Hello all
Today I was at the Botanical Garden in Vienna and I found a species called "Balkan-Ahorn or Acer hyrcanum".
Is this a, at MT unknown species, or a wellknown second or old name?
Any ideas?
I read about in Wikipedia, that is a tree which is 2m high or a shrub.
But that one in Vienna is a tree which has 3-4m girth and is 25 m high!!!
liebe Grüße
Scholem
Hi Scholem,
apparently it is not very clear.
I would suggest that you would add the "new" species here:http://www.monumentaltrees.com/de/edit/3130/
Then MT will know about the species, and you would be able to register a tree of that kind.
If in the future, this would appear to be another species, I can always rename the species or merge it with another one.
Kind regards,
Tim
Thank You
Big Problem, no german pages
Hello Tim
Today I found out, that many pages are not available in german. Many of the Recordtrees are full of big informations in ENGLISH, but if I go to the "read in german"-Link there is only a line with:
Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_VARIABLE in /customers/0/1/c/monumentaltrees.com/httpd.www/lang/country/hrv-de.php on line 3
or similar stuff.
All of the trees of György Posfal (more than 1000 trees), but also the biggest tree of europe
http://www.monumentaltrees.com/en/hrv/adriatic/dubrovnikneretva/4245_arboretum/
and some others are crushed in the same way.
liebe Grüße
Scholem
Hi Scholem,
thanks for letting me know. It was caused by a typo, affecting trees in Hungary viewed in the German version.
I fixed this.
Kind regards,
Tim
Hello Tim
Thanks, Yes this works, but the hungarians do not.
lg Scholem
Een goede Nederlandstalige naam is Japanse schijniep.
Hallo Leo,
het programma geeft "zelf" Nederlandse namen aan een boom. Althans zo lijkt het voor mij. In werkelijkheid voert Tim (?) die waarschijnlijk in. Volgens mij kan ik dat niet. Ik heb in ieder geval de naam in de kop veranderd. "Oudste zelkova buiten Japan" heb ik weggehaald en zal dat in de tekst verwerken.
klopt, alleen Tim kan NL namen invoeren en wijzigen.
Ja idd, ik krijg een automatische mail van de website telkens iemand een nieuwe boomsoort registreert.
Dan voeg ik de namen toe in een resem talen van zodra ik 5 minuutjes tijd heb. Ik heb al menige Nederlandstalige namen "uitgevonden", naar analogie met de Duitse of de Franse benaming.
Ik wil de naam gerust veranderen Leo. Verander ik dan ook Zelkova carpinifolia in Kaukasische schijniep?
Groeten,
Tim
ja, graag.
Volgens mij is het wegpoetsen van de naam Zelkova nou ook weer niet de bedoeling. Of wel ?
vergeet mijn laatste bericht. Ik zie dat eea is hersteld.
Hi Karlheinz and Kouta,
Congratulations with the finding of these extreme tall beeches, even a heightrecord for native broadleaved trees, although we have to go back with a good team (you two, Sisley, Michael Spraggon and I) to some of the French forests for Sessile oak! Are those two trees outstanding in the forest or are there more beeches as tall? I would like to see more information on the location as a whole, the soil, inclination, climate, history, etc. Also I hope you will send the information and photos about 'Kleinengelein' also to MT.
By the way: how did you know about these extreme tall beechforest? Are there more very tall beechforests in this part of Germany?
With your findings the earlier reports of beech of 50 to 52 m tall in several countries are not so strange anymore. The tallest measurement I have seen for beech was 54 m in Romania. Not anymore so unreachable than we thought till recently!
Jeroen
I agree with Jeroen. Exciting to see that discoveries are still being made!
Kind regards,
Tim
Thank you Jeroen & Tim for congratulations and Karlheinz for finding this super grove!
The whole grove is full of extremely tall beeches. As they already had leaves, we were able to measure only a few of them. We must do a new trip next spring. The grove is small, only perhaps 300-500 m long and the tallest trees are confined to the very bottom of the valley. The strangest thing is that it appears to be a normal managed forest! Though the tallest tree is so thick that it has likely been "protected" by the foresters. Some good sized trees had just been felled and ashes been planted. The place must have some exceptional qualities (think how thin is the 47.2-metre tree!).
It is a west-east positioned valley at an elevation of 200 m. The soil is likely fertile brown earth formed from loess. Annual rainfall is 700-800 mm. We don't know much about the place, but Karlheinz has contacted foresters, the town mayor and local press. We hope he gets more information.
Karlheinz found the grove by chance but according to the information, he has got, it was already known that the beeches are exceptionally tall, although they haven't likely been measured accurately. If there are other super-groves nearby, we don't know.
Kouta
Thanks for this datas about beeches trees !
In a few years, I believed that the beeches reach only to 40 m or just a little more and now we found specimens around 50 m.
As Jeroen says, it's not impossible that we measure a day, specimens over 50 m and now I ask me what is the maximum for this species.
Recently, many records was found for many species, it's good for our data base and the global searching.
I am fairly sure the potential height maximum for European beech is over 50 m. Another question is, if there are over-50-metre beeches left nowadays. Think how little there are natural forests in the lowland beech forest area in Europe! And the best and most fertile sites are almost exclusively under agriculture or at least commercial forestry.
After receiving further information, particularly from the district forester, I have now completed a description of the location at the German language page.
Measurements on other trees of this location are indicated! It is not excluded that there are taller beeches in this grove. The 50 m mark is to crack!
Karlheinz
Congratulations Kouta and Karlheinz on finding and measuring these trees, amazingly slim trunks on some of them for such tall trees. Is this area pretty sheltered and not prone to consistant winds? I cannot imagine trees of this height with such slim trunks surviving very long over here in Blighty, we just seem to be having none stop winds these days, every day. Is your 49.3 metres to the very tip of the leading shoot of the Beech, could you see the top of the crown and the very leading shoot? I have found the whippy, thin leading shoot tips of Beech very difficult to hit with the laser (Nikon Forestry Pro)I am using and have given up on some trees, recording a reading slightly lower down banker reading where the laser beam can hit the denser crown.
Rob,
The beeches grow on a valley bottom, so they are sheltered from wind, though the valley is not deep. The height is as close to the tip as possible; if not to the VERY tip, then at least very near.
Kouta
Hi,
may I remind the users that there is a rather new option on the settings page to choose the layout of the site: normal or wide. The last one can be useful on wide screens as more images are shown on one page, tables are wider, etc.
I see only Rainer has changed his setting. Maybe the width is okay for the other users, or maybe this possibility is not known well.
Kind regards,
Tim
Dank voor de boodschap. Ik ga het even een tijdje proberen. Ziet er goed uit.
Hallo Han,
der Baum wurde bereits vor einiger Zeit angelegt, siehe hier: http://www.monumentaltrees.com/de/deu/nordrheinwestfalen/wesel/4715_golfclubsweselerwald/
Die Koordinaten sind allerdings etwas unterschiedlich, ich bin mir aber recht sicher, dass ''meine'' Position stimmt. Ist allerdings schon zwei Jahre her bei mir.
Viele Grüße,
Rainer
Sh.. Rainer
Das hätte ich nicht gesehen! Ich habe den Baum besucht nar Anleiting von das Buch "unsere 500 ältesten Baume" und nicht gesehen das Du schon den Baum besucht hast. Es tut mir Leid. Ich hoffe das Tim die beide Beiträgen zusammen fässt.
Grüsse Han
Hallo Han,
ist ja kein Problem. Tim wird die beiden Seiten bestimmt zusammenlegen, wenn du ihn kontaktierst.
Viele Grüße,
Rainer
Measuring reports and descriptions
Hi all,
Many users write tree and location descriptions (the text between heading and measurements) as measuring reports. However, there is now a place to write reports or "stories" but it looks like almost nobody has used it. I too just used it for the first time.
I propose that the description should be only description with stand details, climate etc., not personal trip accounts. If the description is a measuring report and another user likes to write his own report, the text becomes very long. Instead use the report feature and place a link to it to the description text.
Here is my measuring report on the new record beech:
http://www.monumentaltrees.com/en/report/772/
Here is the page for the grove:
http://www.monumentaltrees.com/en/deu/hesse/mainkinzig/6246_burgronneburg/
Note that the text in this page include only facts, not personal stories. Note also, that there is a link to the measuring report, which includes the personal things. If another user visits the grove, he may add new facts to the description and add a new link to his personal story.
Comments, please! Do you agree?
Kouta
I agree, the logic is clear and this approach makes sense.
As far as I know reports are accessible only via the user name, so they are rarely read.
But adding a link to the report in any "additional information" data field, it will be found.
Yes,
It makes sence indeed to write the facts at the page of the tree and the more subjective experiences in a separate report to wich is linked from the tree-page.
But the German report of Karlheinz of the same location is also very good and has some subjective remarks. I do not mind so much about these.
I asked Tim to create this possibility of separate reports, but myself I did not use it till now. The disadvantage is that they are only to be found from the specimen page of a tree and only in one language version. It should better be automatically linked from the specimen pages in all languages.
The distinction between a more objective specimen page and a report page with room for more subjective experiences makes sence only when this starts to be the rule. Best would it be when this is written at the link to the different type of locations. At the moment especially new users often do not see many possibilities of the website. For example a new user recently started to write reports in German below one of the photographs of each tree. I copied those reports to the specimen pages of these trees.
Jeroen
> The disadvantage is that they are only to be found from the specimen page of a tree
The only way to the report as I know is via the photographer's name and a further click on reports. Because reports are so rare, I usually did not test this path.
> It should better be automatically linked from the specimen pages in all languages.
Since the opportunity to write a personal report is only rarely used, this is a good solution. A strict separation between languages is not required, an interesting report should be linked even if it is written in another language. Often it is worth to change the data fields "Additional information" to the regional language, these data fields usually are not direct translations but often have different contents.
> But the German report of Karlheinz of the same location is also very good and has some subjecive remarks
But it is provided that in this data field each user can edit my text. I think now, subjective remarks would be better placed under "Reports" where no one else can change.
Karlheinz
I agree that trip reports should not be on a tree's description page or location page. The "story" possibility can be used for that. I will make those pages more accessible in the future to make them more prominent. I think I will rename "story" to "trip report" or simply "report".
This functionality can definitely be used already. I will also make it possible to add other content in a "story", like photos, videos, ... Now you can only add links.
Commenting on the report of somebody else can be done (like with any other page) by clicking on the "Comment" button in the upper right corner - the one that has a text balloon icon (in which a number will appear in the future, showing the number of comments on a page).
Thanks,
Tim
De juist naam is Pinus nigra var. nigra. J.F. Arnold is de auteur, en hoeft hier niet te worden vermeld.
Ik heb het gewijzigd. Ik voegde het J. F. Arnold toe omdat MT automatisch de naam zwarte den opvoerde, terwijl een uitgave van de hortus spreekt over Oostenrijkse den. Desalniettemin; het is veranderd.
het is idd een oostenrijkse den, var nigra of subspec. nigra. Ook hierover is weer debate. In MT is voor het gemak alleen de soort P. nigra vermeld met de NL naam zwarte den.
Inderdaad, de website laat momenteel enkel een "language label" oftewel een vertaalde naam toe per soort, niet per ondersoort/cultivar/variëteit. Het gebeurt wel eens dat een specifieke ondersoort een bepaalde gebruikelijke naam heeft, zoals hier de "Oostenrijkse den", die feitelijk een zwarde den is.
Je zal het voorlopig met "zwarte den" subsp. nigra moeten doen.
Groeten,
Tim
How can I get a Sequoia tree to plant on Kaua'i, I am currently living in Texas and plan on moving back to Hawaii when I retire (9 mos). I think it's our duty as sons and daughters to beautify our islands of Hawaii with these beautiful trees. I only see these type of trees down south Texas and California.
Thank You
Ray
There are Coast Redwoods (
Sequoia sempervirens) planted on Maui, Hawaii (see e.g.
here), it should be possible to find seedlings there. If you are looking for Giant Sequoia (
Sequoiadendron giganteum), that won't grow well in the Hawaii climate.
Hi,
it is indeed apparently possible as some are doing it.
You have probably seen this:
Kind regards,
Tim
Hi Tom,
you said earlier:
There must be a glitch in the matrix...yesterday I added a new measurement to this oak:
http://www.monumentaltrees.com/en/lux/luxembourg/saeul/5847_leftofthemainroadonthenorthernedgeof/11531/
but it shows Scholem Alechem as the author of the new measurement. Not that it would be very important to me, but I think it is better for the webmaster to know about problems and find a solution early on then waiting till the feces hits the rotating object on the ceiling.
Cheers
Tom
I see on that page that there are two measurements for that tree, one from 2001 assigned to you and one from 2013 assigned to Scholem. Can you confirm that you also added the second one (the one from 2013) - meaning you added both measurements?
Kind regards,
Tim
Hulloes Tim,
Yep, I added both measurements, not that it is very important. I only thought that it might be better that you know about the IT problems before they get out of hand!
Kind regards!
tom
For Your information, I didnot make some measurements of any trees, I dont register.
lg Scholem
Hi,
I'm glad to report that this bug is solved. I understand how this comes, could reproduce it, and created a solution for it so it cannot occur anymore in the future.
I'm actually even more glad to say that no information was lost in the past. The correct measurer was also logged (in this case Arlesbaam) but was not shown on the site due to a "ghost entry" in the database. I'll leave the details out, but it had nothing to do with concurrent users.
This particular situation occurred 8 times more in the database, and all were fixed. No information lost!
Kind regards,
Tim
