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WiPe, op 2015-05-16 15:27:25, zei:
Hello Baumsucher,

how did you mesure this tree? According to the list, the tree has been mesured at 1,30 m. As this is a double stemmed tree, which of the two stems did you mesure?

I have the idea that 2,78 m at 1,30 m is rather much for this tree.

Baumsucher, op 2015-05-16 17:03:28, zei:
Hello Wipe,

the tree has a sum of all the diameter of 278cm.

No. 1 has 138 cm and stem 2 has 140cm, together 278 cm Total Length of the tree.

Karlheinz, op 2015-05-22 08:08:44, zei:
Hallo Baumsucher,

bitte schau mal nach im Menü unter "Mehr" / "Baum-Umfang messen". Dort findest du die Regeln, wie wir hier messen. Diese sind nicht immer identisch mit den Messregeln der Forstwirtschaft. Als Beispiel findest du dort eine Skizze, die genau deinen Fall abbildet. Demnach nehmen wir als Stammumfang weder die Summe noch den Mittelwert beider Stämme, sondern den Umfang des größeren Stammes.

Auch wird bei Hanglage nicht vom höchsten Erdbodenkontakt aus gemessen, sondern vom Schnittpunkt der Stammachse mit der ursprünglichen Geländeoberfläche (vermuteter Keimpunkt/Pflanzpunkt).

Leider wird nicht überall nach diesen Regeln gemessen. Daher können die Werte aus verschiedenen Baumdatenbanken voneinander abweichen.



Conifers, op 2015-03-14 22:22:17, zei:
That's sad. Any cones at the top that you could collect?
wwhiteside97, op 2015-03-14 22:30:56, zei:
Hi, yes there are plenty, I'm going to collect some tomorrow.
Conifers, op 2015-03-14 22:47:24, zei:
Probably mostly empty of seed now, unfortunately. I'd be interested to know the length of the longest you can find (and might like it sent to me for my study collection, please!).
wwhiteside97, op 2015-03-14 22:50:41, zei:
Thankfully seen a few that still had some seed in them. I'll have a good look round for the largest cones for you.
Conifers, op 2015-03-14 23:10:12, zei:
Many thanks!
WiPe, op 2015-04-05 12:36:43, gewijzigd op 2015-04-05 14:37:53, zei:
If there is enough space to keep this tree lying on the ground, it is still possible to keep it growing. I would consider to keep it. There is enough experience at the ancient tree forum to help you to deal with the technical aspects of keeping this tree.

wwhiteside97, op 2015-04-05 20:32:34, zei:
Doubtful... Would be great if we could but many of the main roots are broken and in one case the breaking of one of the roots has partly severed the bottom of the trunk.
Martin Tijdgat, op 2015-04-11 11:10:15, zei:

As we all know trees do surprise us. Even fallen trees do live for decades in some occasions. There is a fallen Catalpa at Soestdijk palace gardens spared and still living! In Wertheim parks, Amsterdam there are a group of elms horizontally hanging over water!

This tree formes no danger to it's surroundings or the visitors of this park. Why not wait and see what happens?

Greetings, Martin

wwhiteside97, op 2015-04-11 22:08:47, zei:
Hello Martin, I don't think the Forest Service are going to do anything just yet anyway. However I think for now they are just going to cut up the large branches which are broken.

Twan van Bijsterveldt 2, op 2015-04-02 16:34:35, zei:
Deze Beuk is op 31 maart 2015 omgewaaid. De boom was aangetast door de Korsthoutskoolzwam Kretzschmaria deusta.
WiPe, op 2015-04-05 12:28:14, zei:
Kretzschmaria deustta is niet direct een wortelaantaster, voor zover mij bekend. Zou het kunnen dat de boom ook aangetast was door Meripulus giganteus, reuzenzwam?
Twan van Bijsterveldt 2, op 2015-04-05 13:54:44, zei:
Hallo WiPe.

Het zou zo maar kunnen dat er de reuzenzwam er ook in zit maar die ben ik niet tegen gekomen. Ik zag duidelijk de anamorfen en de demarcatiezones van de kosthoutskoolzwam. Ook wil ik nog even zeggen dat 90% van de wortels nog in de grond zitten. Dat deze boom alleen maar in de stam is afgebroken wat niet helemaal te zien is op de foto.

WiPe, op 2015-04-05 14:03:14, gewijzigd op 2015-04-05 14:05:26, zei:
Reuzenzwam tast de wortels en de stamvoet aan. Dat de boom afbreekt vlak boven de wortels sluit niet uit dat er reuzenzwam in de boom zit. Wat ik van de standplaats kan zien, geeft og meer het vermoeden dat er reuzenzwam in het spel is.

Martin Tijdgat, op 2015-01-27 06:34:03, zei:
Hai Mich,

Welkom op MT. Kan je deze foto iets bewerken (helderder maken) en in de goede positie opnieuw uploaden?

Veel plezier met vinden, meten, fotograferen en toevoegen monumentale bomen.

Groet, Martin

WiPe, op 2015-01-27 19:59:06, zei:
Vorig jaar is de grond onder de boom gefreesd om daar Rhodo's te planten. Het lijkt er op dat de Ginkgo daar last van ondervindt.
Wim Brinkerink, op 2015-01-29 13:51:14, zei:
Dit is zo'n geval waar ik eerder over berichtte. In Windows 8.1. plaatst de verkenner de foto's automatisch verticaal.! Om hem in de juiste positie te krijgen, moet je de foto eerst met een fotobewerkingsprogramma roteren en opnieuw laden. Pas dan wordt die in de juiste stand zichtbaar.
mich1995, op 2015-02-07 15:17:06, gewijzigd op 2015-02-07 15:17:18, zei:
Helaas krijg de foto niet in de juiste positie.

Mvg Mich

Wim Brinkerink, op 2015-02-08 16:17:31, zei:
Hi Mich, Je kunt met een goed fotoprogramma te foto's eerst 90graden draaien en ze daarna uploaden. Hier heb je een voorbeeld van een dergelijk programma.; Het is veilig. Wel even opletten bij het installeren dat je custom installeert en vinkjes uitzet.
Tim, op 2015-02-09 07:11:19, zei:
Hallo Mich, welkom!

Maak je maar geen zorgen over die gedraaide foto's.

In de toekomst voeg ik een "roteer" knop toe op elke fotopagina zodat je elke reeds geuploade foto gemakkelijk kan draaien. Eens dat er is, kan je deze en andere foto's draaien zonder ze zelf te bewerken en opnieuw te uploaden. Laat deze dus maar gewoon even staan.



mich1995, op 2015-02-11 08:03:25, zei:
Oke bedankt

j1g2a3n4d5e6r, op 2014-07-28 15:43:02, zei:
This church and the yew tree are in the county of Sussex not Surrey. I wish you would amend your records as the facts are incorrect

WiPe, op 2014-07-28 17:30:15, gewijzigd op 2014-07-29 09:11:12, zei:
It appears to me that this record is correct. Can it be possible that you have been confusing Crowhurst, Surrey St. Georges' church and Crowhurst, East Sussex parish churchyard?

j1g2a3n4d5e6r, op 2014-07-29 16:16:14, zei:
I do apologise for my error. Having recently visited the parish church in Crowhurst East Sussex & seen the magnificent oak tree I though that was the one you were referring to. I am amazed that there are 2 churches & villages with the same names & such old oak trees. Once again I am sorry if I have caused confusion but many thanks for your prompt reply.


Jeremy01, op 2014-01-26 22:57:27, zei:
Dear Colleagues

I write to update you on the latest developments concerning the felling of one of Britain’s most important heritage trees. The tree was a 187 year old cedar of Lebanon known as The Duke of Wellington Cedar, and it was felled by one of our most respected institutions, The National Trust (

I accept that Britain is far from home for many of you, so please press delete now if you are not interested. However, if you would like to see more, then view a video here which provides some more background and shows one of the trees being felled:

I visited the property while the felling was under way and recorded a video that can be viewed at

Additionally, in order to provide a more factual, balanced and technically credible perspective, I have prepared and published a briefing note that can be accessed at

You can read more about on this blog:

You can also see the National Trust response and public comments at:

For those of us concerned with protecting heritage trees, what is of interest in this case is how we have managed to utilize modern media through the video and YouTube to organize the substantial support necessary to give us a credible platform to complain about the behaviour of a very big organisation. The National Trust is a 4 million strong member organisation and one of the biggest landowners in Europe, so it does not readily listen to lone voices. However, through this video and the voting mechanism that allows ‘likes’ and ‘dislikes’ to be recorded, we have generated nearly 5,000 hits so far, which is uneard of in Britain.

We have used this mandate to write to The Trust with a view to preventing future losses of these irreplaceable living heritage assets. It remains to be seen how successful this will be, but it would be great if you could lend your support by viewing and voting on the video.

Thank you for taking the time to read this and I hope that you will be able join me in giving heritage trees a voice. You can keep up to date with events as they unfold through my Facebook page at

Many thanks

Jeremy Barrell

Jeroen Philippona, op 2014-01-26 23:37:15, zei:
Hi Jeremy,

We had already remarked the felling of these Cedars, see: (start was in Dutch). Actually that was because of your action on Youtube.

Also the trees were already with photos on this website.

There are some English men very active at this website, among who Owen Johnson of the Tree Register of the British Isles and several Dutch and Flemish guys have visited the UK often and put information and photos of trees at this website.

I was at Kingston Lacy in July last summer and am very dissapointent these great trees have been cut now. My wife and I rested some time under the Duke of Wellington Cedar and never had the feeling this was a risky tree.

Also it is very distrusting that the National Trust has done this, it seems to give a precedent for many landowners to cut trees wich could give some risk.

Very good you have started this action and I hope it will get a lot of attention and awareness of the people as well as the National Trust and other landowners. Did you get responce from official organisations wich deal with the conservation of trees and landscapes?

I asked Owen Johnson and David Alderman of the Tree Register by E-mail about their opinion on the felling of the Cedars, but till now they did not respond.

I wish you a lot of success with your battle for a better preservation of monumental and heritage trees!

Best regards,

Jeroen Philippona

Contact person of the Dutch "Bomenstichting" (Tree Foundation of the Netherlands).

Jeremy01, op 2014-01-27 08:40:48, zei:
Good morning Jeroen

Thank you for your quick response. I was not sure if you knew that the tree had been felled, especially as you had such good photogrpahs on your website of it.

The video has now had nearly 5,000 views and we are trying to use this support to engage with The National Trust to see if we can get it to agree a more appropriate management approach to other important trees it owns, but it is not responding at the moment. We will continue to try, and I will keep you updated on pgoress, but in the meantime, the more people that view the video and support it, the stronger our argument to The Trust that is should take notice.

Thank you for your support and for the great work you are doing with your website.


Han van Meegeren, op 2014-01-27 17:26:59, zei:
Hi Jeremy

Keep up the good work. It's a shame they did put down a tree like this one.

If you can't trust the National Trust?

Greetings from Holland, Han van Meegeren

WiPe, op 2014-01-31 19:19:07, zei:
What about the Arboricultural Assosiation? What is their opinion in this act?

Jeremy01, op 2014-02-02 10:30:20, zei:
Han & WiPe

Thank you for your support. The Dutch have been very interested in this tree, which is great to see. Regarding organisations taking a lead in complaining to the National Trust, it is always more difficult for them to speak out because they need the support of their members and not all will be in agreement with my position. It seems that individuals need to lead the way and hopefully any support that we can gather will draw in wider support from organisations. It should also be remembered that the National Trust do very good work generally, but something clearly went wrong in this case. I have written to the Director General and Chairman, and we need to see if there is a positive response. This tree is now lost, and our focus now needs to be on making sure other great trees are not lost in the same way. I think we can do it, but it will take time and support from around the world. So thank you all for your support and we will keep working on this.


RedRob, op 2013-12-02 18:11:31, zei:

This corresponds with the big Chinese Fir, great speciman, never seen one remotely near this size. What will be the potential tallest height in the UK?

Conifers, op 2013-12-02 20:45:11, zei:
Actually a Cunninghamia, not a fir (Abies). There used to be one at Bicton in Devon 30m tall, but I recollect reading it's no longer there.

TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, op 2013-12-02 22:35:38, zei:
The Mount Usher tree slightly exceeds a number of good ones in the old gardens of Devon and Cornwall. This is a conifer from well south in China, so it likes a warm but humid growing season, and not too much winter frost. We cannot really match these conditions in Britain or Ireland, so it is always going to be a bit of a disappointment besides its redwood allies.

WiPe, op 2013-12-03 08:47:01, zei:
In Belgium, the largest Cunninghamia lanceolata grows in Beisbroek park,near Brugge. According to the inventarisation of the Belgian dendrological society, the trees has a heigth of 23 m and a girth of 233 cm.

Image loading faster
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Tim, op 2013-11-14 09:51:58, zei:

today I made the loading of the image pages faster.

Individual photos (the pages with the rating on and other image details) should now load faster, which should make it more fun to browse through the photos.

Kind regards,


TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, op 2013-11-15 19:14:48, zei:
This has made a real difference in the time it takes to upload photos - thanks.

I have found that the site crashes most frequently when I have recorded a new tree at a new site and, instead of getting the new site's webpage, I get a '404' error message: 'The requested URL was not found on this server'. I don't know if this is an issue that can be fixed, or if it is a communications failure with Google Maps. The only way around this I can find is to press the 'go back' button, enter the tree again, and then I get the new site's webpage showing the same tree entered twice with successive identification numbers (I then delete one of these). I am sorry if this technical English is not easy to understand!

If anyone can suggest an easier way of escaping the crash, I'd be interested to hear.


Tim, op 2013-11-16 10:27:44, zei:
Hi Owen,

this sounds like an easy error to fix. I tried to reproduce the error by registering a new tree at a new site, but "sadly" everything went fine.

If you would encounter this again, could you be so kind to send me the url of the 404 page and the location where you were trying to add a tree? I prefer technical English :) - the more details, the better - as often most of my time is spent trying to find out what somebody meant with "adding the tree didn't work", instead of fixing it and making sure it cannot happen again. Urls are the best way.

Kind regards,


WiPe, op 2013-11-17 19:05:02, gewijzigd op 2013-11-17 19:13:15, zei:

I had this problem before. I tried to register a new tree and got the same error

404 Not Found

The requested URL /nl/fra/querqueville/7644_eglisenotredameetchapellesaintgermain/ was not found on this server.

the URL is



Henk Eshuis, op 2013-11-17 20:45:47, zei:
Hi Tim

I also have the same problem when adding a new place here. When I got the not found error, the tree added is visible on the recent changes page. I used to go there, click the tree just added at a new place and then continue adding measurements and photos. When adding a second tree, so without creating a new place, there is no problem.



Tim, op 2013-11-18 09:15:25, zei:
Thanks for the detailed messages. I'll try to look at this still this week.

Kind regards,


Need help to identify
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jamesjzob, op 2013-10-27 03:10:29, zei:
I have a cross (not ordinary) but made from some short of branch that was given to me over 20 years ago. I was told that this was made from a rare tree grown only in can I find out if this is the truth

Conifers, op 2013-10-27 11:21:03, zei:
There are no trees that occur only in Switzerland, as very similar habitats with no barriers to plant colonisation are also found in the Alps in France, Italy, Austria, etc.

Perhaps the most likely tree is Pinus cembra.

WiPe, op 2013-10-27 15:47:39, zei:
Determination of wood can be done in a xylarium likt the one in Tervuren (Belgium) or the wood database CWAR in Madison, Wisconsin

You can also browse their collections and compare the wood of your cross with the images on this sites.

Zelf mammoetbomen kweken
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lievestas, op 2013-08-25 15:07:43, zei:
Ik ben zo net op uw site beland.

Ik zelf heb een sequoia boom ongeveer 20 jaar geleden gekocht.

Hij heeft al een hele hoogte bereikt.

De naalden beginnen onderaan bruin te worden en verder naar boven toe.

Ik vrees dat ik hem zal verliezen.

Kunt u mij enige raad geven waardoor hij als nog gered kan worden?

mvg L. Stas.

Leo Goudzwaard, op 2013-08-25 18:31:24, zei:
heel veel water geven en eind oktober in de volle grond planten, mocht hij nog in een pot staan.

lievestas, op 2013-08-25 19:38:06, zei:
Dank voor de snelle reaktie ivm de mammoetboom

Hij staat in volle grond, al zo'n 20 jaar.

Kan ik eventueel voeding of meststof geven of is het toch de droogte.

Besproei ik dan de boom of voornamelijk de grond?

Dank en groeten, L. Stas.

Leo Goudzwaard, op 2013-08-26 07:44:51, zei:
mest is niet nodig, zelfs onwenselijk, maar wel heel veel water geven, vooral langdurig zodat het water diep in de bodem kan dringen. In de grond natuurlijk want daarin zitten de wortels.

Frank, op 2013-08-26 15:16:11, zei:

het is een droog jaar geweest. De Sequoias beginnen daarom vroeger de oude naalden te verliezen. Dat is een natuurlijke process: brown out. Water is goed, maar ook niet te veel. Afhankelijk van de grond. Te veel op een zware goed water houdende grond gaat problemen met Botrytis opleveren.

In ieder geval niet meer doen. Meestal komen de bomen zelf tegen aan. Het zou ook helpen hier enkele fotos intestellen.


Groeten uit Duitsland van een Sequoiavriend,


lievestas, op 2013-08-26 19:02:08, zei:
Leo en Frank,

allebei heel veel dank voor de reaktie.

Ik zal alvast beginnen met water geven, de boom staat in kleigrond. In de zomer bij droog, warm weer, wordt die grond keihard, in de andere (natte) seizoenen is hij "papperig en smeuïg". Rond de stam groeit bodembedekking (hondsdraf), misschien kan ik die best verwijderen. Ik zag op foto's dat de bomen onderaan geen takken hebben terwijl ik die nooit verwijdert heb?

Ik hou jullie op de hoogte van het verder verloop, ik vermoed dat het enige tijd zal vragen.

Dank en groeten, L. Stas?

Leo Goudzwaard, op 2013-08-27 13:13:50, zei:
bodembedekking is goed voor de boom

WiPe, op 2013-09-02 12:43:27, gewijzigd op 2013-09-03 18:35:13, zei:
Je kan best een dunne laag goed verteerde kompost onder de boom leggen, dat helpt tegen het uitdrogen van de bodem, maar maakt ook de zware kleigrond wat lichter. Je mag die kompost gerust een tot twee meter voorbij de kruin uitspreiden. Bodembedekking met hondsdraf is zeer goed, stukken beter dan gras.

lievestas, op 2013-09-02 17:54:17, zei:
Dag Allemaal,

Dank voor jullie reacties.

De bruin-rosse kleur zit al tot boven, niet zo sterk als onderaan, daar is minstens 1 tak helemaal verkleurd.

Zou het beter zijn de onderste takken af te zagen zodat de stam daar zichtbaar wordt, nu hangen de takken namelijk tot op de grond. Ik vind trouwens dat de stam ook een beetje "rossig" wordt! (zou dat suggestie zijn!).

Over enkele weken komt mijn zoon, die kan foto's nemen om rechtstreeks naar deze site door te sturen, ik bezit namelijk niet zo'n toestel.

Groeten, Lieve Stas.

lievestas, op 2013-09-24 17:55:59, zei:
Dag allemaal,

Ik probeer foto's door te sturen van de segoia-boom waarover ik reeds berichtte.

Het lukt mij niet via deze site.

Kan ik eventueel een E-mail adres krijgen waarnaar ik ze kan sturen of heeft u richtlijnen om het alsnog langs deze pagina te doen?

Dank en groeten, L. Stas.

WiPe, op 2013-09-24 18:12:38, zei:
Je kan best de boom op de site toevoegen en dan foto's uploaden. Dan kan je daarnaar verwijzen op deze overlegpagina.

De knoppen om een boom toe te voegen staan rechts bovenaan de pagina.




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