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Hans Verbaandert, op 2014-11-26 01:29:52, zei:
Tweestammig, beide zijde zichtbaar

Conifers, op 2014-11-23 18:38:35, zei:
Podocarpus sp., perhaps P. salignus (though the leaves are a bit short for this)
wwhiteside97, op 2014-11-23 21:00:48, zei:
Thanks, yes I think P. Salignus leaves are too big, will upload a clearer picture..... Possibly nubigenus?
Conifers, op 2014-11-25 09:49:22, zei:
Doesn't look like P. nubigenus, which has shorter, stiffer, denser leaves. How large is the plant? If just a small, young plant it could well still be P. salignus, as when young (up to maybe 1-2m tall?) they do have shorter leaves like this.
wwhiteside97, op 2014-11-25 11:44:49, zei:
Hi, there are two trees both about 8 or 9 metres tall at the max...
Conifers, op 2014-11-25 23:17:41, zei:
OK! So some other Podocarpus . . . not easy!

xandru, op 2014-11-25 21:07:43, zei:
2012-06

The tallest tree in the world
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young, op 2014-11-25 15:43:03, gewijzigd op 2014-11-25 15:44:30, zei:
the tree is so cool that i wish i had it



Conifers, op 2014-11-23 18:39:58, gewijzigd op 2014-11-23 18:40:30, zei:
Abies forrestii or close relative.

Edit: Any cones near the top?

wwhiteside97, op 2014-11-23 18:43:24, zei:
There are a few cones on the ends of the top branches.
Conifers, op 2014-11-23 18:48:08, zei:
Can you get a pic, please! Also a pic of a shoot showing the underside would help. Thanks!
Conifers, op 2014-11-23 18:48:42, zei:
Oh, and the sharper the focus, the better ;-)
wwhiteside97, op 2014-11-23 19:18:47, zei:
I know!! :-) it was a bit windy when I was taking the picture!!
wwhiteside97, op 2014-11-23 22:28:11, zei:
From memory I can't remember the cones being as thick as A. Forrestii but I will upload a picture of them.

wwhiteside97, op 2014-11-23 14:19:37, zei:
It is a five needled pine.
Conifers, op 2014-11-23 18:32:56, zei:
Could be any of several - Pinus armandii, P. ayacahuite, P. monticola, P. strobiformis, P. stylesii, P. veitchii, P. wallichiana, or a hybrid (white pines are notorious for hybridising!). Needs a cone for determination. A close macro of a more vigorous young shoot (to see if glabrous or pubescent) would also help.
wwhiteside97, op 2014-11-23 18:46:58, zei:
Will upload a clearer picture soon, no cones yet as still a young tree... only about 8 - 10 metres.

Martin Tijdgat, op 2014-11-22 22:48:58, zei:
This looks to be a Abies koreana

Greetings, Martin Tijdgat


wwhiteside97, op 2014-11-22 23:39:16, zei:
Hello, thanks for this, I wasn't sure as the cones were at the very top of the tree.

Conifers, op 2014-11-23 00:27:51, zei:
Not quite right for Abies koreana, looks more like Abies ◊ arnoldiana (hybrid between Abies koreana and Abies veitchii) to me.

Martin Tijdgat, op 2014-11-23 00:51:42, zei:
Conifers,

Thanks, that is a new one for me. How do you keep A. Koreana and A. X arnoldiana apart?


Conifers, op 2014-11-23 18:46:21, zei:
The hybrid is of course intermediate between the parents. Leaf length / width ratio (A. koreana has shorter, broader needles, A. veitchii longer, slenderer needles), and the degree of white below (A. koreana more vivid white often covering the full width of the underside, A. veitchii less vivid white and usually in two bands with the green midrib showing easily) are the best features to look for.


Conifers, op 2014-11-23 18:34:12, zei:
Sawara Cypress Chamaecyparis pisifera

Martin Tijdgat, op 2014-11-23 12:28:37, zei:
Love this kind off fotograph. It shows the strenght of this tree and the use ( by children?). Thanks! Martin Tijdgat
wwhiteside97, op 2014-11-23 13:27:21, zei:
Hi, yes it is a popular tree for children and for family photos too.

Conifers, op 2014-11-23 00:23:34, zei:
A cultivar of Lawson's Cypress Chamaecyparis lawsoniana
wwhiteside97, op 2014-11-23 01:10:10, zei:
Thanks,

You wouldn't know which one? It's been annoying me for a while now.

Martin Tijdgat, op 2014-11-23 09:12:04, zei:
This can be the slow growing cv. 'Columnaris'. Is known when this tree was planted?
wwhiteside97, op 2014-11-23 10:20:12, zei:
No known planting date, although there is a picture of it from 15-20 years ago and it hasn't grown too much since then.
Martin Tijdgat, op 2014-11-23 12:35:58, zei:
Looking at the other Lawson's cypresses in this park it is a full matured tree. I would say it is no longer a tree off undetermined species, but a Chamaecyparis lawsoniana 'Columnaris'

Martin Tijdgat, op 2014-11-22 22:43:05, zei:
Marc,

Wat een mooie foto, kleur, bastpatroon en een toefje groen; alles klopt.

Marc Meyer, op 2014-11-23 09:43:35, zei:
Bedankt Martin!

Groetjes

Marc


GregorSamsa, op 2014-11-22 00:42:37, zei:
The person is approximately 1.80m tall.

Die Person ist ca. 1,80m groŖ.

Alberto Cuervo Flores, op 2014-11-22 10:44:53, zei:
I think it is "Populus Alba"
Conifers, op 2014-11-23 00:21:35, zei:
Agree, Populus alba

They set fire on one of the best oaks in Europe!
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Jeroen Pater, op 2014-11-19 08:25:38, gewijzigd op 2014-11-19 08:32:54, zei:
I just got the news today from my friend Krzysztof Borkowski from Poland that Chrobry oak has set on fire:

http://kontakt24.tvn24.pl/dab-chrobry-w-ogniu-milionowe-straty,149851.html

I hope it will survive, but the pictures look very bad.

It is very sad news. The Chrobry oak is one of the most impressive oak trees in Europe. Why are people doing this!?

Regards,

Jeroen


Jeroen Philippona, op 2014-11-19 23:51:47, gewijzigd op 2014-11-19 23:52:57, zei:
Indeed very sad and incredible that people do this. This is indeed one of the most impressive oaks I have ever visited.

Jeroen Philippona


Stephen Verge, op 2014-11-20 08:13:10, zei:
I'm afraid I'm in despair with the human race!

The heat involved is likely to have cooked the sapwood and cambium layer, I am not hopeful it will survive. The Sherwood Oak in Nottinghamshire was also set on fire in the past, but it has survived.


Jeroen Philippona, op 2014-11-20 20:15:47, gewijzigd op 2014-11-20 21:58:34, zei:
Jeroen Pater and I visited this oak at a day in November 1999. At the same day we also visited the oak Napoleon in Zabor, somewhat more to the north-east, wich had a girth of even 10.45 m and was the biggest circumferenced oak of Poland at that time. It was also hollow and a few years later this oak also was set on fire. It survived, but the burning was repeated after a few years and the oak died.

The biggest girthed tree of the Netherlands, a hollow Sweet Chestnut (see Kastanjedal ) also was set on fire several times, the last time in 2005 and till now has survived.

So I hope Chrobry will stay alive as well.

Jeroen


Rainer Lippert, op 2014-11-20 21:12:06, zei:
Hallo,

die Eiche in Hornoldendorf (AuŖenmauer des Ritterguts) wurde vor zwei Jahren auch in Brand gesetzt. Letztes Jahr hat es noch so ausgesehen, als ob sie es wohl nicht Łberlebt. In diesem Jahr, als ich dort war, hat sich wieder recht viel grŁn gezeigt. Und zwar an ństen, die noch 2013 kahl waren. Sie scheint sich also zu erholen. Vielleicht schafft es ja diese Eiche hier auch so wie die in Hornoldendorf. Hoffen wir also mal.

Viele GrŁŖe,

Rainer


KoutaR, op 2014-11-20 22:57:55, zei:
This may be a good reason not to publish record tree locations (though trees like the oak in question cannot be kept secret).

Jeroen Pater, op 2014-11-21 06:29:22, zei:
I don't think keeping trees a secret is a good idea. They give Chrobry a value of 4.300000 (I think) zlotty. That is a lot of money. If the Chrobry oak is that expensive, why did they not put smoke and heat detectors inside.

I think a better solution is to some how close the gabs of a hollow tree, so nothing that can burn can get in. It won't work with all hollow trees, but I think it will work with a lot of them. I think is is very hard to burn a tree that has a trunk with no gabs.

Jeroen


Stephen Verge, op 2014-11-21 07:47:16, zei:
Hello All

Yes Kouta I agree

Sadly keeping champion trees secret from the public is the only way to protect them from vandalism. But in this case the tree was so well known it was impossible. As I have said before, in the UK there are many rare plants, where location details are kept deliberately vague to ensure protection.

The recent climbing damage to the 66m Douglas fir in Scotland (not deliberate vandalism) I feel is a wake up call not to give exact location details for champion trees and giving the 'wider' general public this information is a risk to them. But recording and uploading them is perfectly acceptable on MT.

I hope those responsible are caught and prosecuted!

Lets hope the tree survives


Jeroen Philippona, op 2014-11-22 00:27:45, zei:
Indeed this tree was to famous to hide it from the public. But, the other very big oak in Poland, called Napoleon at Zabor, was not well known, in fact it was a rather secret tree standing at a lonely place to be found only by insiders along a small sand road. It was set on fire very probable by local young boys and I suppose this also was the case with the Chrobry oak, like with the "Kabouterboom", the big Sweet Chestnut in Holland.

So I think most of these hollow old trees are more at risk from local young people than from people from elsewere.

Jeroen


Andrew Weber, op 2014-11-22 13:13:13, gewijzigd op 2014-11-22 13:27:23, zei:
Moreover, in Poland many big trees, especially oaks, were set on fire, not only the biggest. I have seen in 2014 a few oaks with girth ranging from 6,5 to 8 metres that also suffered an arson and they usually grew in remote places.. So the largest trees should be preserved rather by fence, because cameras could be stolen indeed.. And it is a matter of local government that trees are conserved or 'unwanted', like here, Chrześcijanin (the Christian) Oak in Poland: straat.

All in all, I hope that miracle will happen and Chrobry will survive, but it is horrible that someone wants to destroy peaceful monumental trees..

Best regards,

Andrew



RedRob, op 2014-11-21 18:09:18, zei:
The 42.5 metre Lime is superb, love the shape. The Chestnut almost looks like it is a weeping one. Any other tall trees here Owen, Sycamore, Sweet Chestnut, anything?

Have you been around here Stephen?


TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, op 2014-11-21 21:23:18, zei:
No. The only old (and tall) trees in the park here are the limes and sweet chestnuts. Common Lime also exceeds 40m nearby at Althorp and Castle Ashby parks - it likes the Jurassic limestone.

Stephen Verge, op 2014-11-22 11:22:24, zei:
Hi Rob

No I have not visited here, about 70 miles North of me. Most of the locations I know are from Oxon southwards.

There are also some big Limes near me too.



Stephen Verge, op 2014-11-13 08:02:59, zei:
Hello Owen

Wow! This one escaped me on MT. I have been here several times and yes quite remarkable that trees of this size can be as big here as in Scotland or Wales, with only 900mm of rain! This tree may surpass the Douglas in Broadwood, Dunster?

Obviously the deeply weathered sandy brown earth soil type derived from the Lower Greensand has been a factor. A pity Southern England was not covered in Greensand as opposed to horrible chalk. There is something magical about this soil which I am interested in finding out about. Here in Oxon, Nuneham Courtenay also on Greensand grows big conifers with only 600mm of rain.

Big Western Hemlock too at Polecat.

I noticed the Sequoia had probably been hit by lightning above the cottage, presume this is the one Alan measured as 170' in his book? An overestimate perhaps?

Kind regards

Stephen


TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, op 2014-11-15 18:12:28, zei:
Greensand is indeed the best soil in south-east England for tree-growth, and so many good tree sites are concentrated on it despite the tiny proportion of the country which it covers. I think the secret is that the grains are coarse enough to allow easy root-penetration but fine enough to be water-retentive. Soils washed down the from the Old Red Sandstone (Welsh Marches etc) and from ancient Scottish sandstone have just the same qualities. So, presumably, do loess soils in the Netherlands where trees can also grow very tall (without the benefits of much side-shelter from high hills as we have in England). Chalk is also much better than heavy clay, which covers so much of lowland England.

I have no idea how tall the Polecat Copse trees will grow. They are in a superbly sheltered spot and the two tallest have continued to produce long leaders through the 14 years I've known them, though they've lost their leaders once or twice and some others in the same line now have rough, bushy tops (but are still growing). Given the right soil, and shelter from dehydrating winds, Douglas don't seem to be troubled by drought or high summer temperatures. I don't know the local conditions for the 65m tree in the Massif Central of France but I would assume that summers there are hotter and drier than in Surrey.

That said, I suspect drought-stress rather than lightning for the loss of the top of the Giant Sequoia opposite Angle Cottage. Lightning would have been more likely to strike the higher tree-tops of the bank to the west. In 1995 we had a very dry summer near my home in Hastings and many of the taller Giant Sequoias died back a few metres (and have now recovered but rounded off).


Stephen Verge, op 2014-11-16 09:46:03, zei:
Hello Owen

Thanks. Yes I think the secret with Lower Greensand is the ability for trees to extract soil water much more easily due to the pores and matrix of the soil, coupled with a moderately acid ph and reasonable fertility. On a clay soil water holding capacity is obviously greater, but trees cannot extract it as well as on say Greensand due to the pores and soil matrix unfavorable for tree root growth and penetration. Subsequent capillary action of soil water through the soil is much better on Greensand. As it is a soft sandstone is must have weathered deeply as well. It also probably has no root depth restriction caused by an iron pan, which is frequent on acid sandy soils.

Ulmus and Quercus robur as an opposite example seems to love surface water gleys on clay vales.

It appears to me that Giant Sequoia much prefers sandy soils and the Bagshot Sand near my locality at Crowthorne and also at the Valley Gardens Near Windsor as you know grow big trees, despite only 600mm of rain, some 300mm less than at Polecat. Also Giant Sequoia and Douglas are adapted to grow on sandy well drained soils in their native habitat so it is no surprise.

The tree at Angle Cottage lost many metres due to crown dieback which I think is most likely lightning. Yes I have also seen Giant Sequoia die back due to drought, but I know that when lightning strikes Sequoias it often rarely leaves a scar on the trunk, possibly due to the insulation properties of the bark, however it sometimes does and I have seen trees blown apart in the most extreme examples. I know that Beech rarely leaves a scar and yet oak is badly affected. A difficult question and needs more research.

I know that the Massif Central is the wettest place in France with up to 2000mm, but one has to remember that with higher temperatures the evapotranspiration and summer soil moisture defict would be greater than at Polecat, so perhaps only the available rainfall/soil water there will be only slightly greater?

Windspeed is much less in Surrey than in Somerset, so perhaps they will grow to 60m+ at Polecat.

Regards

Stephen


Conifers, op 2014-11-16 10:00:51, zei:
"Giant Sequoia ... and I have seen trees blown apart in the most extreme examples"

Seehttp://www.pinetum.org/lightning.htm for an example!


Stephen Verge, op 2014-11-16 10:08:21, zei:
Thanks Conifers

BANG!!! Wow that is an example, I have seen oak trees like this also.


RedRob, op 2014-11-17 18:22:13, gewijzigd op 2014-11-17 18:23:52, zei:
Only visited this location once, 2011 and wish that I had had the laser then. Thank you for registering this Owen, it needed to be on here.

http://www.redwoodworld.co.uk/picturepages/haslemere.htm

Is the Sequoiadendron near the cottage, here called 'King Kong' still likely to be 51 metres which you measured, assessed it as a few years ago or will it have added some height? I remember looking at this tree from angles and it would have been difficult to see the top and bottom to measure it. The Coast Redwood in the photo above is one at the top of the hill near the old big house but there is a taller one I am sure, immediately on the hillside above the 51 metre 'King Kong' Seqy. I took photos on an old mobile phone and have not been able to get the photos off it as don't have Bluetooth on my laptop. They would be 1.5MP photos so may not be that great. Anyway, this Coast Redwood looked pretty tall, slim and surely 40 metres plus. There is/was also a conifer plantation just the west of the 59 metre Douglas Fir grove, if I remember Larch and Spruce, Sitka snd Norway, which looked pretty tall.


TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, op 2014-11-18 19:48:11, zei:
Near Angle Cottage at Polecat Copse, the Sequoiadendron that died back around 2005 was the taller but slenderer of a pair. I had measured it at 48m in 2000 but may have underestimated - Alan's 170' c.1990 was presumably a bit too high. The fatter tree beside it (the one in 'Redwood World' has preserved its tip and had grown to 51m by 2011, but I can't guarantee how accurate this was either. I shall return with the laser in due course.

RedRob, op 2014-11-21 18:16:54, zei:
I was taken with how red the trunks were of the Douglas at Polecat, Sequoiadendron colour if not even more red, due to the drier air according to Owen.

Are the 44 metre Larches still there at the location in Surrey Owen?


TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, op 2014-11-21 21:18:42, zei:
I think 44m was Alan Mitchell's top height for the larches at Hascombe Hill in the 1980s. I visited in 2000 when I think I made one 43m. I plan to revisit sometime soon.


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