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WiPe, op 2014-09-26 19:54:41, gewijzigd op 2014-09-26 19:55:45, zei:
Something we could never imagine has been written down in an article in the newspaper Ouest France of septembre 24thhttp://www.ouest-france.fr/lif-du-cimetiere-plus-que-millenaire-sera-abattu-2854054

A beautiful yewtree that is part of the remarkable repertoire of the Conseil General (C.A.U.E.), will disappear very soon. Before winter, from this yewtree, aged above a millennium, growing in the cemetery,there will nothing left but the memory and photos. The venerable tree has become dangerous.

A great disaster for the community. This yew, placed close to the tombstones, near to the church has seen many parishioners, year after year, strolling under its branches. What did happen to the tree? On august 19th, explains Pierre Pitrey, the mayor of Mongardon, a survey has been carried out by a company, specialized in arboriculture and city forestry. This yew tree shows very bad machanical defects on its stem and its rootcollar.

In simplified language: this yew tree is hollow and multiple cracks at and around the trunk threaten the direct environment of the tree. Verdict: He should be killed, for the security of people and property. The paperwork is being prepared for slaughter by professional pruners, as it will not be easy to cut this tree down. The veteran tree is located very close to the to the church and cemetery. This will be costly for the municipality, approximately Ä 3,500, between diagnosis and slaughter: and its beautiful foliage and trunk will end for disposal.

This is a tree with a circumference of more as 9 metres.

The yew , with and estimated age, between 1000 and 1200 he was honored in 2005 as a remarkable tree of Le Manche department, and listed as such by the C.A.U.E. Its circumference is 9 to 10 m, it has a height of 9 m and a crown of 11 m circumference. Its powerful trunk is leaning heavily, but seems stopped from falling by a tombstone, slipped under the bulge of the trunk, which seems to help keep the tree in balance.

The reaction of Les Tťtars arboricols:http://lestetardsarboricoles.fr/wordpress/2014/09/26/lif-mongardon-en-sursis-manche/

This millenium old yew tree would become dangerous?! And the only solution would be to cut it down ?! I am totally appalled at how we condemn this ancestor which, I quote, " its beautiful foliage and trunk will end for disposal " ...

Call the city hall to try to influence this absurd and expeditious decision: 02 33 46 04 65

Tim, op 2014-09-27 17:22:19, zei:
It is indeed sad that during the course of many centuries, only one action of single human is necessary to end a tree's life.
WiPe, op 2014-09-27 17:56:12, zei:
we are really not that far yet. I have the idea that people in France are ready to fighth for this tree.
Wim Brinkerink, op 2014-09-27 18:28:31, zei:
So I have made my statement on the site where French people can read it. I think that's more productive than ststing opinions among us..
TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, op 2014-09-29 19:11:00, zei:
I shall forward this conversation to Tim Hills, who runs the website www.ancient-yew.org and who has years of experience in campaigning to protect ancient yews when they get condemned by ignorant consultants. He may want to offer his help to a campaign to save this tree, if he's not already aware of the threat to it.

Wim Brinkerink, op 2014-08-02 13:29:16, zei:
Als je deze foto uit 2014 vergelijkt met die uit 2012 van Jeroen Philiponna en 2010 van Leo Goudzwaard, zie je dat er een flinke tak uit de kruin is gebroken. Volgens de pachter van de boerderij ernaast is dat in het voorjaar van 2014 gebeurd. Een deel ligt naast de boom. Het lijkt me dat dat niet het gehele uitgebroken deel is.
WiPe, op 2014-08-04 18:24:23, zei:
Dat takken uitbreken is op zich geen probleem. Integendeel zelfs, het hoort bij de normale groei van de boom. Doordat takken uitbreken kan de boom zich verjongen, geraakt hij van het overgewicht in de kruin af en kan hij hol worden, waardoor hij minder zwaar en sterker wordt.

j1g2a3n4d5e6r, op 2014-07-28 15:43:02, zei:
This church and the yew tree are in the county of Sussex not Surrey. I wish you would amend your records as the facts are incorrect

WiPe, op 2014-07-28 17:30:15, gewijzigd op 2014-07-29 09:11:12, zei:
It appears to me that this record is correct. Can it be possible that you have been confusing Crowhurst, Surrey St. Georges' church and Crowhurst, East Sussex parish churchyard?

j1g2a3n4d5e6r, op 2014-07-29 16:16:14, zei:
I do apologise for my error. Having recently visited the parish church in Crowhurst East Sussex & seen the magnificent oak tree I though that was the one you were referring to. I am amazed that there are 2 churches & villages with the same names & such old oak trees. Once again I am sorry if I have caused confusion but many thanks for your prompt reply.

Jean



Bess, op 2014-06-19 06:24:40, zei:
Ik denk dat de boom nu wel makkelijker meetÖ Ik denk dat de 'takjes' iets te dicht bij het poortje kwamenÖ .
WiPe, op 2014-06-27 06:52:57, zei:
Ik begrijp niet goed waarom dat snoeien eigenlijk nodig was. Als het om het poortje ging, zou je dat toch gewoon kunnen scheren? Taxus laat zich met name zeer goed in vorm scheren.

Bess, op 2014-06-13 15:11:56, zei:
Per toeval gevonden op de weg naar Aulnay-les-bois.
WiPe, op 2014-06-13 19:00:41, zei:
Mooie vondst, deze had ik nog niet in mijn lijstje. Altijd leuk om een nieuwe locatie van alweer een Taxus te vinden.

Ik heb de naam van de kerk toegevoegd. Ik hoop dat je dat niet erg vindt.

Bess, op 2014-06-14 00:09:31, zei:
we hadden de kerk niet eens opgemerkt. :-p Vijf tellen later vielen hagelbollen uit de lucht. Bedankt voor de aanvulling.

Jeremy01, op 2014-01-26 22:57:27, zei:
Dear Colleagues

I write to update you on the latest developments concerning the felling of one of Britainís most important heritage trees. The tree was a 187 year old cedar of Lebanon known as The Duke of Wellington Cedar, and it was felled by one of our most respected institutions, The National Trust (http://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/).

I accept that Britain is far from home for many of you, so please press delete now if you are not interested. However, if you would like to see more, then view a video here which provides some more background and shows one of the trees being felled:

I visited the property while the felling was under way and recorded a video that can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BypBkilAHcI&feature=youtu.be.

Additionally, in order to provide a more factual, balanced and technically credible perspective, I have prepared and published a briefing note that can be accessed at http://www.barrelltreecare.co.uk/pdfs/BTC88-BriefingNote-Complete-080114.pdf.

You can read more about on this blog:

http://helengazeley.typepad.co.uk/gardenwriter/2014/01/wellingtons-tree-kingston-lacy-national-trust-jeremy-barrell.html

You can also see the National Trust response and public comments at:

http://www.ntsouthwest.co.uk/2014/01/duke-of-wellingtons-tree-at-kingston-lacy/

For those of us concerned with protecting heritage trees, what is of interest in this case is how we have managed to utilize modern media through the video and YouTube to organize the substantial support necessary to give us a credible platform to complain about the behaviour of a very big organisation. The National Trust is a 4 million strong member organisation and one of the biggest landowners in Europe, so it does not readily listen to lone voices. However, through this video and the voting mechanism that allows Ďlikesí and Ďdislikesí to be recorded, we have generated nearly 5,000 hits so far, which is uneard of in Britain.

We have used this mandate to write to The Trust with a view to preventing future losses of these irreplaceable living heritage assets. It remains to be seen how successful this will be, but it would be great if you could lend your support by viewing and voting on the video.

Thank you for taking the time to read this and I hope that you will be able join me in giving heritage trees a voice. You can keep up to date with events as they unfold through my Facebook page at https://www.facebook.com/pages/Heritage-Tree-Management/573985506028429.

Many thanks

Jeremy Barrell


Jeroen Philippona, op 2014-01-26 23:37:15, zei:
Hi Jeremy,

We had already remarked the felling of these Cedars, see:http://www.monumentaltrees.com/nl/overleg/115#-23935 (start was in Dutch). Actually that was because of your action on Youtube.

Also the trees were already with photos on this website.

There are some English men very active at this website, among who Owen Johnson of the Tree Register of the British Isles and several Dutch and Flemish guys have visited the UK often and put information and photos of trees at this website.

I was at Kingston Lacy in July last summer and am very dissapointent these great trees have been cut now. My wife and I rested some time under the Duke of Wellington Cedar and never had the feeling this was a risky tree.

Also it is very distrusting that the National Trust has done this, it seems to give a precedent for many landowners to cut trees wich could give some risk.

Very good you have started this action and I hope it will get a lot of attention and awareness of the people as well as the National Trust and other landowners. Did you get responce from official organisations wich deal with the conservation of trees and landscapes?

I asked Owen Johnson and David Alderman of the Tree Register by E-mail about their opinion on the felling of the Cedars, but till now they did not respond.

I wish you a lot of success with your battle for a better preservation of monumental and heritage trees!

Best regards,

Jeroen Philippona

Contact person of the Dutch "Bomenstichting" (Tree Foundation of the Netherlands).


Jeremy01, op 2014-01-27 08:40:48, zei:
Good morning Jeroen

Thank you for your quick response. I was not sure if you knew that the tree had been felled, especially as you had such good photogrpahs on your website of it.

The video has now had nearly 5,000 views and we are trying to use this support to engage with The National Trust to see if we can get it to agree a more appropriate management approach to other important trees it owns, but it is not responding at the moment. We will continue to try, and I will keep you updated on pgoress, but in the meantime, the more people that view the video and support it, the stronger our argument to The Trust that is should take notice.

Thank you for your support and for the great work you are doing with your website.

Jeremy


Han van Meegeren, op 2014-01-27 17:26:59, zei:
Hi Jeremy

Keep up the good work. It's a shame they did put down a tree like this one.

If you can't trust the National Trust?

Greetings from Holland, Han van Meegeren


WiPe, op 2014-01-31 19:19:07, zei:
What about the Arboricultural Assosiation? What is their opinion in this act?

Jeremy01, op 2014-02-02 10:30:20, zei:
Han & WiPe

Thank you for your support. The Dutch have been very interested in this tree, which is great to see. Regarding organisations taking a lead in complaining to the National Trust, it is always more difficult for them to speak out because they need the support of their members and not all will be in agreement with my position. It seems that individuals need to lead the way and hopefully any support that we can gather will draw in wider support from organisations. It should also be remembered that the National Trust do very good work generally, but something clearly went wrong in this case. I have written to the Director General and Chairman, and we need to see if there is a positive response. This tree is now lost, and our focus now needs to be on making sure other great trees are not lost in the same way. I think we can do it, but it will take time and support from around the world. So thank you all for your support and we will keep working on this.

Jeremy



Conifers, op 2014-01-12 20:32:04, zei:
Frost damage?
Wim Brinkerink, op 2014-01-12 21:29:04, gewijzigd op 2014-01-13 12:52:09, zei:
No They restored a Crucious garden and moved this tree to another place.

Creating the Crucius garden was subsidized and they had to realize it in specific time. That why they couldn't make any preparations and had to transplace the tree too early. To keep it alive they had to lop it.

Wim Brinkerink, op 2014-01-12 21:30:26, zei:
If you see the old google image you see that it is in the middle of the new Crucious garden, It is now on the edge.
Wim Brinkerink, op 2014-01-13 12:14:59, zei:
More precisely; the Hortus got a a big subsidy. If you're subsidized you usually have to realize your project in quite a short period of time. That happened here. Therefore the Hortus was not able to anticipate on translocating and preparing the tree. They moved it without having made any precautions.
Conifers, op 2014-01-13 20:53:13, zei:
Thanks!
WiPe, op 2014-01-17 08:31:58, gewijzigd op 2014-01-17 18:27:23, zei:
Even when there is no time to prepare, this kind of pruning is not necessary when the work is done properly. If you would ever be able to read the book of William Barron (1850), you would find out that in those days it was possible to move such a yew tree without the need of hard pruning.

When I look at the photo, I get the idea that the area provided for the roots is rather small. I have no idea what space is provided under the graveln but the soil that I can see is even rather small for a rootball during transplantation.


RedRob, op 2013-12-02 18:11:31, zei:
http://www.treecouncil.ie/heritagetrees/1229.htm

This corresponds with the big Chinese Fir, great speciman, never seen one remotely near this size. What will be the potential tallest height in the UK?


Conifers, op 2013-12-02 20:45:11, zei:
Actually a Cunninghamia, not a fir (Abies). There used to be one at Bicton in Devon 30m tall, but I recollect reading it's no longer there.

TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, op 2013-12-02 22:35:38, zei:
The Mount Usher tree slightly exceeds a number of good ones in the old gardens of Devon and Cornwall. This is a conifer from well south in China, so it likes a warm but humid growing season, and not too much winter frost. We cannot really match these conditions in Britain or Ireland, so it is always going to be a bit of a disappointment besides its redwood allies.

WiPe, op 2013-12-03 08:47:01, zei:
In Belgium, the largest Cunninghamia lanceolata grows in Beisbroek park,near Brugge. According to the inventarisation of the Belgian dendrological society, the trees has a heigth of 23 m and a girth of 233 cm. http://www.dendrologie.be/bdb.php?p=200&page=&alpha=&taxus=Cunninghamia+lanceolata&location=&keyword=


Image loading faster
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Tim, op 2013-11-14 09:51:58, zei:
Hi,

today I made the loading of the image pages faster.

Individual photos (the pages with the rating on and other image details) should now load faster, which should make it more fun to browse through the photos.

Kind regards,

Tim


TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, op 2013-11-15 19:14:48, zei:
This has made a real difference in the time it takes to upload photos - thanks.

I have found that the site crashes most frequently when I have recorded a new tree at a new site and, instead of getting the new site's webpage, I get a '404' error message: 'The requested URL was not found on this server'. I don't know if this is an issue that can be fixed, or if it is a communications failure with Google Maps. The only way around this I can find is to press the 'go back' button, enter the tree again, and then I get the new site's webpage showing the same tree entered twice with successive identification numbers (I then delete one of these). I am sorry if this technical English is not easy to understand!

If anyone can suggest an easier way of escaping the crash, I'd be interested to hear.

Owen


Tim, op 2013-11-16 10:27:44, zei:
Hi Owen,

this sounds like an easy error to fix. I tried to reproduce the error by registering a new tree at a new site, but "sadly" everything went fine.

If you would encounter this again, could you be so kind to send me the url of the 404 page and the location where you were trying to add a tree? I prefer technical English :) - the more details, the better - as often most of my time is spent trying to find out what somebody meant with "adding the tree didn't work", instead of fixing it and making sure it cannot happen again. Urls are the best way.

Kind regards,

Tim


WiPe, op 2013-11-17 19:05:02, gewijzigd op 2013-11-17 19:13:15, zei:
Tim,

I had this problem before. I tried to register a new tree and got the same error

404 Not Found

The requested URL /nl/fra/querqueville/7644_eglisenotredameetchapellesaintgermain/ was not found on this server.

the URL is

http://www.monumentaltrees.com/nl/fra/querqueville/7644_eglisenotredameetchapellesaintgermain/

Regards

Wim


Henk Eshuis, op 2013-11-17 20:45:47, zei:
Hi Tim

I also have the same problem when adding a new place here. When I got the not found error, the tree added is visible on the recent changes page. I used to go there, click the tree just added at a new place and then continue adding measurements and photos. When adding a second tree, so without creating a new place, there is no problem.

Cheers,

Henk


Tim, op 2013-11-18 09:15:25, zei:
Thanks for the detailed messages. I'll try to look at this still this week.

Kind regards,

Tim



Need help to identify
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jamesjzob, op 2013-10-27 03:10:29, zei:
I have a cross (not ordinary) but made from some short of branch that was given to me over 20 years ago. I was told that this was made from a rare tree grown only in Switzerland...how can I find out if this is the truth

Conifers, op 2013-10-27 11:21:03, zei:
There are no trees that occur only in Switzerland, as very similar habitats with no barriers to plant colonisation are also found in the Alps in France, Italy, Austria, etc.

Perhaps the most likely tree is Pinus cembra.


WiPe, op 2013-10-27 15:47:39, zei:
Determination of wood can be done in a xylarium likt the one in Tervuren (Belgium)http://www.africamuseum.be/collections/browsecollections/naturalsciences/earth/xylarium or the wood database CWAR in Madison, Wisconsinhttp://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/search/madw_displaycollection_details.php?madw_id=1395&mime_counter=0

You can also browse their collections and compare the wood of your cross with the images on this sites.



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