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Conifers, op 2014-11-23 18:39:58, gewijzigd op 2014-11-23 18:40:30, zei:
Abies forrestii or close relative.

Edit: Any cones near the top?

wwhiteside97, op 2014-11-23 18:43:24, zei:
There are a few cones on the ends of the top branches.
Conifers, op 2014-11-23 18:48:08, zei:
Can you get a pic, please! Also a pic of a shoot showing the underside would help. Thanks!
Conifers, op 2014-11-23 18:48:42, zei:
Oh, and the sharper the focus, the better ;-)
wwhiteside97, op 2014-11-23 19:18:47, zei:
I know!! :-) it was a bit windy when I was taking the picture!!
wwhiteside97, op 2014-11-23 22:28:11, zei:
From memory I can't remember the cones being as thick as A. Forrestii but I will upload a picture of them.

Conifers, op 2014-11-23 18:38:35, zei:
Podocarpus sp., perhaps P. salignus (though the leaves are a bit short for this)
wwhiteside97, op 2014-11-23 21:00:48, zei:
Thanks, yes I think P. Salignus leaves are too big, will upload a clearer picture..... Possibly nubigenus?

Conifers, op 2014-11-23 18:34:52, zei:
Norway Spruce Picea abies
wwhiteside97, op 2014-11-23 19:32:29, zei:
I will upload a clearer picture of both cone and shoot but the bottom side of the shoot is very noticeably white (which made me think it wasn't Norway spruce).... will upload a picture of the underside.

wwhiteside97, op 2014-11-23 14:19:37, zei:
It is a five needled pine.
Conifers, op 2014-11-23 18:32:56, zei:
Could be any of several - Pinus armandii, P. ayacahuite, P. monticola, P. strobiformis, P. stylesii, P. veitchii, P. wallichiana, or a hybrid (white pines are notorious for hybridising!). Needs a cone for determination. A close macro of a more vigorous young shoot (to see if glabrous or pubescent) would also help.
wwhiteside97, op 2014-11-23 18:46:58, zei:
Will upload a clearer picture soon, no cones yet as still a young tree... only about 8 - 10 metres.

Martin Tijdgat, op 2014-11-22 22:48:58, zei:
This looks to be a Abies koreana

Greetings, Martin Tijdgat


wwhiteside97, op 2014-11-22 23:39:16, zei:
Hello, thanks for this, I wasn't sure as the cones were at the very top of the tree.

Conifers, op 2014-11-23 00:27:51, zei:
Not quite right for Abies koreana, looks more like Abies ◊ arnoldiana (hybrid between Abies koreana and Abies veitchii) to me.

Martin Tijdgat, op 2014-11-23 00:51:42, zei:
Conifers,

Thanks, that is a new one for me. How do you keep A. Koreana and A. X arnoldiana apart?


Conifers, op 2014-11-23 18:46:21, zei:
The hybrid is of course intermediate between the parents. Leaf length / width ratio (A. koreana has shorter, broader needles, A. veitchii longer, slenderer needles), and the degree of white below (A. koreana more vivid white often covering the full width of the underside, A. veitchii less vivid white and usually in two bands with the green midrib showing easily) are the best features to look for.


Conifers, op 2014-11-23 18:35:36, gewijzigd op 2014-11-23 18:36:41, zei:
Lawson's Cypress again (maybe cultivar 'Erecta')


Conifers, op 2014-11-23 18:34:12, zei:
Sawara Cypress Chamaecyparis pisifera

Martin Tijdgat, op 2014-11-23 12:28:37, zei:
Love this kind off fotograph. It shows the strenght of this tree and the use ( by children?). Thanks! Martin Tijdgat
wwhiteside97, op 2014-11-23 13:27:21, zei:
Hi, yes it is a popular tree for children and for family photos too.

Conifers, op 2014-11-23 00:23:34, zei:
A cultivar of Lawson's Cypress Chamaecyparis lawsoniana
wwhiteside97, op 2014-11-23 01:10:10, zei:
Thanks,

You wouldn't know which one? It's been annoying me for a while now.

Martin Tijdgat, op 2014-11-23 09:12:04, zei:
This can be the slow growing cv. 'Columnaris'. Is known when this tree was planted?
wwhiteside97, op 2014-11-23 10:20:12, zei:
No known planting date, although there is a picture of it from 15-20 years ago and it hasn't grown too much since then.
Martin Tijdgat, op 2014-11-23 12:35:58, zei:
Looking at the other Lawson's cypresses in this park it is a full matured tree. I would say it is no longer a tree off undetermined species, but a Chamaecyparis lawsoniana 'Columnaris'

Martin Tijdgat, op 2014-11-22 22:43:05, zei:
Marc,

Wat een mooie foto, kleur, bastpatroon en een toefje groen; alles klopt.

Marc Meyer, op 2014-11-23 09:43:35, zei:
Bedankt Martin!

Groetjes

Marc


Conifers, op 2014-11-23 00:24:58, zei:
Nikko Fir Abies homolepis

GregorSamsa, op 2014-11-22 00:42:37, zei:
The person is approximately 1.80m tall.

Die Person ist ca. 1,80m groŖ.

Alberto Cuervo Flores, op 2014-11-22 10:44:53, zei:
I think it is "Populus Alba"
Conifers, op 2014-11-23 00:21:35, zei:
Agree, Populus alba

They set fire on one of the best oaks in Europe!
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Jeroen Pater, op 2014-11-19 08:25:38, gewijzigd op 2014-11-19 08:32:54, zei:
I just got the news today from my friend Krzysztof Borkowski from Poland that Chrobry oak has set on fire:

http://kontakt24.tvn24.pl/dab-chrobry-w-ogniu-milionowe-straty,149851.html

I hope it will survive, but the pictures look very bad.

It is very sad news. The Chrobry oak is one of the most impressive oak trees in Europe. Why are people doing this!?

Regards,

Jeroen


Jeroen Philippona, op 2014-11-19 23:51:47, gewijzigd op 2014-11-19 23:52:57, zei:
Indeed very sad and incredible that people do this. This is indeed one of the most impressive oaks I have ever visited.

Jeroen Philippona


Stephen Verge, op 2014-11-20 08:13:10, zei:
I'm afraid I'm in despair with the human race!

The heat involved is likely to have cooked the sapwood and cambium layer, I am not hopeful it will survive. The Sherwood Oak in Nottinghamshire was also set on fire in the past, but it has survived.


Jeroen Philippona, op 2014-11-20 20:15:47, gewijzigd op 2014-11-20 21:58:34, zei:
Jeroen Pater and I visited this oak at a day in November 1999. At the same day we also visited the oak Napoleon in Zabor, somewhat more to the north-east, wich had a girth of even 10.45 m and was the biggest circumferenced oak of Poland at that time. It was also hollow and a few years later this oak also was set on fire. It survived, but the burning was repeated after a few years and the oak died.

The biggest girthed tree of the Netherlands, a hollow Sweet Chestnut (see Kastanjedal ) also was set on fire several times, the last time in 2005 and till now has survived.

So I hope Chrobry will stay alive as well.

Jeroen


Rainer Lippert, op 2014-11-20 21:12:06, zei:
Hallo,

die Eiche in Hornoldendorf (AuŖenmauer des Ritterguts) wurde vor zwei Jahren auch in Brand gesetzt. Letztes Jahr hat es noch so ausgesehen, als ob sie es wohl nicht Łberlebt. In diesem Jahr, als ich dort war, hat sich wieder recht viel grŁn gezeigt. Und zwar an ństen, die noch 2013 kahl waren. Sie scheint sich also zu erholen. Vielleicht schafft es ja diese Eiche hier auch so wie die in Hornoldendorf. Hoffen wir also mal.

Viele GrŁŖe,

Rainer


KoutaR, op 2014-11-20 22:57:55, zei:
This may be a good reason not to publish record tree locations (though trees like the oak in question cannot be kept secret).

Jeroen Pater, op 2014-11-21 06:29:22, zei:
I don't think keeping trees a secret is a good idea. They give Chrobry a value of 4.300000 (I think) zlotty. That is a lot of money. If the Chrobry oak is that expensive, why did they not put smoke and heat detectors inside.

I think a better solution is to some how close the gabs of a hollow tree, so nothing that can burn can get in. It won't work with all hollow trees, but I think it will work with a lot of them. I think is is very hard to burn a tree that has a trunk with no gabs.

Jeroen


Stephen Verge, op 2014-11-21 07:47:16, zei:
Hello All

Yes Kouta I agree

Sadly keeping champion trees secret from the public is the only way to protect them from vandalism. But in this case the tree was so well known it was impossible. As I have said before, in the UK there are many rare plants, where location details are kept deliberately vague to ensure protection.

The recent climbing damage to the 66m Douglas fir in Scotland (not deliberate vandalism) I feel is a wake up call not to give exact location details for champion trees and giving the 'wider' general public this information is a risk to them. But recording and uploading them is perfectly acceptable on MT.

I hope those responsible are caught and prosecuted!

Lets hope the tree survives


Jeroen Philippona, op 2014-11-22 00:27:45, zei:
Indeed this tree was to famous to hide it from the public. But, the other very big oak in Poland, called Napoleon at Zabor, was not well known, in fact it was a rather secret tree standing at a lonely place to be found only by insiders along a small sand road. It was set on fire very probable by local young boys and I suppose this also was the case with the Chrobry oak, like with the "Kabouterboom", the big Sweet Chestnut in Holland.

So I think most of these hollow old trees are more at risk from local young people than from people from elsewere.

Jeroen


Andrew Weber, op 2014-11-22 13:13:13, gewijzigd op 2014-11-22 13:27:23, zei:
Moreover, in Poland many big trees, especially oaks, were set on fire, not only the biggest. I have seen in 2014 a few oaks with girth ranging from 6,5 to 8 metres that also suffered an arson and they usually grew in remote places.. So the largest trees should be preserved rather by fence, because cameras could be stolen indeed.. And it is a matter of local government that trees are conserved or 'unwanted', like here, Chrześcijanin (the Christian) Oak in Poland: straat.

All in all, I hope that miracle will happen and Chrobry will survive, but it is horrible that someone wants to destroy peaceful monumental trees..

Best regards,

Andrew



RedRob, op 2014-11-21 18:09:18, zei:
The 42.5 metre Lime is superb, love the shape. The Chestnut almost looks like it is a weeping one. Any other tall trees here Owen, Sycamore, Sweet Chestnut, anything?

Have you been around here Stephen?


TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, op 2014-11-21 21:23:18, zei:
No. The only old (and tall) trees in the park here are the limes and sweet chestnuts. Common Lime also exceeds 40m nearby at Althorp and Castle Ashby parks - it likes the Jurassic limestone.

Stephen Verge, op 2014-11-22 11:22:24, zei:
Hi Rob

No I have not visited here, about 70 miles North of me. Most of the locations I know are from Oxon southwards.

There are also some big Limes near me too.



stoneleighabbey, op 2014-11-22 09:52:11, zei:
Beautiful Oak at Stoneleigh Abbey over 1000 years old

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