
Owen, reading back I came across this page. Conwy, which plantation at Conwy is this referring to? On Google Maps there are no plantations up around Conwy? Does this mean along the Vale of Conwy? I drove along the west escarpment of the Conwy valley (really all Gwyrdr Forest) and stopped and pointed the laser at quite a few but they were not on the scale of the Afon Lugwy and Waterloo trees.
I saw this tree and definitely Abies grandis. Possibly from the Cascades or just east of the crest. Foliage there typically has upturned foliage at the end of branch tips, where as trees from the Pacific coast have needles which lie flat on the shoot.
Growing well maybe 40cm per year.
Thought you might have seen this, but if not look below.
This appalling Forestry practice continues! This would not happen in the UK!
The tree is sadly doomed and will blow over in the next Pacific gale.
Trees such as these need the whole valley side to protect them.
(Click the first photo for further photos.)
And a video:
How old 4-500 years?
This is not forestry and I thought the Amazon was bad!
Is there any hope for the Human Race!!
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Ik heb een heel aantal jaren geleden een aantal mammoetbomen gezaaid en gekweekt. Velen zijn tijdens een strenge winter overleden. Gelukkig zijn er een paar die het hebben overleefd. Eentje is op het moment zeer hard aan het groeien in de volle grond (net toegevoegd aan jullie archief), de ander staat in kuip en is zo'n 2 meter hoog nu. Weet iemand hier of er partijen zijn die in deze boom geïnteresseerd zou zijn?
I don't know if you're aware of the site www.ancient-tree-hunt.org.uk, which is designed to allow people to record details of veteran trees (ie trees which are important for their associated wildlife and intrinsic age) around the UK. I've just transferred your pollard sallow to this site (http://www.ancient-tree-hunt.org.uk/recording/tree?tree=96d3cccd-659a-41fe-b3fe-1b6aca7f5852), as it's clearly ancient from your pictures and one of the most significant in Wales. (You'll see the record appearing under my user-name on that site. The details of where I transferred the record from are in the notes.) I hope I've got the location right. If you want to upload your photos (or other tree records) to the Ancient Tree Hunt site, this is quite easy, though the site doesn't have much professional support these days. It's working OK today anyway!
PS Species now classified as Frangula alnus
PPS Frangula is hermaphrodite, so 'it', not 'she' ;-)
Is dit een 'gewone' gele treurwilg Salix x sepulcralis 'Chrysocoma'? Die de afgelopen weken hel-gele twijgen had. Of is het de veel zeldzamer groene treurwilg Salix babylonica, die altijd groene twijgen heeft?
Ik heb hem pas ontdekt op een nieuwe wandelroute, dus kan helaas noch bevestigen noch ontkennen. Ik gok dat het de gewone treurwilg is. Maar dat is nergens op gebaseerd....Ik kan alleen de volgende lente afwachten. Of kan ik het nog ergens anders aan zien? En ook veel dank voor je boeken tip.
Deze treurwilg stond er op MT (zonder foto) met een omtrek van 4,12m. Ik herkende hem gelijk vanwege de uitgebroken top. Als je op de kaart kijkt zie je het ook. Kun jij deze boom verwijderen en je foto toevoegen aan de boom die er al op stond. Thanks!
Overigens de dikke populier aan de overkant is toch echt een populier hoor en geen berk. De stam en bladeren laten geen twijfel.
Mooie wilg die je hebt ontdekt verderop.
excuus dat het zo lang duurde.
Het was al geregeld hoor. Ik heb de treurwilg die ik erop had gezet verwijderd. Dat was eigenlijk een stuk handiger. Hij staat er nu dus maar 1 keer op.
I live in Bamberg County SC
The Town of Denmark.
5462 Capernaum Road.
I have a very old Oak Tree 21+inches around. I'm in my 60's My great Grand Mother
Said her mother said the tree was huge ever since she can remember.
How do I upload pictures to show you
My mail is email@example.com
Een foto van de boom in het geheel moet ik nog een keer maken vanaf de andere kant van de beek.
leider habe ich kein Foto aus der Ferne. Der Baum steht mitten im Bestand, die Spitze ist nur schlecht einsehbar. Ich habe eine Position gefunden mit Sicht zur Spitze und zur Basis. Ich bin mir aber nicht sicher, ob es auch tatsächlich die höchste Spitze ist. Ich glaube nämlich, die Linde ist noch höher. In der Laubfreien Zeit möchte ich da nochmal hin, zwecks Messung.
Du musst die Blattunterseiten anschauen. Bei Sommerlinde sind sie dicht behaart. Das kann man auch von gelben Blättern sehen, auch von gefallenen Blättern. Die Blattgröße ist kein zuverlässiges Merkmal.
danke für den Hinweis. Beim nächsten Besuch achte ich da mal genauer drauf. In der laubfreien Zeit, wenn der Stamm dann besser sichtbar ist, möchte ich da nochmal hin, um eine genauere Messung hinzubekommen. Blätter am Boden wird es ja dann noch geben.
Ik snap er niets van. Ik heb jarenlang foto's geüpload in verticale stand. Ineens lukt het niet meer. Ik heb deze foto 3 a 4 keer geüpload. Steeds weer is hij gedraaid. Ik heb de foto ook vanuit 2 camera's genomen. Geen idee hoe dat komt, geen idee hoe het op te lossen. Ik heb Tim gemailed .
Thought you might have seen this, but if not look below.
This appalling Forestry practice continues! This would not happen in the UK!
The tree is sadly doomed and will blow over in the next Pacific gale.
Trees such as these need the whole valley side to protect them.
Keep up the good work, Zeltins!
The original top has snapped a long time ago, but the tree is still almost 60 m tall. Otherwise the tree is, as far as I remember, in a good shape.
Still more than this tree, I liked neighbouring Olympic National Park. One of the greatest park I have hiked. A primeval wilderness with giant Douglas-firs, Sitka spruces and western redcedars, wild rivers and snow-capped mountains.
So you have been there and I advertised the park needlessly!
How could this tree have 2 different kind of leaves??
Wie kann dieser Baum 2 unterschiedliche Blätter haben???
Sorry no to be able to put this in German! In fact, someone else could probably put it more precisely in English, too.
ALL the brances in view belong to the tree
Thanks for adding this tree. From your photos I can see it is actually a Turkey Oak, and I assume it is the tree which was last measured by the late Hatton Gardner in 1985, when he noted a spread of 26m. I've just updated the record with these details.
It's very unusual for oaks to layer (produce roots from branches touching the ground). In fact I've never seen a native oak doing this. The masses of sprouts along the branches of this tree are also unusual, and are presumably what has helped it to layer.
Indeed officially Costa Rica is a part of Central America, not of South America. Webmaster Tim can change that.
The few trees I put at this website from Costa Rica have been reliable measured with laser technology by Bart Bouricius from the USA. He has measured many trees in Tropical Rainforests in Costa Rica, but also in Panama and Peru and probably some more Latin American countries. These three trees are the tallest of all trees and species he has measured till now in Latin America.
Regarding South America Bart Bouricius has measured trees of several species in Peru, he writes he as well as an other measurer have measured trees in that country up to 58 m (190 feet).
Of South America we know very few reliable measurements, in Chile recently Josh Kelly has measured Alerce, Fitzroya cupressoides up to 54.1 m (177 ft) (so less than often reported as above 60 m) and of southern beech, Nothofagus dombeyi up to 49.2 m. See at the NTS website: http://www.ents-bbs.org/viewforum.php?f=44
andhttp://www.ents-bbs.org/viewforum.php?f=93 for the Central American reports.
We would like to have measurements at Monumental Trees of South American trees, but till now very few people have sent reports of trees they measured at this continent to this website.
But note that Mr. Kelly writes: "I doubt this is where remnant alerce trees reach their maximum size. My guess is that, like Nothofagus dombeyi, they reach their largest size on deep volcanic soils with high precipitation" and then lists some promising sites. His report is here: http://www.ents-bbs.org/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=5176#p22550
From the kids in front I estimate it to be c. 12.5m high (perhaps more from perspective), and c. 22m across.
The branches grow down into the ground and emerge back up again larger!
ich habe es gleich abgeändert. Danke für den Hinweis.
The species Carya illinoinensis will be wrong, it is Carya cordiformis? Nuts I have not found yet.
For clarification for anyone who doesn't understand bbeduhn's comment 'it is not one of the "true" hickories', the hickory genus Carya is divided into two subgenera, the pecans (Cc. illinoinensis, cordiformis, aquatica, myristiciformis), and the true hickories (Cc. ovata, laciniosa, tomentosa, glabra, etc.).
I went there again yesterday. With an intensive search, I could still find nuts.
In this park there are no other hickory trees. The nuts confirm the species bitter nut (Carya cordiformis).
Heb je de boom ook op de standaardhoogte 1.30 meter gemeten? De aantaster is een tonderzwam. Beuken kunnen daar lang mee leven. Maak me meer zorgen over geboorde gaten om de verwonding heen. Mooie vondst deze boom.
Jij heb in het Haagse zuiderpark de gezaagdbladige eik opgevoerd gezaagdbladige eik (Quercus acutissima) '9021'. Je hebt er geen foto bijgeplaatst. Ik heb een paar keer gekeken of ik hem kon vinden. Tot nu toe heb ik één boom gevonden die in de buurt komt en het zou kunnen zijn. Ik zal de foto's plaatsen. Kun jij kijken of je denkt dat het klopt. Zo niet dan gooi ik de foto's er weer af. Ik ga binnenkort nog wel een keer contact zoeken met de beheerder, maar als dit iets oplost lijkt me dat vast meegenomen.
ich habe gerade die Eiche merfach neu vermessen und komme in 1,3 m Höhe auf einen Umfang von mindestens 7,90 m. Das korrespondiert aber leider nicht mit deiner letzten Messung in 2010. Wobei, wie öfter bei solchen Bäumen, Fußpunkt (wo?) und Maserknollen die Messung schwierig machten.
viele Grüße Frank
I hope you can read English, in German I make a lot of faults with the "Fälle".
Kouta and I together measured this tree (see on the photo) and we did it at around 1.30 m above ground level, but this can be done above the high point or at the medium ground level. I don't remember how we did it in this case. Also, I try to get the smallest possible girth at or below 1.30 m, you can call it the "waist" = "taille". Since May 2010 five growing seasons have passed, for an open grown oak this could be 10 to 15 cm growth at breast hight. That means still 16 to 21 cm difference between our measurements. Sometimes a hollow tree seems to grow very fast because of "bulging out" (sagging) of the trunk. That seems to be the case with the biggest girthed oak of Kvill in Sweden. But in this case I would not expect this with this rather sound trunk. So compared to you probably Kouta and I measured at a higher point or less over burls.
Kind regards, Jeroen
ich werde ev. bei Gelegenheit noch mal hin fahren und erneut möglichst defensiv (optimal) und mit verschiedenen Fußpunkten messen. Die offene Frage ist, ob man trotz Maserknollen das Maßband noch mölichst wagerecht führt und im "Höhen-Zickzack-Kurs".
In einigen Quellen werden für diesen Baum Umfänge von > 8 m genannt.
viele Grüße Frank
Jeroen, könntest du auf dies antworten.
Wenn ich versuche die kleinst mögliche Umfang auf Brusthöhe zu bekommen, führ ich das Maßband zwischen Maserknollen eventuell etwas im "Höhen-Zickzack-Kurs". Das ist besser als horizontal über die Maserknollen, wenn es ein kleinere Umfang gibt.
Viele Grüße, Jeroen
Needles: 8-13 mm; Pin: ~ 18 mm
What exactly is the difference between Tsuga heterophylla and Tsuga canadensis?
There are small, but reliable differences in the shape of the cones. Also T. canadensis has a more irregular crown shape, T. heterophylla is usually very strongly conical.
Above, T. canadensis; below, T. heterophylla
As this database is developing more and more into a podium where you can find all kinds of answers relating to pictures, growth, size and dispersion of all kinds of trees, in my opnion, there is a moment of realizing what we are doing and what our aims are.
Please don’t take it as an attack or offense. I saw that Karlheinz is very sincerely and thoroughly describing what we can see in the Kleve gardens in Germany. Karlheinz has an attitude inwhich he wants to be scientific and thorough.
I am wondering if that is what we should do here. If I take in account the detailed contributions of the Kleve gardens I soon stop scrollin
g the pictures. Off course that’s not a problem, but it poses the essential question of our focus or aim. What do we want? Scientific registration and documentation or something else?. Nice pics of trees that matter?. And do we want to influence laymen or other potentially interested people?.
I start thinking about a website where we can see the nice pictures or (on another place) view the scientific correct database about trees, what they are and where they are to be seen.
To be honest I would like to see both.
I would appreciate a site where you can see the champions per country, city or region. And in connection with that, I would like to go deeper and learn more about the characteristics of a special tree.
Is this a positive contribution? I hope so. It is intented so. I value the work of Tim. Next to that I think we have to help Tim in finding his way in accordance with the users and contributors of the site.
Crack your minds please and have a nice day.
If anyone wants to find out about the rest of our UK and Irish trees, I hope that they would be sufficiently interested to join the Tree Register and consult its online database. The same applies for the USA, New Zealand and several European countries. Conversely, if anyone has an interest in updating and adding to the data on the Tree Register, I would hope that they would liaise directly with myself as Registrar. (A few trees have gone onto Monumental Trees instead and I have to search this site to find them and transfer them onto the Register. So long as it's only a few, this is a comment, not a complaint!)
Perhaps the links to individual countries' national tree database could be displayed more prominently on the main page of Monumental Trees, so that people with special interests are redirected to these sites. If Monumental Trees is to act as a large-scale database in its own right, I think some redesigning would be needed, so that it's quicker to draw up lists of, for example, particular species in particular provinces or counties, and to order these in different ways.
That said, indeed, Owen, the "link" section http://www.monumentaltrees.com/en/content/links/ definately needs some updating (after which I could make it more prominent). I'm not sure who has edit rights there, but that page is editable, so feel free to add links to "official" tree registrers or databases anywhere in the world.
wir haben unterschiedliche Meinungen, welches Maß an Sorgfalt wir aufbringen sollten bei der Registrierung von Bäumen. Nach meiner Vorstellung soll die Baumdatenbank von MT nicht nur eine Plattform zur Präsentation eigener schöner Baumfotos sein, sondern wir wollen auch der Allgemeinheit eine verläßliche Informationsquelle bieten.
Wenn sich etwas als offensichtlich falsch herausstellt, sollte es erlaubt sein, das Problem anzusprechen und um Korrektur zu bitten. Ein Beispiel aus dem von dir angesprochenen Park in Kleve verdeutlicht, was ich meine:
Die Douglasie auf dem Foto hat nicht die Höhe und den Umfang des hier registrierten Baumes (ich habe gemessen: Umfang 3,04 m und Höhe 30,1 m), es muß also eine Verwechslung vorliegen. Das Baumschild auf dem zweiten Foto hängt nicht an diesem Baum, sondern an einer anderen Douglasie. In der Umgebung stehen mehrere Douglasien, einige auch erheblich höher (bis 38,80 m). Die registrierten Koordinaten sind ungenau und lassen eine Identifizierung des Baumes nicht zu. Bei solchen Ungereimtheiten macht es für nachfolgende User keine Freude, hier weitere Douglasien zu registrieren.
my English translation:
we have different opinions, what level of care we should apply for the registration of trees. In my idea the tree database of MT should not only be a platform to showcase our own beautiful tree photos, but we want to offer the public a reliable source of information.
If something obviously is found to be wrong, it should be allowed to address the issue and ask for correction. An example from the Kleve gardens, named by you, illustrates what I mean:
The Douglas fir in the photo does not have the height and the girth of the here registered tree (I measured girth 3.04 m and heigt 30.1 m), so there must be a confusion. The board on the second photo does not hang at this tree, but at another Douglas fir. In the surroundings there are several Douglas firs, some significantly higher (up to 38.80 m). The registered coordinates are inaccurate and do not allow an identification of the tree. With such inconsistencies it makes for following users no joy, to register more Douglas firs here.
I don't have any problem if you correct me. Be my guest if necessary, I also would like it if the information, of whatever kind, is correct.
Could the site be split, one part for scientific measurement, precise recording of location, photographing and ranking of significant trees (which also acts as a full record for these trees if they later happen to be lost or are felled) the other half for architectural trees for those who enjoy looking at the photographs and voting on composition. The two groups could then be happy.
I read you apparently register trees with an inaccurate location and assign pictures of other trees to it, likely just to have that particular photo or photos uploaded.
That of course is not what should be done. Instead of expecting others to correct it for you, it would be much better not to enter incorrect data, and to refrain yourself from uploading pictures if you don't remember exactly of which tree it was. I for example have quite a few photos of great trees (e.g. chestnut trees in Corsica, or baobab trees in Zambia) from my travels which I did not upload, because I cannot find back the exact location.
I'm sorry if my contribution makes people believe that I am starting a controversy or antagonism. Please disregard my remarks. i will refrain from this kind of discussions. Apparently it is not appreciated.
A replenishment to my earlier reaction. I have spoken to you earlier about the fact that I didn't upload some beautiful trees in Mexico, because I didn't have the right coördinates. Since a few years nobody can accuse me of not posing the right coördinates. I have had about 4 camera's with gps function. So please ferfrain of accusations please. That's pissing me off.
In my experience the Exif coordinates in the photos of cameras and smart phones are a great help, it avoids rough error of positioning, you always will hit the right park. But for the exact positioning of the tree within the park, it is not enough in most cases. Of course there are differences in quality of the GPS features of cameras and and also your handling is crucial.
This means that it is worth thinking how the data on a site like Monumentaltrees might be curated and kept safe and available into the future. A paper record is easily curated, and a robust database can probably be kept up-to-date as technologies change. But I suspect that digital image files might not be decipherable in 50 years time, and a pin on a Google map certainly won't be! I've been able to relocate nearly all the trees recorded in Britain 50 or 100 years ago, even though at that time they didn't have GPS, or camera phones, or even map grid references, so I don't think that putting the icon on exactly the right spot on a map is necessarily essential.
If recorders want to adopt Monumentaltrees as the place to store their records of German trees, you might in the longer term even have to think about creating a charitable Trust to curate the site's information.
As I'm a still a young man (currently 32 years old) I plan to be around for many decades to come. The site's content is kept safe not only by the site's hosting company, but I also often make backups on dvds.
If I would be run over by a truck tomorrow, the site would probably stay alive and be accessible for a long time, as long as my automatic yearly payments are done. The data on the dvds would still available for anyone interested. Anyone with an even limited IT background would be able to get the info back. But indeed, in the long term, I would have to think how to share with others. Maybe even make the entire content downloadable by other registers or something.
But Karlheinz has the most exact methods of all members of MT. We cannot expect from all members to work as exact as he does, while MT is not an Academic research institute with professional scientifical goals.
I do not claim for myself, to work using scientific methods and I do not expect that from other members. I will not make MT to an Academic research institute or something similar, I do not know who has put such thoughts into circulation. I am not saying that my measurements and records are error-free or that it would be the most accurate of all. I know and take into account the tolerances and limits of my own and by others commonly used measuring instruments and methods.
The point here is that a certain level of accuracy should be aimed and that there is the willingness to correct obvious errors. The stored data here must be traceable and verifiable for others. It must be allowed in MT, to report errors and to call for corrections, without one immediately be treated with subliminal hostility. A preservation of the status quo for the first registrator, or something as the right to sole ownership must not exist. An attitude "this is my tree, I have registered, keep out there!", I will not support. I have in mind that not only new trees are added, but also the database of the already registered trees will be maintained and updated (example: Wikipedia). If so I make unpopular myself with some members, I must live with. Should I have to recognize that MT developes in another direction, I see no future for me in MT.
You may have noticed I cannibalised the ATH records last winter when I was uploading a selection of the best UK trees so that they showed on this site. They should appear with 'Ancient Tree Hunt...' for the recorder's name but some of them may have my name still. As they weren't all trees I'd seen myself, there may be the odd misinterpretation in the location details, etc, and if you do spot anything like that, feel free to correct it.
I have downloaded Mozilla Firefox and what a difference on this particular site, I can now get the map to zoom in, it doesn't freeze. Recently downloaded Internet Explorer 9 but had more trouble than ever with it since I last had it and un-installed it to go back to IE 8. Firefix definitely more compatible with this site.
Bonjour , 'y a t'il pas d'autres solutions pour sauver cet if planté entre l'an 1000 et 1200 ? il est encore capable de vivre plusieurs siècles mais les experts disent qu'il peut représenter un danger , il y certainement d'autres solutions (cerclage étais etc )http://www.ouest-france.fr/lif-du-cimetiere-plus-que-millenaire-sera-abattu-2854054
ken jij deze boom? http://www.nieuwsblad.be/article/detail.aspx?articleid=B4303FHO
Ik heb hem toegevoegd als:
Hoewel ik daar jarenlang vlakbij op kot zat, heb ik deze nog nooit gezien.
sorry voor het late antwoord. nu pas gezien in mijn mailbox.
Ik ken hem niet! maar ik zet het op mijn to do lijst!
A big and old specimen of 'Elsbeere Baum'.
Do you make a little mistake in the name, Sorbus is good but you should change domestica by torminalis.
vielen Dank für den Hinweis. Ich habe es gleich abgeändert. Beim auswählen hat man leider immer nur den lateinischen Namen zur Auswahl, nicht den deutschen.
Diese Elsbeere gehört zu den dicksten und ältesten in Deutschland.
Danke und viele Grüße,
bin durch Zufall auf Ihre Seite gestoßen.Ich möchte zur Libanon Zeder mitteilen, daß nach meinen Unterlagen, Fotos und Bemerkungen auf den Rückseiten mein Ur-Urgroßvater Hofgärtner Johann Wilhelm Merle (geb. 13.05.1812, gest. 9.02.1879) gepflanzt wurde.
Sollte Interesse an Fotos oder Hinweisen bestehen, schreiben Sie mich an.
welcome. Please feel free to add this information to the tree's page yourself.
If you would need any help with that, please let me or someone else know.
Or what do you mean?
Hello Kouta, it wasn't and still isn't coming up for me on this page?
Thanks for letting me know.
Is this species now called Cupressus x leylandii 'Leighton Green'
Most of the rest will be 'Haggerston Grey' which is the clone now sold everywhere as 'Leylandii'.
This is another negative for the accuracy of climbs then, not being able to always see if you have the measure level with the apex tip of the tree.
Don't know if these links work but found the climb of this tree on the BBC i player from Wednesday 1st October on 'The One Show'.
What a spectacular valley and stand of trees, Owen I hate to say it but your photographs have not done the place justice! To see the distance views, aerial views. Your 46 metre Lime is featured plus your Norway Spruce and Larch. I was hoping that the part where Mr Talbot stretched his measure to the top may been on so that we could see and try to judge if it was level with the tip but the footage cut off before that. The valley looks quite sheltered but visually to me there looked to be more exposure than at the Waterloo Grove at Betws which has a high wooded bank directly behind giving shelter to west, south west and north west.
Could there be a taller Douglas Fir at Reelig? What are the chances?
Must try and visit Reelig Glen before I kick the bucket, definitely a place I would like a walk in.
Ik heb vandaag een acer rubrum geregistreerd. rode esdoorn (Acer rubrum) '19478' met een afmeting van 2,78 m op 0,90 cm is het een respectabele boom. Als ik de lijst van Acer rubrums zie blijkt deze boom niet serieus genomen te worden. De door mij gedane meting komt niet tevoorschijn en de boom telt kennelijk niet mee. Dit verbaast me. Het is zeker geen meerstammige boom. Hij vertakt op 90 cm maar dat betekent niet dat hij meerstammig is, waarom verschijnt hij dan niet in de normale lijstjes.? Erg onbevredigend.
Kun je eea verhelderen.?
Heeft Tim toch eerder uitgelegd: de bomen verschijnen pas na enige tijd in de lijstjes, waardoor het totale systeem minder traag is geworden. Jouw esdoorn zal binnen enkele dagen in de lijsten verschijnen.
Ok..Ik wacht gewoon af.
On Monumental Trees, the distinction can also be made by answering yes/no to 'does the tree have multiple stems'. But I have noticed that some recorders (eg Red Rob) are answering 'yes' to this in the case of trees that fork higher up in their crown (and where the fork doesn't affect the girth, except that the crown will be broader and might power faster growth).
The 2005 37 metre Abies Cephalonica the laser recorded as 39.6 metres but I didn't photograph that one as the other was taller.
vielen Dank für die schnelle Bestimmung.
Ich hätte mich also trauen sollen ;-) Das war auch mein Verdacht, war mir aber nicht sicher.
Though it's not clear in this photo, it grows in quite a steep, narrow valley, so that tree-crowns within 400m on almost all sides side rise above its tip. Once it's tip becomes exposed to the prevailing westerly wind, I suspect it will stop growing.
Would be nice if you also measured the CBH of such trees, as it gives an impression of the growth just like the heightmeasurement as well as of the total woodvolume.
- On the "Add tree" page, add a location in Gwynnedd
This is filling up the page until you can select "Add new location" and click 'Save' there.
Don't proceed as this would add a tree there, which you don't want to do.
After this, you have an empty location in Gwynnedd
- Go the page of tree on the old location and move it.
This is: going to "edit data of tree" and selecting your freshly created empty location.
It should appear in that list of choices.
Everything will be updated and the old location (now empty) will be removed from the lists.
you're adding very fine photographs of trees, which is great to see!
Welcome, and don't hesitate to ask if you have any questions.
A beautiful yewtree that is part of the remarkable repertoire of the Conseil General (C.A.U.E.), will disappear very soon. Before winter, from this yewtree, aged above a millennium, growing in the cemetery,there will nothing left but the memory and photos. The venerable tree has become dangerous.
A great disaster for the community. This yew, placed close to the tombstones, near to the church has seen many parishioners, year after year, strolling under its branches. What did happen to the tree? On august 19th, explains Pierre Pitrey, the mayor of Mongardon, a survey has been carried out by a company, specialized in arboriculture and city forestry. This yew tree shows very bad machanical defects on its stem and its rootcollar.
In simplified language: this yew tree is hollow and multiple cracks at and around the trunk threaten the direct environment of the tree. Verdict: He should be killed, for the security of people and property. The paperwork is being prepared for slaughter by professional pruners, as it will not be easy to cut this tree down. The veteran tree is located very close to the to the church and cemetery. This will be costly for the municipality, approximately € 3,500, between diagnosis and slaughter: and its beautiful foliage and trunk will end for disposal.
This is a tree with a circumference of more as 9 metres.
The yew , with and estimated age, between 1000 and 1200 he was honored in 2005 as a remarkable tree of Le Manche department, and listed as such by the C.A.U.E. Its circumference is 9 to 10 m, it has a height of 9 m and a crown of 11 m circumference. Its powerful trunk is leaning heavily, but seems stopped from falling by a tombstone, slipped under the bulge of the trunk, which seems to help keep the tree in balance.
The reaction of Les Tétars arboricols:http://lestetardsarboricoles.fr/wordpress/2014/09/26/lif-mongardon-en-sursis-manche/
This millenium old yew tree would become dangerous?! And the only solution would be to cut it down ?! I am totally appalled at how we condemn this ancestor which, I quote, " its beautiful foliage and trunk will end for disposal " ...
Call the city hall to try to influence this absurd and expeditious decision: 02 33 46 04 65
This is not Ch. lawsoniana. I think Conifers is spot on right with Ch. pisifera. A Lawson's cipres is not so open and transparent.
today I added new functionality:
- on the "all species" page and on the page of each separate species (example) there used to be non-clickable lists of its cultivars, varieties, subspecies, ... Now these links are clickable and counts are shown.
- added rudimentary variety pages on which you see some information (photos, ...)
- changed the display of subspecies, varieties, forma, cultivars, and cultivar groups per Conifer's suggestion
- allowed seeing cultivar/variety/... photo lists (e.g.photos of red beeches)
I hope this can already be helpful.
What still needs to be added:
- adding the possibilty to filter down to cultivar/variety/... on the location lists and record pages
- for some users: being able to edit the cultivar/variety/... information (e.g. change name, change type, remove, ...).
Thanks a lot I'll explore it immediately. At first sight you made more possible than I could have hoped for. I even could select the Querus petrea mespilifolia. Great job. !
I will first add the possibility to rename the cultivars/..., change their type, and to delete them (it is already possible for a long time to create them, and to assign trees and reassign these trees).
Once the missing functionality is there, I will give the possibility to a restricted number of users to collaborate, agree on standards and to tidy up the cultivar list. I will post it here once the site's up to it.
Bedankt voor deze nieuwe verbeteringen. Zou graag werken aan wegpoetsen (tik)fouten in namen als je dat toestaat. Zie eerdere mail over fouten in naamgeving Ulmus.
ik zal eerst zorgen dat het mogelijk is cultivars ed. te hernoemen, van type te wijzigen en te verwijderen.
Eens dat mogelijk is zal ik een beperkt aantal gebruikers rechten geven om deze functionaliteit te kunnen gebruiken en jij bent er één van gezien jouw Ulmusmail.
Ik laat iets weten wanneer ik zover ben.
Uit de veelheid van bomen heb ik er één gekozen om te meten. Op foto leek deze dezelfde als jij hebt opgemeten. Ik vond echter het verschil van 25 cm te veel en heb toen maar besloten een nieuwe op te voeren. Ik heb overigens de coördinaten aangepast. De strook bomen ligt ten noorden van de Ravensteinselaan en ze zijn op de kaart goed te onderscheiden omdat er twee paden doorheen lopen. Jij had ze ten zuiden van de Ravensteinselaan geplaatst.
nein, leider habe ich kein Foto von weiter weg. Man sieht diesen Baum auch nur recht schön von dieser Seite aus, von den anderen Seite her ist er von den Nachbarbäumen bedeckt.
I don't know what the convention and protocol is for naming trees but I think that this tree deserves more than being called '19364'. I also think that this is a superb stand of trees which were brought to light more fully and recorded with no fanfair in 2005. I think that credit is deserving and recognition. I don't know as said what the convention is, can the first person to measure a tree add a name, but I would like to give this tree a name and it will be the 'Owen Johnson Tree'.
Owen, if you are not happy with this just say but I think that you are very deserving of recognition.
Wow at least 6 trees over 60m! How long are the leaders of these trees Rob? Any noticeable wind damage from last winter?
I saw these trees in the dark with the car headlights and kick myself for running out of time to see them last year, will have to return soon. Looks like the weather will change next week so may hold off holiday there, until another anticyclone arrives to ensure good weather in Wales.
Will be at Europe's largest forestry show on Sat in the Midlands so may look at impulse lasers and the new model out and may or may not be tempted! Trouble is that would I have the time to use it? 10 years ago definitely would.
Six trees of 60 metres, the lot I bet are 60 metres if you could find windows in to measure them, the whole stand of probably nearing a hundred trees.
Many thanks for your sensible advice. Just a query if you purchase something from abroad, UK dealers are often rather awkward when it comes to service and repair? What do you think?
Will look and not touch and find out prices, with me I can offset against tax which is helpful.
Perhaps now I can return to Scotland as it remains now in UK! To measure big conifers!
Stephen, do you live in Oxford or further north? If you decide to get a laser, would you be near enough Belvoir Castle for a visit? I had hoped to visit but will not be getting right down there, at least this year? A 42 metre Quercus Robur was reported there, a 29 metre Yew and 32 metre Prunus Avium, the first two are probably exaggerated possibly not the latter but it would be good to see them and confirm?
My Nikon Forestry 550 is 5 years old now, very intensive used and not at all as careful handled by me, but still works fine. I have not heard from Kouta, Leo, Sisley, Nardo and many others that one of their Nikon laser instruments broke down till now. What I heard from long time users from the USA like Robert Leverett is also that their lasers work still after many years.
I was at the forestry show on Sat and tried out the Trupulse 200x. Impressed but very expensive £1700!!! Obviously Nikon far cheaper.
Rob I would say there are many places in the UK to find tall trees but mainly Scotland. Yes Ardverikie Estate in the Highlands has miles of tall trees big Noble/Grand Firs along Loch Laggan.
I think your 67m Douglas would be the tallest outside of its native range in the Northern Hemisphere at least, but there are taller trees in New Zealand apparently.
Wondered if it would be interesting in Monumental trees to rank which European Country has the greatest number of trees/species say over 60m? Presumably Scotland first, then Wales then Germany? There must be over a 100 trees at 60m in the UK by now.
I think Noble and White Fir Hemlock, Giant Sequoia will reach 60m in time.
I was looking at pictures of tall Douglas in Germany perhaps not as many as in Scotland and a climate not so good for growth, but what could be more important is average wind speed less which could mean trees there suffer from less damage from gales as the trees are not within the 'Atlantic Storm track.' Possibly grow taller?
Thinking about going to Wales this week, undecided!
Belvoir is about 200 miles away, bit too far. But I know a cherry in The Chilterns which could be a champ for height, possibly over 30m!
im 30-jährigen Krieg, 1643, standen schwedische Truppen vor den Toren von Weida. Die Stadt wurde dann schließlich von den Schweden zurückerobert. Die Eiche wurde dann 1644 von der Bevölkerung aus Dankbarkeit zur Schwedeneiche erklärt. So die Erzählung.
Can you place this information on the openingpage of this tree? I had the same question as Rayn did.
ich habe es ergänzt. Ich hätte aber auch einfach auf meine Eichenseite verweisen können ;-)
Welkom. Kan je de foto's rechtop zetten voor je ze upload?
Als je op de foto klikt en wacht op het +je (inzoomt) komt hij wel rechtop te staan.
Probeer de foto eens rechtop te zetten in Photoshop, Aperture of dergelijke en dan te uploaden.
Vreemd dat dit zo loopt. Wellicht dat je Tim kunt vragen ze ook gelijk bij het openen rechtop te zetten. Heb je trouwens een detailfoto van bebladerde twijg. Het lijkt wel een zilverlinde, maar ik zie liever een detailfoto voor ik meer zeg.
Je zegt linde, dan sluit ik me aan bij Maarten Windemuller en Conifers; dit is een zilverlinde, Tilia tomentosa. Pas je de naam aan, de boom is gedetermineerd.
Het stukje tekst over het meten is van mij. De laatste keer dat ik er aan het meten ben geweest was dit voorjaar samen met Corine van Dun, hoofdredacteur van Bomennieuws. Bomen op hellingen zijn lastig te meten, als je de methode hanteert van het centrum van de boom, waar de boom ooit ontkiemde of werd geplant, kom je bij heel dikke bomen op steile hellingen soms onder het hoogste punt rond de stam uit. Bij bomen op zo'n locatie is het aardig op verschillende hoogtes te meten. Wat je bedoelt met die hoogte van 6,10 m is me niet duidelijk.
Lees voor 6,10 svp 6,18. 6,10 zat onterecht in mijn hoofd, dat moest 6,18 zijn. Ik had een overzichtje meegenomen met maten zoals ze op MT staan. Maar als ik jouw verhaal lees dan zou je toch een omtrek van 6,46 m moeten registreren? Of is de eerder door jou beschreven meetrichtlijn niet zo algemeen? Ik hou me er in ieder geval zo goed mogelijk aan, maar aarzel om 6,38 aan te geven. (wat volgens mij een juistere meting dan 6,18 zou zijn). (Overigens verklaart dat nog niet het verschil met jouw meting van 6,46 m.)
Het blijft een benadering, zeker bij bomen met een breed uitlopende voet, zoals veel Sequoiadendrons.
Rob ever thought of purchasing one of those poles used in surveying so you can measure above the vegetation and add on accurately the remainder?
Meant to add about this tree and it's measurement, bought a new twin pack Lithium CR2 pack for this visit but after the initial measurement, changed to the new/spare battery to double check the reading in case of any battery drain on the first battery that I used or any fault. Same readings.
A very impressive stand of trees for that part of the country! It may be that the North Sea moderates the climate somewhat here? Although to a lesser degree than say the New Forest on the channel coast? Any Sitka there?
There is a Douglas just north of Henley, Oxon (close to me) which is almost as tall planted 1917 and still growing (on chalk!) Possibly tallest tree in Oxon if not Bucks and Berks.
There aren't any Sitkas at Weasenham Woods but at another of the Coke family's 19th century experiments in continuous-cover forestry, Fulmodeston Severals, there is a (youngish) plantation with trees to 37m. Again rather remarkable, as this tree really doesn't like it hot and dry.
I remember you mentioning the Douglas Fir near Henley before. I think there are a few of your records that have not yet found their way onto the Tree Register, for one reason or the other - this is one. It certainly sounds like the tallest tree in the Home Counties area - perhaps you would be able to add it to this site?
Of interest to tree growth and climate from the Met Office averages 1981-2010, (On climate section on Met Office site can't post hyper link here) shows average rainfall of 700-800mm for North Norfolk, slightly less than The Chilterns where I am, 800-1000mm over higher parts, hence growth of conifers is slightly better than other Home County areas. Also shows why conifer growth/productivity is some of the best in the cool temperate world in Wales and the North West UK.
Owen I am reluctant to submit tangent measurements due to their possible inaccuracies, which may or may not be correct, but would be I hope within + or - 2m. Until I get a laser?
Do you know the giant Sessile Oak near the Mezel Depot in Windsor Great Park next to the park junction? Mentioned in Alans book as 125ft x 20ft (magnificent as any) Probably the oldest oak I have encountered, because adjacent Sessile about 390-400 years based on a solid ring count! Will do report on this for monumental trees soon. It says avenue was planted in 1751!