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TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, à 2014-08-31 19:39:17, a dit:
This one is Alnus subcordata, I think, though I can't rule out Alnus x elliptica (cordata x glutinosa; scarcely grown in Britain). A magnificent tree!

TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, à 2014-08-31 19:35:41, a dit:
Probably Catalpa x erubescens? The broad, mid-green leaves, irregular dome and abundant seed-pods are characteristic. Catalpa speciosa (in England) has yellow-green, rather triangular leaves with long points which are held very densely over the surface of the domed crown, which is open inside.

TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, à 2014-08-31 19:31:36, a dit:
Possibly Alnus x spaethii (japonica x subcordata)? In England, Alnus japonica is an asymmetrical tree, seldom thriving, with notably slender leaves and a square-cracked bark. The hybrid is straight-trunked, very vigorous and leafy, with more ovate leaves, and has a vertically ridged bark, as in the photo.

Conifers, à 2014-08-31 13:57:48, a dit:
Too many leaflets for Juglans regia, and the terminal leaflet is not larger than the others. I suspect this is one of the hybrid walnuts, perhaps between Juglans regia and Juglans nigra, or between Juglans regia and Juglans ailantifolia.
TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, à 2014-08-31 19:23:26, a dit:
From the bark, I think it's J. x intermedia (nigra x regia). It's good to see such interesting rarities appearing on the site!

Wim Brinkerink, à 2014-08-30 11:18:49, a dit:
Leo,

Jij hebt deze boom gedetermineerd als Betula platyphylla. Als ik de schors bekijk ziet hij er meer uit als een ermanii. Dat komt ook overeen met de beschrijving die aan het begin van het gebied Japan is gegeven. Maar..ik ga hem niet zonder meer wijzigen zonder jouw mening.


Conifers, à 2014-08-31 13:53:32, a dit:
I would agree with Betula platyphylla - the seed catkins (visible in the foliage photo) are slender and drooping, whereas on Betula ermannii they are stouter and erect.

TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, à 2014-08-31 19:20:02, a dit:
I think Betula ermanii x pubescens. A lot of big 'Betula ermanii' in Britain are this hybrid - presumably open-pollinated seedlings raised in Europe. In this case, the bark of the trunk is nearly B. pubescens, that of the smaller branches close to B. ermanii. The leaf is close to B. ermanii (but should show hairs on the stalk and under the veins). Fruit will show intermediate features. Betula [pendula subsp.] mandshurica/B. platyphylla in my experience has long-pointed triangular leaves which are a very dark (not yellowish-) green and forms a slender, sometimes slightly weeping tree.


Conifers, à 2014-08-31 13:55:25, a dit:
A pear Pyrus sp. Sorry, not sure which species.
TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, à 2014-08-31 19:14:21, a dit:
I think Malus yunnanensis. The bark is right (peeling in big scales of grey and brown). The fruit should have little raised white dots (not visible in the picture) and the leaf should be densely hairy underneath.

Leo Goudzwaard, à 2014-07-03 09:05:45, a dit:
prachtige vondst, een soort die erg zeldzaam is in NL en dan ook nog 3+. Er staat er een in het G.Hornemannplantsoen in Eindhoven van 2+

Wim Brinkerink, à 2014-08-31 09:54:10, a dit:
Ik zie nu pas dit commentaar. Ik was ook wel verrast om deze boom daar te treffen. De gemeente Voorschoten heeft zich hier aardig uitgesloofd om een verzameling bijzondere bomen te planten.


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Wim Brinkerink, à 2014-08-30 15:51:39, a dit:
Hallo Leo,

Ik heb geworsteld met de bomen in het Zuiderpark in Den Haag. Jij hebt o.m. er een aantal Japanse elzen geplaatst. Ik weet niet of ik in de aanpassingen er helemaal ben uitgekomen, maar we kunnen van alles verbeteren. Ik zag in jouw boek dat je melding maakte van de originele Japanse els die in het Arboretum zou staan. Misschien, zo meldde je was de boom die jij benoemde wel een hybride.

Intrigerend en leuk. Ik heb je in eerste instantie gevolgd en geprobeerd aan te vullen en van foto's te voorzien. Toen ik klaars was en mijn foto's bekeek, zag ik dat ter plekke een els me in het Japan-deel had geïntrigeerd. Misschien, zo denk ik, is dat wel de echte Japanse els. Ik zal hem posten als niet gedetermineerde boom.

Ter verduidelijking. Ziet er oud uit. Is kronkelig , is onmiskenbaar een els en staat in het Japanse deel.

Wie weet.?

Groet

WIm



Sisley, à 2014-08-29 18:17:37, a dit:
Hi.

Nice girth for a pear tree ! Any picture of this specimen ?



Wim Brinkerink, à 2014-08-26 15:37:37, a dit:
Mooi foto

Trompetboom in de Stropstraat
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Tim, à 2014-08-26 08:11:29, a dit:
Hallo Bess,

ken jij deze boom? http://www.nieuwsblad.be/article/detail.aspx?articleid=B4303FHO

Ik heb hem toegevoegd als:

Broeders van Liefde Stropstraat

Hoewel ik daar jarenlang vlakbij op kot zat, heb ik deze nog nooit gezien.

Groeten,

Tim



smal65, à 2014-08-24 19:16:29, a dit:
De boom is van het begin opgekroond en heeft dus geen takken die op de grond zijn gezakt en weer nieuwe stammen zijn gaan vormen.

TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, à 2014-08-21 18:43:17, a dit:
What a magnificent tree!

I wonder (from the bark colour and apparent needle length) if it might be Pinus strobus instead? But I'm unfamiliar with the behaviour of either species in Germany and would welcome other opinions. In Britain, P. strobus never carries that many cones.

Rainer Lippert, à 2014-08-21 20:01:39, a dit:
Hallo Owen,

ich habe noch zwei weitere Bilder hochgeladen, eines davon von einem Zapfen. Vielleicht hilft das weiter. Ich selbst habe mich auf das Schild am Stamm orientiert. Aber das muss ja nichts heißen, die sind ja auch öfters mal falsch.

Viele Grüße,

Rainer

Conifers, à 2014-08-21 23:07:42, a dit:
The cones confirm Owen is right, it is definitely Pinus strobus ;-)

PS Owen - I have seen Pinus strobus in Britain with heavy cone crops.

Rainer Lippert, à 2014-08-23 17:31:18, a dit:
Hallo Conifers,

danke für die Bestätigung. Ich ändere es entsprechend ab. Aber auch so ist es der höchste Baum der Art in Deutschland/Europa.

Man sollte die Personen die immer diese falschen Schilder anbringen verklagen ;-)

Viele Grüße,

Rainer


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Tim, à 2014-08-11 06:06:57, a dit:
Hi Andrew,

welcome at the site. Great to see you registering these Polish trees.

Actually I have been in Łódź a couple of times! If there is anything you need help with, don't hesitate to ask.

Kind regards,

Tim


Andrew Weber, à 2014-08-22 14:44:08, a dit:
Hi Tim, I just discovered possibilities for discussion. I strive for registering trees regularly, but probably from September to June I have to focus on studying at the University, hopefully I will find some moments to send photos of great trees. All in all, I would like to say that in Poland about 1/3 of great plants grows on private ownerships, usually old manor houses and it is really hard to talk to the owners and measure the trees, because You discern only tall fence and hear a vicious dog. Apart from difficulties tree chasing is a great, magnificent form of leisure.

However I am fully happy that around the world I can see people who love trees so much, thanks for these facilities.



Rayn, à 2014-08-22 08:02:13, a dit:
Have it been struck by lightnening or is it just age?
Zeltins, à 2014-08-22 08:53:43, a dit:
I think it's lightning.

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xena, à 2014-08-19 04:48:04, a dit:
scholem-nachtrag,

scholem hab vergessen dir zu sagen,dass ich auch einen "chinesischen mammutbaum" grossziehe....

hab ihn bekommen,da war er 30cm gross und der stammumfang war nicht einmal 1cm.

zur zeit ist er in einem grossen holztopf,aber steht von anfang an im freien,ca.170cm hoch,stammumfang muss ich erst noch messen,aber es werden sicher so um die 8cm sein,es wird heuer sein dritter winter,die sind extrem winterfest,aber leider auch gegen trockenheit empfindlich,daher muss er auch im winter zum richtigen zeitpunkt mit wasser versorgt werden.....

dieser baum verliert im winter alle nadeln,schaut dann aus,als waere er "hinueber",aber so bald der fruehling kommt gehts los,dann waechst er wie verrueckt.....

fuer diesen baum hab ich mir in schottland gute tipps besorgen koennen.

lg xena

ps mach heute ein foto und stell das auch hier rein....


Scholem Alejchem, à 2014-08-22 08:18:53, a dit:
Liebe Xena

Ich hoffe der UMB ist keine Topfpflanze, denn die sind hier eher nicht gefragt.

UMB gibt es wie Sand am Meer, KMB nur ganz wenige, daher ist Deiner auch etwas besonderes obwohl er nicht gerade ein "monumentaler Baum" ist.

Ich hoffe, Du verstehst

lg Scholem


xena, à 2014-08-22 08:20:14, a dit:
alles klar,danke fuer die info

lg xena



Rayn, à 2014-08-22 07:58:45, a dit:
Big birch and a small rowan.

Chilean Palm in Jersey
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rffilms, à 2014-08-19 13:26:40, a dit:
Hello

We are very excited with your encounter in Noirmont Manor gardens in Jersey. I am the head researcher of the project Chilean Trees across the World (which will become a hard cover book) We would like to learn more about this Palm (Jubaea Chilensis) its history with facts such as who brought it, when, how? Do you have any contact information of whom can provide us these answers? Or if you manage that kind of information, could you mail me directly (I could deliver too more information about the project). Thanks

Rodrigo Fernandez rodrigo@rffilms.cl


RedRob, à 2014-08-20 15:12:52, a dit:
Noirmont Manor

Owen would be the one to ask about the Jubaea in Jersey, if I remember correctly there is another fair sized Jubaea in Torquay, Devon as well.


rffilms, à 2014-08-20 16:08:40, a dit:
Thank you RedRob for your comment. Yes, Owen has already contact us.

Any ideas will be welcome

Thanks

Rodrigo Fernandez

rodrigo@rffilms.cl



xena, à 2014-08-06 07:13:18, a dit:
ich hab meinen redwood aus samen grossgezogen,er ist jetzt knapp ueber 15m hoch und sein stammumfang misst derzeit 120cm.

sein stammumfang hat von april 2013 bis mai 2014 um 10cm zugelegt.

er benoetigt viel wasser,da redwoods extrem anfaellig fuer trockenschaeden sind,daher kann ich jeden der einen redwood pflanzt nur raten,giessen,giessen und noch einma giessen.

ausserdem ist es sehr wichtig,dass beim einsetzen eine mischung von sand,schotter und guter erde geruecksichtigt wird,damit kein stauwasser entstehen kann.

Frank, à 2014-08-06 20:28:38, a dit:
Hallo Xena,

toller selbst gezogener Redwood. Kompliment! Wie sind denn die Winter bei euch? Ist der Baum in der Jugend zurückgefroren? Und woher stammte denn dein Saatgut? Entschuldige die Fragerei, aber in Deutschland habe ich schon viele junge Redwoods im Winter eingehen gesehen.

Viele Grüße,

Frank

xena, à 2014-08-07 05:02:12, a dit:
guten morgen frank,

die samen hab ich aus dem usa urlaub mitgenommen,mir sind aber auch jede menge eingegangen,die ersten zwei jahre sind am schwierigsten.

bei uns in wien gibts wirklich harte winter,aber auch milde,so wie der winter 2013/2014,kein schnee,keine kaelte...

das jahr davor hatten wir minus 19grad und die donau war fast ganz zugefroren,dass hat meinem redwood nur bedingt gestoert,zum glueck war auch viel schnee,weil....das wichtigste fuer einen redwood auch im winter ist genug wasser,sonst gehen sie ein!!!!!!

ich hab ihn ins freie gesetzt,da war er ca.7 jahre alt und 160cm hoch,stammumfang 6cm.......

zweimal ist die spitze auf einer laenge von 70cm abgefroren,aber das gleicht er ab april wieder aus.

von mai bis august waechst er staendig und je nach wetter teilweise auch massiv!!!

so,jetzt muss ich wieder an die arbeit,aber wenn du noch fragen hast wuerde ich mich sehr ueber eine nachricht von dir freuen.

schoenen tag und bis bald

xena

Scholem Alejchem, à 2014-08-11 09:06:22, édité à 2014-08-11 09:06:56, a dit:
Hallo Xena, den werd ich mir Mal angucken, wenn ich wieder durch die Lobaugasse düse.

Wenn Du ihn fleissig giesst, dann schaut er sicher bald so aus:


lg Scholem

xena, à 2014-08-11 09:23:18, a dit:
hallo,

das hoffe ich !!!!

lg xena

Scholem Alejchem, à 2014-08-14 10:27:35, a dit:
Hallo Xena

Die Ortsangabe stimmt aber mit der Adresse nicht so wirklich überein.....

Was den Bodenfrost angeht, gibt es eine einfache Lösung, das Laub der Umgebung sammeln und rund um den Baum aufschlichten, je weiter und je höher desto besser und mit einem Netz am davonfliegen hindern.

lg scholem

xena, à 2014-08-14 10:34:48, a dit:
hallo

das mit der ortsangabe laesst sich leider nicht korregieren,keine ahnung warum....er steht in der josef frank gasse....

frost macht ihm nichts mehr,hat schon winter mit minus 19 grad weggesteckt,trockenheit ist wesentlich gefaehrlicher...

lg

xena

Scholem Alejchem, à 2014-08-14 15:56:40, édité à 2014-08-14 16:01:48, a dit:
Passt es jetzt ungefähr?

Wenn Du auf die Koordinaten klickst kommt ein Kartenbildschirm, dann auf "Bearbeiten der Koordinaten" klicken, neue Koordianten mit der Maus eingeben, speichern, fertig.

Scholem Alejchem, à 2014-08-16 15:49:10, a dit:
Hallo Xena, ich war heute vor Ort (im größten Regen) und habe mir Dein Prachtexemplar angesehn. Es ist der größte KMB in Wien, das ist sicher.

Gratuliere dazu

lg Scholem

xena, à 2014-08-18 05:47:22, a dit:
guten morgen scholem,

na du musst ja ein wirklicher fan von redwoods sein,dass du durch wien faehrst um dir einen speziellen baum anzusehen....

danke fuer deine sehr netten worte,dass freud mich wirklich sehr!!!

zur zeit beginn das jaehrliche "auslichten",da ist er nicht so dicht,aber wenn du in naechstes jahr wieder vorbeischaust,am besten ende juni,dann wirst du dich wundern,vor allem frueh morgens "plustert" sich mein baum foermlich auf....

werde auf jeden fall fotos reinstellen...

danke noch einmal fuer deine netten worte,wuensch dir einen guten wochenbeginn,bis bald

lg xena

Scholem Alejchem, à 2014-08-18 17:19:51, a dit:
Liebe Xena

Einen Hupfer über die Tangente ist ja nix weltbewegendes und ich wollte immer schon mal meine Ortskenntnisse von Aspern aufbessern. Der Umstand, daß Dein Bäumchen der größte von Wien ist, lässt darauf schliessen, daß Du ein besseres Händchen dafür hast, als alle Profigärtner von Schönbrunn, Belvedere und botanischen Gärten zusammen. Das ist auch im Mammutbaumforum angekommen.

lg Scholem

(aus Erdberg)

xena, à 2014-08-19 04:25:17, a dit:
guten morgen scholem,

naja,die tangente kann aber schon zur nervenprobe werden:)

ich denke,dass ich beim einsetzen von meinem redwood einen wichtigen rat eines rangers im redwood nationalpark beherzigt habe,er hat mir geraten grosszuegig und vor allem tiefgenug auszugraben und gute erde plus sand und schotter zu verwenden,ergo hab ich ein loch mit 2m durchmesser und 100cm tief gegraben und das ganze dann mit hochwertiger erde und vor allem sand und schotter aufgefuellt.hat lustig ausgeschaut,fuer einen 160cm hohen baum,wo der stamm gerade 6cm umfang hatte so ein loch zu graben...

ich hab ihn ja schon in der wohnung und im sommer auf der terrasse im topf mit so einer mischung sieben jahre lang grossgezogen.....

leider machen sie ihn nicht zum naturdenkmal,weil der baum zu nahe an dem gehweg und der strasse steht,naja,ich warte noch ein paar jahre und probiere es dann noch einmal,mal schaun,wie gross er dann sein wird:)

also bis bald und noch einen schoenen tag

xena


Frank, à 2014-08-06 10:41:17, édité à 2014-08-06 12:33:54, a dit:
Hello Mairie,

this is a magnificent tree, but it is no Sequoiadendron giganteum. It's a Sequoia sempervirens. And if the girth measurement is indeed correct, it would even be the largest specimen here in Europe. It sure looks like a heavy trunk. Congratulations...:-0...!

Thanks for sharing...:-)

Best wishes

Frank

RedRob, à 2014-08-06 16:13:01, a dit:
Agree totally with Frank, what a magnificent Coast Redwood, second tallest recorded in Europe at the moment. The photo with the people walking past really gives a context, a perspective of it's size. Well done for bringing this tree to light. What is the climate like In Vals-les-Bains, not familiar with this area so will Google at some point if no rely.
KoutaR, à 2014-08-07 10:36:18, a dit:
Hello Mairie,

A magnificent tree, indeed. Which instrument did you use for the height measurement?

Kouta

mairie07, à 2014-08-12 07:42:21, a dit:
bonjour et merci pour vos commentaires et compliments.

Pour la mesure nous avons utilisé la méthode théodolite à visée laser et pour la circonférence un ruban souple apposé au tronc.

Nous sommes situés dans le Sud Est de la France en région Rhône-Alpes dans le département de l’Ardèche.

Cordialement

Mairie07

Conifers, à 2014-08-14 19:29:44, a dit:
Still needs changing to Sequoia sempervirens - any objections to my doing so?
Jeroen Philippona, à 2014-08-14 20:28:59, édité à 2014-08-14 20:40:39, a dit:
Bonjour Mairie,

I hope you don't mind that I have changed the species from Sequoiadendron giganteum to Sequoia sempervirens, wich it very clearly is.

We like to have the right information on this website about species and measurements.

This specimen is extra interesting as indeed being probably the largest and second tallest Sequoia sempervirens tree in Europe we know of.

It seems to be a rival of the largest Seqoiadendron in Europe regarding to total woodvolume and could be one of the largest trees in Europe already.

Best regards,

Jeroen Philippona

Sisley, à 2014-08-15 16:58:40, a dit:
Very nice tree !!

The measures was made by personnel of the Town Hall and 'mairie 07' says that they used a theodolite, a surveying instrument.


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Tim, à 2014-08-10 10:46:37, édité à 2014-08-10 10:47:20, a dit:
Hi,

as you probably all noticed the site got slower to even unreachable the last days.

I found the cause and have a solution in mind that I will try to implement today. This should cause the site (especially the image overview pages) to be faster than before, but in the meantime the overview pages per country/province/municipality will not list any images. The image pages as such (not the overview pages) will remain accessible and you can continue to use the site without restrictions.

Just so you know these empty image overview pages are intentional and temporary.

Kind regards,

Tim


Tim, à 2014-08-10 14:44:28, a dit:
Hi,

everything should now be relatively fast again and working.

Kind regards,

Tim


Conifers, à 2014-08-14 19:33:13, a dit:
Thanks Tim!

One other cause of slowdown - the flickering numbers on the home page (number of registered trees, etc.) slow loading down quite a lot. I have also read that flickering images like this can be dangerous for people with epilepsy (they can trigger an epileptic fit). Maybe make the numbers appear in the final totals from the start, without the 'counting up'?


Tim, à 2014-08-15 16:34:41, a dit:
Hi Conifers,

I have to disappoint you but these moving counters don't slow down the site.

The actual numbers they stop on after moving are already known as soon as you see the page, and getting these numbers is much less than a fraction of a millisecond as it doesn't involve any actual counting. The moving numbers that you see then is just a simple animation that is done at the client's side to make that main page appear more dynamic (like see, the database is ever growing).

I made the color of the counters somewhat less black to soften the contrast.

Kind regards,

Tim



Conifers, à 2014-08-14 19:36:18, a dit:
Sequoiadendron giganteum ;-)
Scholem Alejchem, à 2014-08-14 19:50:56, a dit:
Believe in Conifers
Martin Tijdgat, à 2014-08-14 23:56:31, a dit:
Beste luisindepels,

Ben het met de collega's eens; dit is geen Taxodium maar een Sequoiadendron. Verander je de naam zelf?

Groet, Martin

luisindepels, à 2014-08-15 11:52:13, a dit:
ok jullie zijn meer experts dan mij...

rffilms, à 2014-08-14 21:22:41, a dit:
Dear robur73. Please contact me. I am Rodrigo Fernandez, head of research of "Chilean Trees across the World"

rodrigo@rffilms.cl

Thanks


Wim Brinkerink, à 2014-07-19 14:57:28, a dit:
Hi Nardo,

Volgens mij heb jij deze bomen gepost. Volgens mijn informatie is het echter geen grondgebied van Schin op Geul maar van Valkenburg. Dat maak ik in ieder geval op uit Wikipedia en het staat ook aangegeven in deel zuid van de "Gids voor de Nederlandse tuin- en landschapsarchitectuur. " Ben je het eens en zoja vind je het goed dat ik het verander of wil dat zelf doen. Het lijkt me ook goed om het gebied van het kasteel wat preciezer te splitsen. De Thuja staat formeel op een deel van het kasteelpark, genoemd Sjloensheim. (Formeel adres; Oud Valkenburg 1)De molen en het heempark vormen één geheel en dat bestaat sinds 1950. Het wordt gerund door vrijwilligers van het IVN


Conifers, à 2014-07-19 21:45:27, a dit:
Hi Nardo, Wim - on the subject of the Thuja, I am still pretty sure this is T. plicata, and not T. occidentalis as the sign says. Can either of you get some close-up photos of the foliage and cones for verification?

Wim Brinkerink, à 2014-07-20 08:22:53, a dit:
Hi Conifers, I just uploaded the photo's of some details.

Martin Tijdgat, à 2014-07-20 09:27:17, a dit:
Wim,

Ben het met Conifers eens; dit is Thuja plicata.


Conifers, à 2014-07-20 12:39:06, a dit:
Thanks! Yes, definitely Thuja plicata.

Wim Brinkerink, à 2014-07-20 12:39:16, a dit:
Nardo,

Ik heb het adres van de tuin gevonden; dat is Oud Valkenburg 1, Schin op Geul. Dus jij hebt de boom op het juiste dorp geregistreerd. Nu moet alleen de soort nog gewijzigd worden.

Groet

WIm


Nardo Kaandorp, à 2014-08-14 06:35:56, a dit:
Hallo Wim,

Ik lees dit verhaal nu pas (geen automatische mail ontvangen helaas). Het zal dan inderdaad wel een Thuja Plicata zijn. Wel jammer dan van het mooie verhaal op de site en het bord in de tuin. Dat klopt dus nu niet meer. Ik denk dat we deze personen op de hoogte moeten brengen.

Overigens de boom oogt wel vrij "geel" voor een Plicata. Kan het misschien een Plicata "Zebrina" zijn? Heb je nog een detailfoto van het loof?


Wim Brinkerink, à 2014-08-14 08:30:15, a dit:
Hallo Nardo,

Ik heb de enige detailfoto van het loof die ik heb bij de boom geplaatst. Ik heb helaas een hoop foto's moeten weggooien, omdat een paar flinke instellingsfouten had gemaakt met mijn nieuwe camera. Helaas veel mooie foto's en detailfoto's kwijt geraakt. Ik neem aan dat Conifers en/of Martin indien nodig inhoudelijk op jouw opmerking reageren. Ik heb er niet zo veel verstand van.

Overigens was het bordje wel recent vernieuwd. Wellicht door de gemeente. Ik zal het toevoegen aan de boom.

Groet

Wim


Martin Tijdgat, à 2014-08-14 09:50:33, a dit:
Nardo, Wim, Conifers,

This a bit yellow for Thuja plicata, but it is not cv. Zebrina. That is yellow and green stripped. Have a detailed picture from tree and twig of Th. pl. Zebrina from woodstock Gardens, Instioge, Ireland.

Martin


Conifers, à 2014-08-14 19:28:42, a dit:
Agree, it is not 'Zebrina', which (like the animal it is named after) has striped variegation. The yellowing could easily be due to the soil conditions it is growing it. Shame about the new board, they will have to change it yet again when Wim tells them about its identity ;-)


Wim Brinkerink, à 2014-07-25 16:36:46, a dit:
Prachtig plaatje Maarten! dikke 5
Maarten Windemuller, à 2014-07-25 17:12:08, édité à 2014-07-25 17:12:43, a dit:
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Maarten Windemuller, à 2014-07-25 17:12:17, édité à 2014-07-25 17:12:55, a dit:
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Maarten Windemuller, à 2014-07-25 17:12:22, a dit:
Heb dank, het was een ook feest om de boom te vinden. Wat een beauty.
Martin Tijdgat, à 2014-07-25 21:47:23, a dit:
Maarten,

Kan het zijn dat dit de cv. Serotina de Selys is? Het opgaande karakter lijkt sterk op de Selysen die in Amstelveen staan op de Lindenlaan (Montesorrischoolplein)

Leo Goudzwaard, à 2014-07-26 05:37:00, a dit:
Dat zou goed kunnen. Er staat ook een groot exemplaar van op de parkeerplaats van Arboretum Kalmthout, zie foto en beschrijving van deze cv in mijn boek Loofbomen in NL en VL. De bladvorm op de foto van Maarten klopt ook.
Maarten Windemuller, à 2014-07-26 14:40:08, a dit:
Leo, Martin; thanks for suggestion. I uploaded another foto with detail of twig and leave. I will change the name if you are sure. What I found on Internet pictures it is the form that is making the clear difference between this subspecies and other subspecies of x canadensis. Are there other differences?
Martin Tijdgat, à 2014-07-26 20:28:13, a dit:
Maarten,

Je zegt het; de vorm is zo duidelijk afwijkend en kenmerkend voor Serotina de Selys. Jongere exemplaren kunnen oppervlakkig worden verward met Italiaanse populieren. Maar ronde wortelaanzetten, ronde stammen en takken en de bast zijn zo afwijkend. Zie boek Leo voor detailkenmerken twijg en blad.

Maarten Windemuller, à 2014-07-26 21:49:36, a dit:
Martin, ik heb wat oude foto's en ansichtkaarten opgezocht uit die omgeving, stuur ik je strks per mail toe.
Nardo Kaandorp, à 2014-08-14 11:15:05, a dit:
Schitterende boom, maar ik ben niet overtuigd dat het een Serotina de Selys is. Deze boom lijkt niet op de boom die ik vorig jaar in Maastricht ontdekte. Zie peuplier hybride euraméricain (Populus × canadensis) '13617' (blijft jammer dat je niet op cultivars kunt zoeken op MT)

De stam van de boom in Maastricht is helemaal rond met diepe schorsplaten. De eerste takken beginnen pas hoog aan de stam. Misschien dat ik nog een foto heb van het blad.

Martin Tijdgat, à 2014-08-14 12:00:06, a dit:
Nardo en andere MT-ers,

Zal de foto's van de Selysen van de Montesorri-school aan de Lindenlaan in Amstelveen nog in MT zetten. Dan zie je duidelijk meer overeenkomsten met deze Zweedse boom.. Daar langs de Lindenlaan staan meer bijzondere populierenklonen uit ongeveer 1960, waaronder ook de cv Serotina. Verschillen in schorspatronen willen in andere klimaten of op andere grondsoorten nog wel eens variëren.

Maarten Windemuller, à 2014-08-14 12:12:53, a dit:
Information of the community Stängnäs: The tree was planted in 1938. There is not registered any subspecies of P.x canadensis.
Nardo Kaandorp, à 2014-08-14 18:54:01, a dit:
Ik heb nog een paar (onscherpe) foto's van het blad gevonden van de boom in Maastricht. Toch wel een paar verschillen te zien. De onderkant van het blad is rechter en het blad loopt niet uit in een puntje. Ik ben benieuwd naar die bomen in Amstelveen.

Wim Brinkerink, à 2014-08-14 15:32:03, a dit:
Hallo Small65 Ik was deze week in 's Graveland. Ik heb ook dit rijtje moerascipressen gezien en gemeten. Mijn bevindingen kloppen niet met de jouwe. Ik meen ongeveer 10 bomen gezien te hebben en ik heb één boom gemeten. Deze mat 341 cm op 1,30. Ik weet het niet meer zeker, maar ik geloof dat het de derde in de rij was. Ik heb hem wel afzonderlijk gefotografeerd. Ik heb ook het rijtje gefotografeerd. Ik zal de foto's even voorlopig aan jouw boom toevoegen zodat je ze kunt zien.Ik kan slecht uit de voeten met jouw meting van 303 cm. Kan dat fout zijn? Of kun je de dikste gemist hebben? Voorlopig voer ik de foto's even op en we spreken elkaar later.

Wim



Scholem Alejchem, à 2014-08-12 12:01:09, a dit:
Hallo, Dass dieser Baum nur 1,98 UMFANG hat, kann ich nicht glauben, wenn er gleichzeitig fast 150 Jahre alt sein soll. Ich denke, das sollte Durchmesser heissen, oder?`

lg Scholem

nirbik1, à 2014-08-12 12:39:26, édité à 2014-08-12 14:51:38, a dit:
Hallo,

Sie haben völlig recht. Danke für Ihre Aufmerksamheit. Ich werde es ändern.Stammumfang ist 7,76 m und der Brusthöhenbdurchmesser ist 2,26 m.

freundliche Grüße


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Scholem Alejchem, à 2014-08-11 09:03:25, a dit:
Hallo Leute

Falls es einen Oberösterreicher, Salzburger oder reiselustigen Bayern hier gibt, wäre ein Ausflug an den Mondsee zu empfehlen, wo auf exakt 47.814988, 13.400745 ein großer Alter BMB der Entdeckung harrt. Ich habe Photos davon gesehen aber es ist mir ein bisserl zu weit heuer.

liebe Grüße

Scholem

Foto aus Facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/seehof.mondsee/photos/pb.117992174879007.-2207520000.1407746639./772579059420312/?type=3&theater



TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, à 2014-08-10 20:23:35, a dit:
Hello Tim,

I wanted to upload this picture for Boughton Park (the site) rather than for this individual tree, but that function does not seem to be working at the moment?

Owen

Tim, à 2014-08-11 05:57:04, a dit:
Hi Owen,

thanks for letting me know. I'll have a look soon when I have some time for this. In the meantime I have relinked this photo for you to Boughton Park (general location).

Thanks,

Tim


Frank Gyssling, à 2014-08-05 11:15:23, a dit:
wirklich, sehr gelungenes Foto
Tim B, à 2014-08-06 15:16:37, a dit:
Indeed, this is a very fine photograph.

Thanks for adding!

Kind regards,

Tim


Frank Gyssling, à 2014-08-05 16:58:13, a dit:
hervorragend!

Frank Gyssling, à 2014-08-05 11:24:36, a dit:
Ich würde das Foto noch entzerren so daß Schild und Strommast gerade stehen, wie es auch das Auge in der Natur warnimmt. Damit würde die "Schöne Eiche" mit wenigen Klicks noch schöner ;-).
Rainer Lippert, à 2014-08-05 16:25:02, a dit:
Hallo Frank,

entspricht jetzt dieses Bild deine Vorstellungen ;-)


Viele Grüße,

Rainer

Wim Brinkerink, à 2014-08-05 16:46:26, a dit:
Very beautiful tree..

Wim Brinkerink, à 2014-08-02 13:29:16, a dit:
Als je deze foto uit 2014 vergelijkt met die uit 2012 van Jeroen Philiponna en 2010 van Leo Goudzwaard, zie je dat er een flinke tak uit de kruin is gebroken. Volgens de pachter van de boerderij ernaast is dat in het voorjaar van 2014 gebeurd. Een deel ligt naast de boom. Het lijkt me dat dat niet het gehele uitgebroken deel is.
WiPe, à 2014-08-04 18:24:23, a dit:
Dat takken uitbreken is op zich geen probleem. Integendeel zelfs, het hoort bij de normale groei van de boom. Doordat takken uitbreken kan de boom zich verjongen, geraakt hij van het overgewicht in de kruin af en kan hij hol worden, waardoor hij minder zwaar en sterker wordt.

start58now, à 2014-07-29 21:07:32, a dit:
Look at the big horizontal limbs of this oak tree. We have several of these trees with such limb growth orientations.

G Huber

ssnjoff, à 2014-08-04 06:50:33, a dit:
I do not know much about the trees in general but this one I adore. It is isolated and only visited by tourists in summer.

So I come to visit it more often when not the season.

The limb on the left is even longer but my lens were not wide enough btw...


Frank, à 2014-08-01 12:36:53, a dit:
Hallo Wim,

ik denk dat is geen Sequoiadendron maar een Sequoia. En bij deze dikte zou de boom uit de jaren 185x kunnen zijn.

Groeten uit Duitsland,

Frank

Conifers, à 2014-08-01 16:54:59, a dit:
Agree, it is Sequoia sempervirens
Wim Brinkerink, à 2014-08-01 18:52:50, a dit:
Thank you both, I've changed the species.
Jeroen Philippona, à 2014-08-02 08:33:34, a dit:
Hi Wim,

About the girth-measurement: indeed we propose to measure at 1.30 m above the centre of the tree, for some countries (the UK and Belgium at least) at 1.50 m above the centre / the medium level of the gound around the trunk. This method is also advised by the Native Tree Society of the USA, wich is among the most experienced groups in measurement of big trees. You measured this tree at 1.00 m above the high point around the tree. That could be a good alternative when it it is difficult to decide what is the medium level.

Measuring from the low point around the trunk is not advisable, in big trees the vertical difference between low and high point can be more than 2 meters, in that case 1.3 m above the low point is not possible to measure.

Several groups (for example the Tree Register of the British Isles) measure (at 1.3 or 1.5 m) above the high point, but for trees on a slope this often does not do justice to a heavy trunk below the high point, so that they have a disadvantage compared to trees on level ground.

Jeroen


Ive Verachtert, à 2014-07-31 12:25:53, a dit:
31 juli 2014

Stamomtrek : 16 cm.

Kroon : 90 cm.

Hoogte : 1,65 m.

Leo Goudzwaard, à 2014-07-31 19:28:09, a dit:
beste Ive,

deze boom hoort nog niet thuis op MT. Er zijn vast wel oudere en mooiere bomen in je omgeving te vinden.


start58now, à 2014-07-29 20:59:58, a dit:
Look at much growth is at the one side of the tree - or so it seems.

G Huber

Wim Brinkerink, à 2014-07-30 12:20:34, a dit:
Yes the tree has bended sidewards. There are some big Holm Oaks next to it, so the tree bended to the direction where there is more room.
start58now, à 2014-07-30 12:25:38, a dit:
But the extreme growth to the one side is very unusual - I wonder if the tree did lose some significant branches at its right.

No matter - it is a great tree.

Greg Huber


start58now, à 2014-07-29 21:12:23, a dit:
This is a very beautifully formed tree.

G Huber

Wim Brinkerink, à 2014-07-30 12:18:57, a dit:
Agree. This is how I like them.

start58now, à 2014-07-29 21:26:05, a dit:
So lucky are they.

GDH


start58now, à 2014-07-29 21:18:16, a dit:
Look at the amazing base of this tree.

G Huber


Scholem Alejchem, à 2013-02-06 11:08:37, a dit:
Na Bumm!

Geführte Wanderung?

Acerus, à 2013-02-06 15:00:00, a dit:
Auf eigene faust-wanderung^^
Scholem Alejchem, à 2013-02-06 17:07:55, a dit:
Mutig, aber...
start58now, à 2014-07-29 21:17:21, a dit:
Learned about sessile oaks many years and here is a wonderful example.

G Huber


KoutaR, à 2012-10-25 06:02:18, a dit:
Hi MColombari1,

Thank you for adding these trees to MT! According to the coordinates this tree seems to be located in Prašnik Special Reserve: http://www.monumentaltrees.com/en/hrv/centraleastern/brodposavina/4244_forest/

Is that right?

According to Wikipedia, Novi Varoš and Okučani are located in Brod-Posavina County, not in Sisak-Moslavina County. Do you agree?

http://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novi_Varo%C5%A1 http://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oku%C4%8Dani

Kouta

MColombari1, à 2012-10-25 07:03:47, a dit:
yes it is in Prasnik special reserv. And i'm wrong, okucani are located in brod-posavina.

Sorry and tank you.

Massimo

start58now, à 2014-07-29 21:15:18, a dit:
An unusual named oak tree but a very good one.

G HUber


Maarten Windemuller, à 2011-04-20 20:28:49, a dit:
Bij een Thuja plicata heb ik een heel ander beeld, zie http://www.muenster.org/na-tour-denkmal/images/stories/fotos/UKTour2/2009_Stourhead-thuja.jpg.

De blaadjes aan deze boom doen uit de verte een beetje denken aan Nothofagus moorei (?).

Maarten

Tim B, à 2011-04-25 21:23:00, a dit:
Inderdaad, zo zag ik ze ook lange tijd. Deze boom staat echter onder meer in het boek "Forest Giants of the Pacific Coast" van de fanatieke boommeter Robert Van Pelt als een Western Redcedar. De kans is quasi onbestaande dat hij zich vergist van soort. In het boek staat ook dit: "Even though this gnarliest of cedars is only partly alive, it provides support for a whole aerial garden -- including two full-size hemlock trees." Misschien zijn de blaadjes die zichtbaar zijn niet van de boom in kwestie.

Groeten,

Tim

Maarten Windemuller, à 2011-04-25 22:16:01, a dit:
Dat laatste moet dan het geval zijn. Misschien zelf maar een keer gaan kijken.

groet,

Maarten

start58now, à 2014-07-29 21:13:28, a dit:
Sweet young girl in front of a very sweet tree.

G Huber


start58now, à 2014-07-29 21:05:39, a dit:
Finally we get to see some of the view in the Grove of Titans

I am honored for certain.

G Huber


start58now, à 2014-07-29 21:01:50, a dit:
May the biggest and best of Sugar pines last a very long time.

G Huber


Tim B, à 2012-09-29 07:41:27, a dit:
That's an amazing shot! Thanks and welcome at the site, Milan.

Kind regards,

Tim

milan, à 2012-09-29 09:03:17, a dit:
Thank you Tim.
start58now, à 2014-07-29 20:56:10, a dit:
Great oak - may it last another 200 years. I wonder how may feet in DBH is it.

G Huber


start58now, à 2014-07-29 20:53:30, a dit:
God bless that you found and measured this great tree - G Huber

Srtorralba, à 2014-07-29 17:39:48, a dit:
En mis visitas a Vilanova siempre había oído comentar que la "Olivera d'en Jeroni" era la más grande del término municipal y creo que el Olivar de Olzina debe ser el que después por herencia (?) debió ser propiedad de Jerónimo Valls Olzina y el "camí de l'Olivera d'en Jeroni" es citado en un folleto turístico de la Comunidad valenciana destinado a la ruta "Vilanova - Mas de Calaf" lo que me hace pensar que dicho olivar se encontraba en una finca llamada la "Covantoll".

Sé que pocos datos aporto pero, me gustaría contrastar la información que tienen fotógrafo y redactor para intentar reconstruir lo más real de esta historia.

Por lo que deduzco que el olivo desapareció durant la época de los años 70 del pasado siglo



j1g2a3n4d5e6r, à 2014-07-28 15:43:02, a dit:
This church and the yew tree are in the county of Sussex not Surrey. I wish you would amend your records as the facts are incorrect

WiPe, à 2014-07-28 17:30:15, édité à 2014-07-29 09:11:12, a dit:
It appears to me that this record is correct. Can it be possible that you have been confusing Crowhurst, Surrey l'église de Saint-Georges and Crowhurst, East Sussex parish churchyard?

j1g2a3n4d5e6r, à 2014-07-29 16:16:14, a dit:
I do apologise for my error. Having recently visited the parish church in Crowhurst East Sussex & seen the magnificent oak tree I though that was the one you were referring to. I am amazed that there are 2 churches & villages with the same names & such old oak trees. Once again I am sorry if I have caused confusion but many thanks for your prompt reply.

Jean



j1g2a3n4d5e6r, à 2014-07-29 16:11:30, a dit:
Many apologies. I have just visited the Parish Church in Crowhurst East Sussex & had seen the magnificent oak tree. I mistakenly thought that was the one you were referring to. Amazing that there should be 2 churches & villages with such magnificent old trees with the same name. Once again I am sorry to have sent the wrong information but many thanks for replying to me.

Jean



Tiziano Rootman Fratus, à 2014-07-29 07:12:15, a dit:
A Tree Seeker with Twin Sequoia Tree, the largest coastal sequoia specimen in Italy.

Tiziano Rootman Fratus, à 2014-07-29 07:08:59, a dit:
The Monumentality of Twin Sequoia Tree, heart of Little California Wood.

Sly, à 2014-07-28 16:38:36, a dit:
Bonjour,

Je suis graphiste et suis en train de réaliser des panneaux didactiques pour un sentier dans le Jura Suisse. Un de ces panneaux est consacré au chêne et nous aimerions utiliser une de vos images du chêne des bosses. Celle où on le voit en entier. La photo est de Jeroen Philippona. Est-ce que ce serait envisageable et sous quelles conditions?

Nous aimerions finaliser ces panneaux pendant ce mois d'août.

Merci d'avance pour votre réponse.

Meilleures salutations

Sylvain Bruschweiler

s.bruschweiler@gmail.com

s.bruschweiler@yahoo.fr



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Tim, à 2014-07-27 10:46:37, a dit:
Hello Rumpala,

thanks for uploading so many great pictures of great trees!

Most of the images however are not linked to the specific tree that is shown in the image, so the species is not shown on the image pages. This is probably because you did not select the option "Specific tree", but selected "Certain location without a specific tree visible".

Would it be possible to select "Specific tree" when uploading future images?

Keep up the good work :)

Kind regards and thanks,

Tim



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Tim, à 2014-07-27 10:21:05, a dit:
Hi,

it is now also possible to add trees in Norway.

For all those who sent me a mail or mails, I just came back from holidays and will need some time to work through these, so please be patient.

Kind regards,

Tim



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ats, à 2014-07-25 20:53:45, a dit:
Hi anyone or Francis,

Please advise what kind and where to find a Rootstock or compatible kind for Durian grafting.

Thank you very much.

My contact: info@atsats.com

Regards,

Paul



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ats, à 2014-07-25 20:50:41, a dit:
Hi anyone or Francis,

Please advise what kind and where to find a Rootstock or compatible kind for Durian grafting.

Thank you very much.

My contact: info@atsats.com

Regards,

Paul



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ats, à 2014-07-25 20:48:36, a dit:
Hi Francis or anyone,

This brief note serves as a request if anyone knows or Mr. Francis Chung receives.

What kind and where to find (to buy) a Rootstock (or compatible) for Durian grafting. I have MongThon tree from Thailand.

Thank you very much

info@atsats.com

Paul



Conifers, à 2014-07-12 22:43:45, a dit:
This isn't Malus sieversii - that is the direct ancestor of orchard apples, and has much larger fruit (see e.g. here).

Could be a Malus × purpurea cultivar. Maybe a case of labels swapped by vandals?

Rayn, à 2014-07-13 06:57:39, a dit:
Without knowledge about cultivars, but I bet it's hard to find larger fruit in june in Sweden... Maybe in august/september?
Martin Tijdgat, à 2014-07-13 07:23:40, a dit:
Maarten, Conifers and Rayn,

This Malus-cultivar looks to be M. 'Hopa', if I compare the color and shape of the fruits.

Maarten Windemuller, à 2014-07-13 08:51:49, édité à 2014-07-13 10:43:33, a dit:
Thanks for the comments. The shield at the tree might be a 'student joke' or some mistake which has not yet been noted. I'll contact the management of the garden if they are sure about the name.
Conifers, à 2014-07-23 20:13:31, a dit:
Hi Maarten - thanks for the extra info on this! Interestingly (for my comment above) Malus 'Niedzwetzkyana' is one of the parents of Malus × purpurea (so I wasn't so far out, either! ;-)

According to W J Bean, 'Niedzwetzkyana' is not much grown now due to its susceptibility to apple scab disease.

Maarten Windemuller, à 2014-07-23 22:26:33, a dit:
Hei Conifers, Thank you too, pleasure to find out things, LifeLongLearning.
Conifers, à 2014-07-25 18:20:41, a dit:
Hi Maarten - I've just noticed that MT already has an entry for Malus niedzwetskyana (as a species). I'd guess best transfer this tree there, until Tim can sort out the name fully.
Maarten Windemuller, à 2014-07-25 19:15:05, a dit:
Conifers, Thanks, I changed it.

Wim Brinkerink, à 2014-07-25 16:32:36, a dit:
mooi

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loonen48, à 2014-05-16 18:37:28, a dit:
Als ik een foto wil gebruiken voor een publicatie, hoe zit het dan met de licentie?

Maria


Leo Goudzwaard, à 2014-05-17 15:35:23, a dit:
De foto's op MT zijn en blijven eigendom van de fotograaf. Je moet dus altijd eerst toestemming aan de eigenaar van de foto vragen, Leo

loonen48, à 2014-07-24 19:24:31, a dit:
Streekmuseum Lingewaard gaat een boekje uitgeven over de 1000-jarige eik bij kasteel de Doornenburg. Het boekje is geschreven door Denis Schils. In het boekje worden o.a. vergelijkingen gemaakt met andere oude eiken waaronder de kroezeboom in Ruurlo. Wij zouden als illustratie graag de foto gebruiken van Leo Goudzwaard. Streekmuseum Lingewaard is een stichting die geen structurele subsidie ontvangt. Wij vragen projectsubsidies aan als wij iets willen uitgeven. We maken ook geen winst. Het zou dan ook geweldig zijn als u, Leo Goudzwaard, de foto gratis ter beschikking zou willen stellen. Nog mooier zou zijn als u daarvan een groter bestand zou kunnen leveren dan zo van internet te halen is.

Ik wacht uw antwoord af,

Met vriendelijke groet, Maria Loonen, streekmuseum Lingewaard.


loonen48, à 2014-07-24 19:25:46, a dit:
Ter aanvulling: mijn mailadres is: maria.loonen@planet.nl


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Conifers, à 2014-07-23 20:21:37, a dit:
A technical point: as these trees are seed-grown (self-sown), they are Fagus sylvatica f. tortuosa, and not the cultivar 'Suenteliensis', which to be true to name can only be propagated clonally by grafting.

Martin Tijdgat, à 2014-07-23 22:03:10, édité à 2014-07-23 22:04:25, a dit:
Conifers,

Thanks for this. You are absolutely right; this is the naturaly occuring forma tortuosa. I had the same type of discussion with Fagus sylvatica 'Asplenifolia'.or 'Laciniata'. This leafform also occurs naturaly and has been grafted under a few different names.


Maarten Windemuller, à 2014-07-23 22:17:54, édité à 2014-07-24 08:50:18, a dit:
Thanks, that's true, it's not a clone. I changed name. New problem: I cannot get a small "f" before tortuosa. The system automatically generates a capital F. Will ask Tim to change it. But what must we think about the oak, MT nr. 18706? :)


Wim Brinkerink, à 2014-07-22 16:02:27, a dit:
Nieuws over deze boom. Ik weet niet of dit tot tevredenheid moet stemmen, maar....

http://boomzorg.nl/nieuws.asp?id=19-10019

Oordeel zelf


Maarten Windemuller, à 2014-07-22 19:55:13, a dit:
Wim,

Ik las het artikel vanmiddag en vroeg me af of het dezelfde boom was waar jij enige tijd geleden melding van maakte ihk van dijkverzwaring & bomen. Gezien de foto bij het artikel leek het me een heel andere boom.

Groet, Maarten


Wim Brinkerink, à 2014-07-23 08:36:14, a dit:
Hallo Maarten,

In eerste instantie dacht ik het zelfde, maar ik ben de rivier op die plek een flink stuk langs gefietst. Er staat geen andere monumentale boom, dus hij moet het wel zijn. (Ik kan het artikel overigens niet meer terugvinden)

Groet

WIm


Wim Brinkerink, à 2014-07-23 08:38:44, a dit:
Ik kon het artikel weer vinden. Volgens mij is er een foute (wellicht willekeurige) foto gebruikt.

Wim


Maarten Windemuller, à 2014-07-23 09:57:45, a dit:
Aan het huisnummer te zien wel dezelfde boom:http://goo.gl/Lh6V06. Slordig van de redactie van het gisteren aangehaalde artikel om daar een willekeurige foto bij te zetten. Zijn we op deze site niet gewend.


Wim Brinkerink, à 2014-07-18 22:19:47, a dit:
sorry voor de slechte fotokwaliteit, maar te belangrijk om niet te noemen. Op deze mammoet trof ik de coloradokever aan. De kever die bezig is met het vernietigen van een boom in de Ardennen, waar ik eerder aandacht voor vroeg. Boom in Waulsort. séquoia géant (Sequoiadendron giganteum) '17403'
Conifers, à 2014-07-19 10:11:55, a dit:
Hi Wim - this is Pyrrhocoris apterus. Not dangerous to trees, and not the beetle Leptinotarsa decemlineata which damages potato crops.
Martin Tijdgat, à 2014-07-20 08:10:41, a dit:
Wim,

Als ik je foto bekijk dan zie ik een vuurwants. Dat is een sapzuiger en vrij onschadelijk. In Loosdrecht al meermalena in grote groepen aangetroffen op Amerikaanse linde.

Wim Brinkerink, à 2014-07-23 08:40:12, a dit:
Thanks Martin en Conifers.

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Wim Brinkerink, à 2014-07-22 16:17:40, a dit:
Hi allen,

Ik wil jullie graag deelgenoot maken van een leuke ervaring. Een kennis van me, directeur bij de Tu Delft, heeft recent mij met mijn werk voor monumentale bomen, met name voor monumentaltrees en voor de Bomenstichting, voorgedragen als kandidaat voor de monumentenprijs Wassenaar 2014. Inmiddels heb ik een uitslag van de werkgroep die advies uitbrengt aan B&W. Ik ben genomineerd (als één van de drie). Binnenkort ga ik met wat mensen langs plekjes en bomen die ik ihkv monumentale bomen belangrijk vindt. Er zal hier uiteraard in de pers aandacht aan worden besteed. Op monumentendag (2e weekend van september) wordt de winnaar bekend gemaakt. Of ik nou win of niet ,maakt me niet zo veel uit. Wel vind ik het leuk om monumentale bomen onder de aandacht te brengen van een groot publiek. Jullie horen nog van me.

Wim Brinkerink


Bess, à 2014-07-22 18:21:09, a dit:
Dat is heel erg leuk! Veel succes!!


elisa45at, à 2014-03-15 18:58:32, édité à 2014-03-15 19:00:53, a dit:
Der Baum 16510 steht teilweise auf meinem Privatgründstück. Ich finde es irgendwie eigenartig, dass dieser Baum am 10. Februar fotogfiert wird und ich wenig später eine Aufforderung von der Straßenmeisterei erhalte, dass der Baum möglicherweise umgeschnitten gehört. Da könnte man fast meinen, es will jemand den Baum kaufen. Schreckt die menschliche Gier vor nichts mehr zurück. In China werden solche Bäume geschützt, da man denkt, es wohnten die Ahnen darin. Das Holz dieses Baumes ist ziemlich viel wert. Ironie: Ich soll das Umschneiden dieses Naturdenkmals bezahlen!!!

Kann man nur hoffen, dass die Geschäftemacher die Seelen der gefällten Bäume bis in ihre Träume verfolgen.Ich bin empört! Danke auf alle Fälle für die tollen Fotos.

Scholem Alejchem, à 2014-03-16 12:52:16, a dit:
Was hat die Strassenmeisterei dort verloren, ich denke, der steht auf NP-Gebiet.
elisa45at, à 2014-03-16 13:07:09, a dit:
Hallo Alejchem,

leider ist das nicht so. Es wird behauptet, der Baum gehört zu zwei Drittel mir, das restliche Drittel der Straße, also dem Land Niederösterreich.

Ich danke dir jedenfalls recht herzlich für das Foto und hoffe, der Baum ist noch zu retten.

Mir wäre am leibsten, dass der Parkplatz gesperrt wird und der Wanderweg 7, bis Klarheit geschaffen ist, was mit dem Baum weiter passiert. Wenn ihr Zeit habt kommt morgen 17.3. um 11 Uhr zum Baum, da gibt es eine Besprechung mit Straßenmeisterei und Oberförster. Ihr könnt das alles gerne hier mit Fotos dokumentieren. Der Baum soll gestutz werden, da gehören aus meiner Sicht ein Landschaftsplaner und Baumdoktor her, nicht ein Straßenmeister. Da der Baum zwei Drittel mir gehört, verbiete ich einfach ihn umzuschneiden, basta, und vor allem ihn irgendwie zurecht zu stutzen. Danke, dass du dich gleich gemeldet hast.

Scholem Alejchem, à 2014-03-16 14:33:23, a dit:
Ich hab leider derzeit kaum Zeit, aber ein Tipp,.alle Anwesenden fotografieren, damit sich keiner rausreden kann, falls Schwachsinn Methode wird.
elisa45at, à 2014-03-16 15:45:14, a dit:
Ich versuche jetzt die Republik wegen Verstoß gegen das Naturschutzgesetz § 5 zu klagen. Der Baum war als Naturdenkmal geschützt und er wurde plötzlich von heute auf morgen zum Nicht-Naturdenkmal erklärt. Ich farge mich, wei das bei einem solchen Baum geht.

Damit zeigt die republik, dass sie vom Aussterben bedrohte Arten nicht schützt, da sie sie nicht pflegt, wie es notwendig wäre.

Dafür bekommt sie ja von der Eu Fördergeld.

Scholem Alejchem, à 2014-03-16 20:12:01, a dit:
Ich schätze Mal, daß da die gleichen Brucker Hansln verantwortlich sind, wie beim Aukönig und bei den Leitha-Auen-Abholzungen. Von der Größe her schätz ich Mal, daß er so 120-150 Jahre alt sein wird und eine der letzten gesunden Schwarzpappeln. Wozu also das ganze dienen soll, nur weil ein paar Deppen hinten gezündelt haben, fällt so ein Baum nicht wirklich um.
elisa45at, à 2014-03-18 07:39:44, a dit:
Laut Aussagen der Straßenmeisterei stellt der Baum ein Gefahr dar.

Ich bin mir da nicht so sicher. Hast du Erfahrungswerte mit alten Bäumen? Was sagst du zu dem Fall? Du hast den Baum ja gesehen.

Er ist unten am Stamm schon ziemkich düeftig, aber schließlich wird ein Baum ja auch von Wurzeln gehalten und oben ist er ziemlich grün.

elisa45at, à 2014-07-21 21:11:43, a dit:
Hier findet ihr meinen Blog zur Vernichtung der hier abgebildteten Pappel im Februar. http://urwaldnachrichten.wordpress.com/
Scholem Alejchem, à 2014-07-22 09:02:23, édité à 2014-07-22 09:04:12, a dit:
Danke

Ich habs in die Baumbeschreibung übernommen.

Vielleicht sollte man den Zuständigen mal mit den Geräten durch den Vorgarten fahren, obwohl durchs Haus wäre eher angebracht.....


Martin Tijdgat, à 2014-07-22 05:38:54, a dit:
ETT2009,

This tree is not a grey poplar, but a Canada poplar. Please can you change this?



Conifers, à 2014-07-21 21:40:57, a dit:
Populus × canadensis (I'm guessing a drop-down box data entry error?)
Han van Meegeren, à 2014-07-21 21:47:10, a dit:
I don't understand this message Conifers. Only I think this is a canadensis.

Han

Conifers, à 2014-07-21 22:07:24, a dit:
Hi Han - I mean that when entering the species name, you click on a drop-down menu, and it is easy to hit the name above or below by accident.
Martin Tijdgat, à 2014-07-22 00:17:49, a dit:
Hai Han,

Dit is geen grauwe abeel (P. x canescens), maar een Canadese populier (P. x canadensis). Pas jij de naam aan?

Han van Meegeren, à 2014-07-22 05:30:08, a dit:
Hi Conifers and Martin

I didn't register this tree. I only put some photo's of it. I don 't like to change otherone's registered trees.

Greetings Han


agnetanaus, à 2014-07-21 08:21:50, a dit:
Prachtig!
Han van Meegeren, à 2014-07-21 10:47:59, a dit:
Fraaie tuin hebben jullie Agneta. Met een groet van 'bomenliefhebber' Han van Meegeren

Alberto Cuervo Flores, à 2014-07-20 08:00:58, a dit:
Wim,

Dat mooi plaatje, en nog veel meer prachtige eiken!

Wim Brinkerink, à 2014-07-20 09:06:56, a dit:
Thanks

Rayn, à 2014-07-20 08:56:04, a dit:
This tree seems to be the same as this one: http://www.monumentaltrees.com/en/gbr/england/cityoflondon/2366_greenpark/3834/

Photos of twigs and leafs would help species determination ;)

The sign says Oak anyway.



MoritzNagel, à 2014-07-17 14:39:54, a dit:
Hallo Frank,

ich glaube hierbei handelt es sich um ein Schwarzkiefer.

mfg Moritz

Conifers, à 2014-07-17 16:22:02, a dit:
Yes, agree Pinus nigra
Frank Gyssling, à 2014-07-17 22:13:21, a dit:
Hallo Moritz,

woran erkennst du hier die Schwarzkiefer?

viele Grüße Frank

MoritzNagel, à 2014-07-19 09:43:48, édité à 2014-07-19 09:44:50, a dit:
Ich bin ein bisschen dem Ausschlussverfahren gefolgt.

Für eine Waldkiefer hat der Baum eine viel zu dunkle Rinde. Die ist ja bei Pinus sylvestris eher rötlich.

Außerdem sind, meiner Ansicht nach die Triebe von P. sylvestris etwas zierlicher als bei P. nigra.

Ich ich da kein Experte wie Conifers. Es hätte natürlich auch eine andere Kiefer sein können.

Aber Waldkiefer konnte ich definitiv ausschließen und Schwarzkiefer war das naheliegendste.


Wim Brinkerink, à 2014-07-18 22:15:24, a dit:
Juli 2014

Frank Gyssling, à 2014-07-17 22:26:30, a dit:
Ich bin mir nicht sicher. Es könnte auch eine europäische Lärche sein.
Conifers, à 2014-07-18 14:40:49, a dit:
Can you get a close-up of the cones?

From the branch structire, it looks intermediate, so it might be Larix × marschlinsii (the hybrid between European and Japanese), but that is not certain.


Alberto Cuervo Flores, à 2014-07-18 14:24:05, a dit:
Beatiful.

Frank Gyssling, à 2014-07-18 11:37:26, a dit:
Herrenhaus Stülpe

KoutaR, à 2014-07-04 13:57:37, a dit:
Sisley,

Was this tree really climbed on 2013-06-20 and is 57,7 m really achieved by tape drop? If I recall correctly, the height was first over 58 m and you corrected it after we said the height must be measured to the average ground level, not to the lowest ground level.


Sisley, à 2014-07-04 19:12:04, a dit:
Yes he was achieved by tape drop by the team of climbers in june 2013.

My first measure was made by laser and she was wrong because the I taked the lowest point of the trunk base.


KoutaR, à 2014-07-04 19:28:08, a dit:
Thanks, Sisley!

I proposed in the case of the Oak of Ivenack (chêne pédonculé (Quercus robur) '1758') that if a tree has been measured by a reliable method (tape or laser), height measurements made by an unreliable method should not be added.

It is an equivalent case with this tree. Tape measurement has been universally considered as the most accurate and reliable method. I propose that a laser-measurement should not be added if a former tape measurement proves that the laser-measurement is inaccurate like in this case. Or is the top broken?


Rainer Lippert, à 2014-07-04 19:57:20, a dit:
Hallo Kouta und Sisley,

entscheidend bei Tape-Drop ist aber auch, wie genau der Nullpunkt unten gemessen wurde. Steht der Baum am Hang, kann das schon eine Differenz ausmachen, wenn man unten ohne genauem Messgerät den Nullpunkt bestimmt. Und auch oben können beim Tape-Drop noch Probleme auftreten, den tatsächlich höchsten Trieb zu erwischen. Karlheinz ist hier zweimal hochgeklettert:http://www.monumentaltrees.com/de/bericht/1027/

Beidemal hatten wir da die Probleme bei der Abtastung der Spitze. Also auch da kann es zu Fehlern kommen. Also nicht zwingend muss Tape-Drop die genaueste Messung darstellen. Das Equipment von Karlheinz, also TruPulse 200X auf Stativ zur Spitze und Basis, und Leica Disto D8 vom Stativ aus zur Nullpunktbestimmung, sehe ich schon als sehr genau an. Eventuell genauer als Tape-Drop, wo nicht bekannt ist, wie exakt der Nullpunkt unten bestimmt worden ist und wie sich oben die Spitzenabtastung gestaltete.

Viele Grüße,

Rainer


KoutaR, à 2014-07-04 20:21:16, édité à 2014-07-04 20:22:06, a dit:
Sisley, could you ask the measurers, how they defined the average ground level? Did they measure or estimate it? If estimated, that can really make an error, though likely not 1.4 m.

I believe it that Karlheinz had problems with measuring the top in tape measurement - one year ago he had no idea how to do that, until Michael Spraggon explained it to him.

The distance measuring of the 200X and Disto is undoubtely top-accurate, but the angle measurement not so. It may result in a ~50 cm error. We have already discussed this and the measurement gurus of NTS (Bob Leverett) have indirectly confirmed it.


Karlheinz, à 2014-07-04 20:52:39, a dit:
The sequoias in Ribeauvillé and Niederbronn I measured about one to two meters less in height than my predecessors. That surprises me a lot. I have no explanation. The measurement conditions especially at the trees '12175 'and '8217' were good. I had a clear view simultaneously to the tree top and to a marker nearby the base. The measurement was performed with TruPulse 200X on tripod.

greetings, Karlheinz


Karlheinz, à 2014-07-04 22:29:30, a dit:
Kouta, your statement about accuracy of angle measurement with TruPulse 200X and Leica Disto D8 I can not confirm. In my earlier tests both clinometers matched very accurate. The measurement accuracy of the TruPulse is rather limited by the width of the laser beam, which does not allow pinpoint accuracy aiming at small targets.

Sisley, where is your home location? Maybe we could once meet somewhere in the middle, and together measure a tall tree.

Karlheinz


KoutaR, à 2014-07-05 06:18:23, a dit:
http://www.ents-bbs.org/viewtopic.php?f=235&t=5517&start=20

Message #30 and onwards.


KoutaR, à 2014-07-05 06:33:59, a dit:
One possible explanation is that Pierron & Thomas have measured the tree to the lowest ground level like Sisley did at the beginning. Sisley, what do you think about this? Is it a usual way in France to measure trees to the lowest ground level = "low slope point"?

Sisley, à 2014-07-05 19:38:55, a dit:
Hi, all poeple !

I know that the climbers measure from the top to the middle slop point.

L.Pierron said me his method, and my first measure of the sequoia of Ribeauvillé was 58,10 m at the low trunk point.

If I subtract approximately 0,75 m to join the middle slop point we find 57,35 m.

For the mapple tree it maybe possible that the real tope was not targeted ? I know, it was not obvious to found him without the leaves, therefore with the top is more hidden.

The tallest Douglas of Ribeauvillé was measured by tape of drop, 60,5 m, I found 62 m(measure not changed in page)and I see, Karlheinz found 61,5 m. The difference is not very important.

And for the trees near Niederbronn, my results were not so good, it was the first measures with laser and I did'nt have take the middle slop point.

The more important point that I see for the mistakes, is that I don't have pattern surveyor to set against the trunk.

In many situations this object would have helped me.


Karlheinz, à 2014-07-05 22:13:50, a dit:
Last year I was in Ribeauvillé just on the go with Nikon. I had no other measurement equipment here. I did not think the readings for accurate enough to be entered into the data field for measurement. Only at the tallest Douglas of Ribeauvillé I brought a height value in the caption of the photo.

This year, I've come back, have brought my entire equipment and have done my best in the measurement. For base-determination on the slope ground I used the Leica Disto D8. As difference between low and high slope point at the sequoia of Ribeauvillé I determined 1.40 m, not much different from Sisley.


KoutaR, à 2014-07-06 08:30:53, a dit:
Without seeing the tree, I guess the difference is partly a consequence of different interpretations of the highest and lowest ground levels. On a steep slope it can make a big difference. And it is largely not up to used device but just interpretation.

In addition, the clinometer error of the 200X (max. +/-0.2° according to the user manual) may explain a part of the difference. Note that even if the device gives repeated the same angle, it does not mean the angle is correct. If my "one metre long" tape measure is too long, it gives repeated the same result but it is not correct.


Karlheinz, à 2014-07-06 10:51:02, a dit:
Kouta, I know that you think your Nikon 550 for the best instrument in the world! And I guess, Sisley also measures with Nikon, is that right? In the manual of my Nikon 550 I find no specification for clinometer error. Do you really think a manufacturer that conceals the error tolerance of his unit, has the higher quality sensor? The readings with Nikon have a greater range of variation compared to Leica and TruPulse and they are more dependent on interpretation by the measurer.

The Nikon is for our purposes certainly a recommendable device. But we should not expect any accuracy that can not give the unit. The competition between European record trees which are only a few decimeters apart is hardly to decide with Nikon.


KoutaR, à 2014-07-06 15:06:54, édité à 2014-07-06 15:08:41, a dit:
It is very clear that all the TruPulses are more accurate than Nikon. I have never denied it. But here we were comparing 200X vs. tape. Everybody can do a bit trigonometry and calculate how big height error can -0.2° error at the base and a +0.2° error at the top (the worst case) make. One could think that if the distance measurement is centimetre precise, height measuring is centimetre precise, too. I also believed so at first - for example, I wrote "Disto gives accurate distances to the nearest centimetre, so using a reference point did not decrease the accuracy" in my report about the tallest beech (http://www.monumentaltrees.com/en/report/772/). But the clinometers of these devices are simply not accurate enough for that accuracy. Karlheinz, could it be time to accept that. In Finland much cited is a statement of a former president: "the beginning of all the wisdom is the confession of the facts". And I am not speaking for Nikon, which is, of course, less accurate and less reliable. I would buy 200X, too, if it was much less than 1000€. I am ready to give 2000€ for a good camera but measuring is simply not important enough for me and has recently become still less important due to this like disputes.

Karlheinz, à 2014-07-07 09:25:34, a dit:
Tape drop as well as instrument measurements, both can be accurate or inaccurate. That depends very much on the care is measured by, how favorable are the measuring conditions in the individual case, and how accurate are the measuring devices. I can not say from the outset that a particular measurement method always results in the most accurate value. If all conditions are optimal, I would prefer the tape-drop measurement result to a Trupulse 200X measurement, presumed when tape drop it is possible to determine the residual height to treetop safely.

For Koutas presumption of an influential inaccuracy of the 200X tilt sensor there is no confirmation, not even in the forums of the NTS (ent-bbs.org). In my estimation, the fault tolerance of the TruPulse 200X is not based on the tilt sensor, but on the wide laser beam when it impinges on inclined or uneven surfaces. Who wants to know more about how I judge the accuracy of my instruments, can read about it in my article in the Bulletin of ENTS, Volume 9, 2014 "Testing Three Different Range Finder With Built in inclinometer": http://www.nativetreesociety.org/bulletin/b9_1-2/B_ENTS_v09_01&02.pdf


KoutaR, à 2014-07-07 11:50:59, a dit:
The source or "confirmation" for the tilt sensor accuracy/inaccuracy was the user manual. You once gave me this info yourself. Why I referred to the NTS forum was that you first claimed the tilt sensor error is always the same, thus the error at the treetop would counteract the error at the base. Then Bob said it implies to the mechanical clinometers only, and after that you stopped to claim that. Disto's tilt sensor accuracy is actually lower than that of 200X: -0.2°/+0.3° outside the room temperature, according to the user manual. You have not tested the tilt sensors yourself.

A wide beam is a further error source, indeed. (Yes, applies to Nikon, too.)

200X and Disto are great instruments without doubt, but they also have their limits. You once said the other measurers will hate you because you have better instruments. I don't think that is true. It is great that you have them and make accurate measurements. But it is strange that you sometimes make statements that are based on nothing being essentially "religious".


KoutaR, à 2014-07-08 07:44:11, a dit:
I found the old email of Karlheinz. The tilt sensor error of 200X is +/- 0.1 degrees "typical". Only Leica's user manual tolds how much adds low or high temperature. So this was my mistake.

RedRob, à 2014-07-08 17:09:19, a dit:
I thought that a 58 metre Sequoiadendron had been reported on here, a Scottish tree measurer called Chic Henderson recently measured the Sequoiadendron at Benmore as 56.4 metres which looked like the second tallest in Europe which I just couldn't re-find on here?

Karlheinz, à 2014-07-17 14:37:18, a dit:
Hello RedRob,

as you certainly noticed by now, we have conflicting readings. From the record sequoias in Benmore and along the Big Trees Walk Uig I miss individual photos. It seems unclear to me whether these trees can be identified on site at all. Under these circumstances, no one will take the long journey to go there and to confirm the measurements. Even from the highest Douglas firs in UK I can not find individual photos.


RedRob, à 2014-07-17 16:27:13, a dit:
Hello Karlheinz, the Sequioadendrons at Benmore were visited and re-measured a couple of months ago by David Alderman and Chic Henderson with matching Forestry Pro lasers. The Uig tree was 56.4 metres, 498cm girth, there is a photo of this tree on the TROBI site. The tree in the avenue at Benmore was 56.4 metres to the top, which was dead, 54 metres to the highest live part of the tree, 602 cm girth. The Sequoiadendron at Blair Atholl, Diana's Grove could be the tallest of all as it was 54.50 metres in 2007 with a long wispy spire tip. I believe that Chic Henderson will be visiting this at some point as he is systematically re-measuring the trees across Scotland (about to check a reputed 30 metre Juglans Regia measurement) Chic said that he might join MT so may post some photos.

Which Douglas Firs do you want photos of Karlheinz, the Reelig Glen tree and others are on here already?


Karlheinz, à 2014-07-17 23:02:53, édité à 2014-07-18 07:12:08, a dit:
Hello RedRob,

a photo from Benmore trees shows the "Avenue of Giant Redwoods." I can not identify the specific tree '1715' with the record size of 56.40 m. How can I find this particular tree? I mean, if a record tree is reported on MT, it should be described so accurately that it clearly can be located in the field without further Internet research.

The highest Douglas-fir in the UK is still the '15298 'in Reelig Glen with 66,40 m. The only photo on MT shows a group of trees. There is no photo, e.g. from the base of the trunk, that uniquely could identify this particular tree. The photo of the second highest Douglas-fir '15299' in Reelig Glen shows the same group of trees and again no individual picture of this tree. From the third highest Douglas-fir '15562' there not any photo is shown. When I am in Reelig Glen, how can I detect which is the respectively measured tree?



Frank Gyssling, à 2014-07-17 22:37:02, a dit:
Herrenhaus Märkisch Wilmersdorf, letzter Umbau im Tudorstil 1901-1903.

Bess, à 2014-07-17 21:08:25, a dit:
Welkom op monumentaltrees!

Frank Gyssling, à 2014-07-17 11:45:26, a dit:
Stamm verzweigt sich in Höhe ca. 1,4 m

Martin Tijdgat, à 2014-07-16 22:26:14, a dit:
Tim, Jeroen,

Waarom verschijnt bij deze locatie niet de beuk met het volgnummer, of de lokale naam??

Martin



Martin Tijdgat, à 2014-07-16 17:52:43, a dit:
Can anyone see what kind of tree this is??
Conifers, à 2014-07-16 18:31:29, a dit:
Fagus sylvatica
chrishoh, à 2014-07-16 18:55:15, a dit:
is this 3 trees merged together or grown from just one plant? is this area a pastoral forest, which farmers used to graze their cattle?
Conifers, à 2014-07-16 22:14:22, a dit:
One tree, but probably pollarded in the distant past.

Martin Tijdgat, à 2014-07-16 16:37:05, a dit:
Chrshoh,

Please remove and turn this picture before placing it again. It is to beautiful to leave it like this!

Conifers, à 2014-07-16 18:32:17, a dit:
Hi Martin - Tim can rotate it without deleting it

floriduscampus, à 2014-07-14 20:07:04, édité à 2014-07-15 15:44:54, a dit:
Een van de oerbomen die niet gekapt zijn door de kolonisten van Madeira (sinds 1420). Het betreft een stinklaurier. Prachtig gebied met vele oude bomen van het oorspronkelijke laurierwoud (Laurissilva) van Madeira. Vroeger was bijna het gehele eiland bedekt met verschillende laurierbomen met mossen en epifyten begroeid. Ongeveer 15-40 miljoen jaar geleden was bijna heel Zuid-Europa bedekt door laurierbos maar door de ijstijden zijn veel laurierbossen verdwenen. Bijna al het oorspronkelijke woud van Madeira is gekapt maar er staan wonderbaarlijk genoeg nog vele exemplaren op de hoogvlakte Paul da Serra waar vee tussen graast. Sommige bomen zijn gelukkig beschermd door gaas. Het is dus een relict van het vroegere oorspronkelijke oerbos van het eiland maar ook van miljoenen jaren terug!

Dit gebied staat op de UNESCO werelderfgoed lijst. Hierbij de omschrijving van het gebied op de website van UNESCO:

"The Laurisilva of Madeira is an outstanding relict of a previously widespread laurel forest type. It is the largest surviving area of laurel forest and is believed to be 90% primary forest. It contains a unique suite of plants and animals, including many endemic species such as the Madeiran long-toed pigeon."

Voor meer interessante weetjes:http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/934

Han van Meegeren, à 2014-07-14 20:46:34, a dit:
Prachtboom!

Han van Meegeren

Han van Meegeren, à 2014-07-14 20:49:34, a dit:
Er zijn weer vervelende stemmers aan de gang. Ik heb deze boom een 5 gegeven. Allereerst omdat het een boom is waar ik nog nooit van gehoord had, uniek! En ten tweede, eigenlijk ten eerste, omdat er weer zo vervelend gestemd wordt.

Gr Han

Rayn, à 2014-07-14 22:12:35, édité à 2014-07-14 22:21:50, a dit:
I agree with Han van Meegeren.

Got any more photo of this fascinating tree by any chance?

floriduscampus, à 2014-07-15 15:46:07, a dit:
Hoe kan ik meer foto's bijvoegen? Heb trouwens veel meer foto's van deze groep bomen.
Martin Tijdgat, à 2014-07-15 16:33:30, a dit:
Floriduscampus,

Bewerk eerst je foto's tot licht, compositie en kleur zo natuurlijk mogelijk zijn. Gelukt? Je kan dan de pagina van deze boom openen en vervolgen met "Upload foto's" zoveel foto's toevoegen die aan de info van deze boom wat toevoegen. Zijn andere bomen van deze groep apart de moeite waard, voeg ze dan als nieuwe boom toe. Enzovoort.

Zelf probeer ik altijd een foto bij te voegen die de boom van top tot teen laat zien, maar ook de kroonopbouw en bast van de boom. Liefst voeg ik een foto toe die twijg, blad en bloem of vrucht laat zien. Beide foto's geven vaak alle info die nodig is om de determinatie van de boom te verbeteren, als er twijfel over is. En wie twijfelt er af en toe niet over de correcte naamgeving van bomen.

Veel plezier op MT!

floriduscampus, à 2014-07-15 17:02:15, édité à 2014-07-15 17:03:49, a dit:
Bedankt voor de instructies, zal t.z.t. meer publiceren.

Hierbij alvast een Youtube-film van de naaste omgeving:

http://youtu.be/RDmM0aOvW-s

Martin Tijdgat, à 2014-07-15 17:14:00, édité à 2014-07-15 17:15:18, a dit:
Wauw, sfeervol filmpje! Wat een opmerkelijk stuk bos is dit in de mooie nevel.

Ik zie zo al een stuk of 5-10 bomen die in MT thuis horen. Heb je ook detailfoto's van baststructuur, bemoste takken, bebladerde twijgen, vruchten en bloeiwijzen? Ook voor mij een volstrekt onbekende boomsoort.

Han van Meegeren, à 2014-07-15 17:47:20, a dit:
Beste Hylco

Ik heb het filmpje gezien. jammer dat ik hier nog nooit ben geweest. Prachtig zeg! Ik zie dat Martin al geantwoord heeft over het uploaden van foto's . Laat maar komen wat mij betreft.

Groet van Han

Maarten Windemuller, à 2014-07-15 19:54:46, a dit:
Very special !
floriduscampus, à 2014-07-15 20:20:49, a dit:
Filmpje van de desbetreffende boom en omgeving:http://youtu.be/COHDHCbnqjA

BDW, à 2014-07-15 20:08:08, a dit:
Foto 2 juni 2007

Rayn, à 2014-07-15 16:21:11, a dit:
Very beautiful and impactful with the out of focus fence in the foreground!

Rayn, à 2014-07-14 19:48:46, a dit:
Googled out of curiosity to see the tree, is this the one? http://www.pueblos-espana.org/fotos_originales/3/1/5/00669315.jpg

Martin Tijdgat, à 2014-07-14 20:18:19, a dit:
This is the same picture I found, but it is in a different region

Alberto Cuervo Flores, à 2014-07-14 21:43:49, a dit:
Should be more because Quercus robur is an autochthonous species of the region (Cantabria).

Rayn, à 2014-07-14 22:20:33, édité à 2014-07-14 22:21:07, a dit:
I googled on "El roble gordo" which is what the tree is called according to the registration here at MT.

I have seen many beautiful photos of the Spanish oaks here at MT but unfortunately no photo of this giant with a reported girth of over 12 meters, hence my try at google.


MoritzNagel, à 2014-07-14 23:18:11, a dit:
You can search for "roble tumbado de Bujilices". This seems to be the tree. It is located in Ucieda.

So i guess this is the questioned tree.

Here is one of the photos for example. Very impressive!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/joaquin_camacho/6925265914/


Alberto Cuervo Flores, à 2014-07-15 05:48:42, a dit:
Impressive tree! Rayn, usually the biggest oak in one area, valley, village, called "Roble gordo de... or Roblón de ...", better then type the name of the site as a reference. Furthermore, also called "Roble" Quercus pyrenaica to many parts.

Rayn, à 2014-07-15 16:17:55, a dit:
Aha, thank you Alberto Cuervo Flores.


Conifers, à 2014-07-15 12:04:36, a dit:
Juniperus occidentalis

Conifers, à 2014-07-15 12:04:26, a dit:
Juniperus occidentalis

Conifers, à 2014-07-15 12:04:09, a dit:
Juniperus occidentalis

chrishoh, à 2014-07-15 10:03:18, a dit:
see the marmot?
Conifers, à 2014-07-15 12:03:35, a dit:
Under the Juniperus occidentalis in the foreground.

Conifers, à 2014-07-15 12:03:02, a dit:
Juniperus occidentalis

chrishoh, à 2014-07-15 09:27:30, a dit:
Worlds largest spruce tree !?!

chrishoh, à 2014-07-11 14:15:53, a dit:
Is this a Laurus?
Alberto Cuervo Flores, à 2014-07-11 15:01:27, a dit:
Magnificent tree!!, but I think not, the laurel has the shortest petiole.
Alberto Cuervo Flores, à 2014-07-12 08:52:42, a dit:
I meant before, the petiole shorter than the photo.
Monzon, à 2014-07-12 08:56:07, a dit:
Is not a Laurus, but Phytolacca dioica
Conifers, à 2014-07-12 22:32:17, a dit:
Agree with Monzon, this is Phytolacca dioica.
chrishoh, à 2014-07-15 09:21:37, a dit:
thank you for this interesting info! Until now i only knew Phytolacca americana, as a neophytic perennial in Germany.

Martin Tijdgat, à 2014-07-12 09:34:12, a dit:
Prachtige boom die midden in het leven staat.
Han van Meegeren, à 2014-07-14 20:44:52, a dit:
Ja inderdaad Martin.

Er komen constant mensen kijken daar en zich verwonderen. Het is een klein beschut valleitje, heel idyllisch. Een paradijsje eigenlijk wel.

Gr van Han


Maarten Windemuller, à 2014-07-14 19:07:17, édité à 2014-07-14 19:07:46, a dit:
Hei Han,

What's the stuff on the tree? Chewinggum?

Maarten

Han van Meegeren, à 2014-07-14 20:37:28, a dit:
Hi Maarten

This is indeed chewing gum. People who visit the cemetery, put their chewing gum on this tree, before they visit the cemetery.

But when I see the vote for this picture, it's not serious enough for some people on this site.

Greetings from HAn


Conifers, à 2014-07-13 17:36:27, a dit:
A Populus × canadensis cultivar.
Maarten Windemuller, à 2014-07-13 18:20:47, a dit:
Thank you.

Martin Tijdgat, à 2014-07-12 09:20:42, a dit:
Alberto,

What a beautiful view of this region. Thanks for that! Martin

Alberto Cuervo Flores, à 2014-07-13 12:41:11, a dit:
Oh yes Martin, me too I like. Are fields for livestock vaccine.

It is an area with a hard climate. Very cold in winter and very hot summer.

Chamartin is 1200 meters above sea level and has an average of 500 mm of rain per square meter per year.

Thank you very much!!

Best regards. Alberto.


Conifers, à 2014-07-12 22:38:58, a dit:
"This tree was planted around the year 1965 ± 5"

1965 according to Alan Mitchell, the "± 5" can be removed.


M Wittenberg, à 2014-07-11 06:26:11, a dit:
Ein faszinierendes Bild,Danke !
Alberto Cuervo Flores, à 2014-07-12 07:47:04, a dit:
Danke!

M Wittenberg, à 2014-07-11 06:24:09, a dit:
Ein klasse Idee und eine schöne Ansicht,Danke !
Alberto Cuervo Flores, à 2014-07-11 09:28:25, a dit:
Dank M Wittenberg!!, der Stein ist kostenlos und reichlich. Dieser Baum ist wahrscheinlich Blick auf die Sterne seit 600 Jahren!!

Alberto Cuervo Flores, à 2014-07-10 18:25:06, a dit:
Es la de la derecha.

Is the right.


Alberto Cuervo Flores, à 2014-07-10 18:13:51, a dit:
La encina reportada es la de la derecha.

Reported the holm oak is right.


KoutaR, à 2014-07-10 09:18:02, a dit:
The scientific name should be: Populus 'Petrowskiana'. It is a clone, probably hybrid between Populus deltoides and Populus laurifolia.

Anyway, good that you measured it!


KoutaR, à 2014-07-10 09:23:52, a dit:
Maarten, do you measure with Nikon Forestry 550/Pro or what?

Maarten Windemuller, à 2014-07-10 12:20:06, édité à 2014-07-10 12:22:12, a dit:
Hei Kouta,

You mihgt be right. When I search the books and the Internet (f.i. USDA, Wiki sites orhttp://scholar.google.com) I see three variants: P. x petrowskiana, P. petrowskiana and P. "Petrowskiana" No doubt there will come more comments so we find the correct spelling. Then we ask Tim to change it, I cannot do it myself.

Yes, I use the Nikon 550 AS. This tree I measured from south-east side (A) and north side (B). Results A 31.60 + 1.40 =33.00 and B 32,40 + 1,80 = 34.20. Avarage = 33,60. A and B are the results of scanning the top a few times, not point & shoot, and more times pointing the foot of the tree.

Best Wishes, Maarten


Maarten Windemuller, à 2014-07-10 12:58:32, a dit:
Hei Kouta,

About the picture from 1990: I removed it and asked a member of the board of the Dendrologian Seura (DS) to discuss my question to use that foto here. I think you know DS is updating the register of giants for a new publication.

Best wishes, Maarten


KoutaR, à 2014-07-10 14:02:04, a dit:
In my opinion, we could also accept P. x petrowskiana, but P. petrowskiana is clearly wrong as it is not a species. A reason for the name confusion is that Finnish/Russian 'Petrowskiana' and North American petrowskiana seem to be different taxa. Canadian studies have shown that taxa called P. 'Petrowskiana', P. 'Rasumowskiana' and P. x berolinensis have the same genetic composition and thus are synonyms; consequently they are not believed to be clones. However, these taxa in Finland are very distinct; even I can differentiate them. The Canadian studies have used Canadian material. Apparently the material has mixed when transported from Europe, maybe by early colonizers, who know. Finnish specialists have this opinion (Pentti Alanko said something like "when you see these taxa in other countries, you immediately see something is wrong"). In Finnland they are single clones, so 'Petrowskiana' would be the best in this case.

Good that you asked DS about the image. With who are you communicating? They recently visited the Netherlands and Belgium, did you meet them there?

Yes, I know they are updating the list.


Maarten Windemuller, à 2014-07-10 14:21:10, édité à 2014-07-10 14:27:18, a dit:
Interesting facts about this tree and the differences on worldscale. I think we should follow Pentti Alanko's vision.

DS: Juha R., tree specialist at Helsinki Kaupunki. He is also in the board of DS.



Conifers, à 2014-07-08 12:11:42, a dit:
Can you get some close-up photos of the foliage, please? The bark is completely wrong for Sorbus intermedia.
Frank Gyssling, à 2014-07-08 16:11:30, a dit:
That is fouls. It is a right fraxinus exelsior

geeting frank

Conifers, à 2014-07-08 18:01:14, a dit:
Danke!
Frank Gyssling, à 2014-07-10 12:10:48, a dit:

Conifers, à 2014-07-09 19:55:49, a dit:
A tamarisk Tamarix sp.
Han van Meegeren, à 2014-07-09 21:03:29, a dit:
Thanks Conifers

I've tried to put the name Tamarix sp. on the site, but it is not excepted.

Do you have a solution?

Greets from Han

Leo Goudzwaard, à 2014-07-10 06:43:19, a dit:
sp. is not accepted at MT, it is probably T. gallica

M Wittenberg, à 2014-07-10 05:40:43, a dit:
Schon sehr beeindruckend,Danke !

TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, à 2013-11-15 19:19:03, a dit:
I think the photo may be of another of the several very tall Sequoiadendron in Diana's Grove, as the tallest was closely surrounded by even taller trees. The measurement was actually done with hypsometer, and not necessarily precise to the nearest half-metre.
Frank, à 2014-07-09 19:26:03, a dit:
Hello Treelovers,

I just found that this tree (no. 8457) has been removed from this site. Does this mean it doesn't exist anymore? Would be a real shame, since it seems to have sprung from seeds collected from the famous Grizzly Giant and belonged to the highest specimen in Europe. At least this is what I read here:http://www.treeblog.co.uk/viewtags.php?tag=Sequoiadendron_giganteum&p=1

Just curious to learn the reason for its removal...;-)

Best regards from Germany,

Frank


Maarten Windemuller, à 2014-07-09 17:03:47, a dit:
Surprise on a saturday afternoon. Did he welcome us or did he warn us?
Conifers, à 2014-07-09 17:19:59, a dit:
Kattuggla / Tawny Owl. Nice to see!

Maarten Windemuller, à 2014-07-09 17:06:10, a dit:
Taken from the south, a bit down the hill.

Maarten Windemuller, à 2014-07-09 17:05:12, a dit:
Hollow truck, you can look through.

Maarten Windemuller, à 2014-07-09 17:02:00, a dit:
The tree in it's environment.

Conifers, à 2014-07-09 14:02:38, a dit:
Ulmus glabra
Maarten Windemuller, à 2014-07-09 16:46:04, a dit:
Thank you.

Martin Tijdgat, à 2014-07-08 22:27:57, a dit:
Alberto,

Beautiful light in this picture.

But what is the reason for the ring of stones around the tree?

Martin

Alberto Cuervo Flores, à 2014-07-09 08:49:29, a dit:
Thank you very much again Martin.

I guess the ring of stones is a way of signaling or protect this pine. A tree is classified as singular in the autonomous community of Castile and Lion.

Greetings, Alberto.

Conifers, à 2014-07-09 11:04:02, a dit:
Nice tree! I edited the coordinates to place it on the tree (it was marked on a small shrub before! ;-))

Is the history of the tree known at all?

Alberto Cuervo Flores, à 2014-07-09 13:13:31, a dit:
ohh sorry, you have reason Conifers. The satellite view does not have much quality and I was confused because it marks a dirt road as unV, not know what that means. Is to the right of 3.3 km of road valdemaqueda AV-561 direction. The confusion was a few meters.

Thank you very much for flagging tree properly.

I dont know the history of this tree.

Gretings Alberto.


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Tim, à 2014-07-09 07:27:04, a dit:
Meines Wissens wurde erst 1540 vor der Kirche eine Reformationslinde gepflanzt, da der Ort erst in diesem Jahr evangelisch wurde.

Sollten Sie Belege über dieses frühe Datum haben, würde ich mich über eine Mitteilung freuen!

Mit besten Grüßen

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