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start58now, à 2014-07-29 20:59:58, a dit:
Look at much growth is at the one side of the tree - or so it seems.

G Huber

Wim Brinkerink, à 2014-07-30 12:20:34, a dit:
Yes the tree has bended sidewards. There are some big Holm Oaks next to it, so the tree bended to the direction where there is more room.
start58now, à 2014-07-30 12:25:38, a dit:
But the extreme growth to the one side is very unusual - I wonder if the tree did lose some significant branches at its right.

No matter - it is a great tree.

Greg Huber


start58now, à 2014-07-29 21:12:23, a dit:
This is a very beautifully formed tree.

G Huber

Wim Brinkerink, à 2014-07-30 12:18:57, a dit:
Agree. This is how I like them.

start58now, à 2014-07-29 21:26:05, a dit:
So lucky are they.

GDH


start58now, à 2014-07-29 21:18:16, a dit:
Look at the amazing base of this tree.

G Huber


Scholem Alejchem, à 2013-02-06 11:08:37, a dit:
Na Bumm!

Geführte Wanderung?

Acerus, à 2013-02-06 15:00:00, a dit:
Auf eigene faust-wanderung^^
Scholem Alejchem, à 2013-02-06 17:07:55, a dit:
Mutig, aber...
start58now, à 2014-07-29 21:17:21, a dit:
Learned about sessile oaks many years and here is a wonderful example.

G Huber


KoutaR, à 2012-10-25 06:02:18, a dit:
Hi MColombari1,

Thank you for adding these trees to MT! According to the coordinates this tree seems to be located in Prašnik Special Reserve: http://www.monumentaltrees.com/en/hrv/centraleastern/brodposavina/4244_forest/

Is that right?

According to Wikipedia, Novi Varoš and Okučani are located in Brod-Posavina County, not in Sisak-Moslavina County. Do you agree?

http://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novi_Varo%C5%A1 http://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oku%C4%8Dani

Kouta

MColombari1, à 2012-10-25 07:03:47, a dit:
yes it is in Prasnik special reserv. And i'm wrong, okucani are located in brod-posavina.

Sorry and tank you.

Massimo

start58now, à 2014-07-29 21:15:18, a dit:
An unusual named oak tree but a very good one.

G HUber


Maarten Windemuller, à 2011-04-20 20:28:49, a dit:
Bij een Thuja plicata heb ik een heel ander beeld, zie http://www.muenster.org/na-tour-denkmal/images/stories/fotos/UKTour2/2009_Stourhead-thuja.jpg.

De blaadjes aan deze boom doen uit de verte een beetje denken aan Nothofagus moorei (?).

Maarten

Tim B, à 2011-04-25 21:23:00, a dit:
Inderdaad, zo zag ik ze ook lange tijd. Deze boom staat echter onder meer in het boek "Forest Giants of the Pacific Coast" van de fanatieke boommeter Robert Van Pelt als een Western Redcedar. De kans is quasi onbestaande dat hij zich vergist van soort. In het boek staat ook dit: "Even though this gnarliest of cedars is only partly alive, it provides support for a whole aerial garden -- including two full-size hemlock trees." Misschien zijn de blaadjes die zichtbaar zijn niet van de boom in kwestie.

Groeten,

Tim

Maarten Windemuller, à 2011-04-25 22:16:01, a dit:
Dat laatste moet dan het geval zijn. Misschien zelf maar een keer gaan kijken.

groet,

Maarten

start58now, à 2014-07-29 21:13:28, a dit:
Sweet young girl in front of a very sweet tree.

G Huber


start58now, à 2014-07-29 21:07:32, a dit:
Look at the big horizontal limbs of this oak tree. We have several of these trees with such limb growth orientations.

G Huber


start58now, à 2014-07-29 21:05:39, a dit:
Finally we get to see some of the view in the Grove of Titans

I am honored for certain.

G Huber


start58now, à 2014-07-29 21:01:50, a dit:
May the biggest and best of Sugar pines last a very long time.

G Huber


Tim B, à 2012-09-29 07:41:27, a dit:
That's an amazing shot! Thanks and welcome at the site, Milan.

Kind regards,

Tim

milan, à 2012-09-29 09:03:17, a dit:
Thank you Tim.
start58now, à 2014-07-29 20:56:10, a dit:
Great oak - may it last another 200 years. I wonder how may feet in DBH is it.

G Huber


start58now, à 2014-07-29 20:53:30, a dit:
God bless that you found and measured this great tree - G Huber

Srtorralba, à 2014-07-29 17:39:48, a dit:
En mis visitas a Vilanova siempre había oído comentar que la "Olivera d'en Jeroni" era la más grande del término municipal y creo que el Olivar de Olzina debe ser el que después por herencia (?) debió ser propiedad de Jerónimo Valls Olzina y el "camí de l'Olivera d'en Jeroni" es citado en un folleto turístico de la Comunidad valenciana destinado a la ruta "Vilanova - Mas de Calaf" lo que me hace pensar que dicho olivar se encontraba en una finca llamada la "Covantoll".

Sé que pocos datos aporto pero, me gustaría contrastar la información que tienen fotógrafo y redactor para intentar reconstruir lo más real de esta historia.

Por lo que deduzco que el olivo desapareció durant la época de los años 70 del pasado siglo



j1g2a3n4d5e6r, à 2014-07-28 15:43:02, a dit:
This church and the yew tree are in the county of Sussex not Surrey. I wish you would amend your records as the facts are incorrect

WiPe, à 2014-07-28 17:30:15, édité à 2014-07-29 09:11:12, a dit:
It appears to me that this record is correct. Can it be possible that you have been confusing Crowhurst, Surrey l'église de Saint-Georges and Crowhurst, East Sussex parish churchyard?

j1g2a3n4d5e6r, à 2014-07-29 16:16:14, a dit:
I do apologise for my error. Having recently visited the parish church in Crowhurst East Sussex & seen the magnificent oak tree I though that was the one you were referring to. I am amazed that there are 2 churches & villages with the same names & such old oak trees. Once again I am sorry if I have caused confusion but many thanks for your prompt reply.

Jean



j1g2a3n4d5e6r, à 2014-07-29 16:11:30, a dit:
Many apologies. I have just visited the Parish Church in Crowhurst East Sussex & had seen the magnificent oak tree. I mistakenly thought that was the one you were referring to. Amazing that there should be 2 churches & villages with such magnificent old trees with the same name. Once again I am sorry to have sent the wrong information but many thanks for replying to me.

Jean



Tiziano Rootman Fratus, à 2014-07-29 07:12:15, a dit:
A Tree Seeker with Twin Sequoia Tree, the largest coastal sequoia specimen in Italy.

Tiziano Rootman Fratus, à 2014-07-29 07:08:59, a dit:
The Monumentality of Twin Sequoia Tree, heart of Little California Wood.

Sly, à 2014-07-28 16:38:36, a dit:
Bonjour,

Je suis graphiste et suis en train de réaliser des panneaux didactiques pour un sentier dans le Jura Suisse. Un de ces panneaux est consacré au chêne et nous aimerions utiliser une de vos images du chêne des bosses. Celle où on le voit en entier. La photo est de Jeroen Philippona. Est-ce que ce serait envisageable et sous quelles conditions?

Nous aimerions finaliser ces panneaux pendant ce mois d'août.

Merci d'avance pour votre réponse.

Meilleures salutations

Sylvain Bruschweiler

s.bruschweiler@gmail.com

s.bruschweiler@yahoo.fr



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Tim, à 2014-07-27 10:46:37, a dit:
Hello Rumpala,

thanks for uploading so many great pictures of great trees!

Most of the images however are not linked to the specific tree that is shown in the image, so the species is not shown on the image pages. This is probably because you did not select the option "Specific tree", but selected "Certain location without a specific tree visible".

Would it be possible to select "Specific tree" when uploading future images?

Keep up the good work :)

Kind regards and thanks,

Tim



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Tim, à 2014-07-27 10:21:05, a dit:
Hi,

it is now also possible to add trees in Norway.

For all those who sent me a mail or mails, I just came back from holidays and will need some time to work through these, so please be patient.

Kind regards,

Tim



Wim Brinkerink, à 2014-07-25 16:36:46, a dit:
Prachtig plaatje Maarten! dikke 5
Maarten Windemuller, à 2014-07-25 17:12:08, édité à 2014-07-25 17:12:43, a dit:
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Maarten Windemuller, à 2014-07-25 17:12:17, édité à 2014-07-25 17:12:55, a dit:
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Maarten Windemuller, à 2014-07-25 17:12:22, a dit:
Heb dank, het was een ook feest om de boom te vinden. Wat een beauty.
Martin Tijdgat, à 2014-07-25 21:47:23, a dit:
Maarten,

Kan het zijn dat dit de cv. Serotina de Selys is? Het opgaande karakter lijkt sterk op de Selysen die in Amstelveen staan op de Lindenlaan (Montesorrischoolplein)

Leo Goudzwaard, à 2014-07-26 05:37:00, a dit:
Dat zou goed kunnen. Er staat ook een groot exemplaar van op de parkeerplaats van Arboretum Kalmthout, zie foto en beschrijving van deze cv in mijn boek Loofbomen in NL en VL. De bladvorm op de foto van Maarten klopt ook.
Maarten Windemuller, à 2014-07-26 14:40:08, a dit:
Leo, Martin; thanks for suggestion. I uploaded another foto with detail of twig and leave. I will change the name if you are sure. What I found on Internet pictures it is the form that is making the clear difference between this subspecies and other subspecies of x canadensis. Are there other differences?
Martin Tijdgat, à 2014-07-26 20:28:13, a dit:
Maarten,

Je zegt het; de vorm is zo duidelijk afwijkend en kenmerkend voor Serotina de Selys. Jongere exemplaren kunnen oppervlakkig worden verward met Italiaanse populieren. Maar ronde wortelaanzetten, ronde stammen en takken en de bast zijn zo afwijkend. Zie boek Leo voor detailkenmerken twijg en blad.

Maarten Windemuller, à 2014-07-26 21:49:36, a dit:
Martin, ik heb wat oude foto's en ansichtkaarten opgezocht uit die omgeving, stuur ik je strks per mail toe.

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ats, à 2014-07-25 20:53:45, a dit:
Hi anyone or Francis,

Please advise what kind and where to find a Rootstock or compatible kind for Durian grafting.

Thank you very much.

My contact: info@atsats.com

Regards,

Paul



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ats, à 2014-07-25 20:50:41, a dit:
Hi anyone or Francis,

Please advise what kind and where to find a Rootstock or compatible kind for Durian grafting.

Thank you very much.

My contact: info@atsats.com

Regards,

Paul



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ats, à 2014-07-25 20:48:36, a dit:
Hi Francis or anyone,

This brief note serves as a request if anyone knows or Mr. Francis Chung receives.

What kind and where to find (to buy) a Rootstock (or compatible) for Durian grafting. I have MongThon tree from Thailand.

Thank you very much

info@atsats.com

Paul



Conifers, à 2014-07-12 22:43:45, a dit:
This isn't Malus sieversii - that is the direct ancestor of orchard apples, and has much larger fruit (see e.g. here).

Could be a Malus × purpurea cultivar. Maybe a case of labels swapped by vandals?

Rayn, à 2014-07-13 06:57:39, a dit:
Without knowledge about cultivars, but I bet it's hard to find larger fruit in june in Sweden... Maybe in august/september?
Martin Tijdgat, à 2014-07-13 07:23:40, a dit:
Maarten, Conifers and Rayn,

This Malus-cultivar looks to be M. 'Hopa', if I compare the color and shape of the fruits.

Maarten Windemuller, à 2014-07-13 08:51:49, édité à 2014-07-13 10:43:33, a dit:
Thanks for the comments. The shield at the tree might be a 'student joke' or some mistake which has not yet been noted. I'll contact the management of the garden if they are sure about the name.
Conifers, à 2014-07-23 20:13:31, a dit:
Hi Maarten - thanks for the extra info on this! Interestingly (for my comment above) Malus 'Niedzwetzkyana' is one of the parents of Malus × purpurea (so I wasn't so far out, either! ;-)

According to W J Bean, 'Niedzwetzkyana' is not much grown now due to its susceptibility to apple scab disease.

Maarten Windemuller, à 2014-07-23 22:26:33, a dit:
Hei Conifers, Thank you too, pleasure to find out things, LifeLongLearning.
Conifers, à 2014-07-25 18:20:41, a dit:
Hi Maarten - I've just noticed that MT already has an entry for Malus niedzwetskyana (as a species). I'd guess best transfer this tree there, until Tim can sort out the name fully.
Maarten Windemuller, à 2014-07-25 19:15:05, a dit:
Conifers, Thanks, I changed it.

Wim Brinkerink, à 2014-07-25 16:32:36, a dit:
mooi

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loonen48, à 2014-05-16 18:37:28, a dit:
Als ik een foto wil gebruiken voor een publicatie, hoe zit het dan met de licentie?

Maria


Leo Goudzwaard, à 2014-05-17 15:35:23, a dit:
De foto's op MT zijn en blijven eigendom van de fotograaf. Je moet dus altijd eerst toestemming aan de eigenaar van de foto vragen, Leo

loonen48, à 2014-07-24 19:24:31, a dit:
Streekmuseum Lingewaard gaat een boekje uitgeven over de 1000-jarige eik bij kasteel de Doornenburg. Het boekje is geschreven door Denis Schils. In het boekje worden o.a. vergelijkingen gemaakt met andere oude eiken waaronder de kroezeboom in Ruurlo. Wij zouden als illustratie graag de foto gebruiken van Leo Goudzwaard. Streekmuseum Lingewaard is een stichting die geen structurele subsidie ontvangt. Wij vragen projectsubsidies aan als wij iets willen uitgeven. We maken ook geen winst. Het zou dan ook geweldig zijn als u, Leo Goudzwaard, de foto gratis ter beschikking zou willen stellen. Nog mooier zou zijn als u daarvan een groter bestand zou kunnen leveren dan zo van internet te halen is.

Ik wacht uw antwoord af,

Met vriendelijke groet, Maria Loonen, streekmuseum Lingewaard.


loonen48, à 2014-07-24 19:25:46, a dit:
Ter aanvulling: mijn mailadres is: maria.loonen@planet.nl


European beech at Trollskog in Torna Hällestad, Dalby, Sweden
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Conifers, à 2014-07-23 20:21:37, a dit:
A technical point: as these trees are seed-grown (self-sown), they are Fagus sylvatica f. tortuosa, and not the cultivar 'Suenteliensis', which to be true to name can only be propagated clonally by grafting.

Martin Tijdgat, à 2014-07-23 22:03:10, édité à 2014-07-23 22:04:25, a dit:
Conifers,

Thanks for this. You are absolutely right; this is the naturaly occuring forma tortuosa. I had the same type of discussion with Fagus sylvatica 'Asplenifolia'.or 'Laciniata'. This leafform also occurs naturaly and has been grafted under a few different names.


Maarten Windemuller, à 2014-07-23 22:17:54, édité à 2014-07-24 08:50:18, a dit:
Thanks, that's true, it's not a clone. I changed name. New problem: I cannot get a small "f" before tortuosa. The system automatically generates a capital F. Will ask Tim to change it. But what must we think about the oak, MT nr. 18706? :)


Wim Brinkerink, à 2014-07-22 16:02:27, a dit:
Nieuws over deze boom. Ik weet niet of dit tot tevredenheid moet stemmen, maar....

http://boomzorg.nl/nieuws.asp?id=19-10019

Oordeel zelf


Maarten Windemuller, à 2014-07-22 19:55:13, a dit:
Wim,

Ik las het artikel vanmiddag en vroeg me af of het dezelfde boom was waar jij enige tijd geleden melding van maakte ihk van dijkverzwaring & bomen. Gezien de foto bij het artikel leek het me een heel andere boom.

Groet, Maarten


Wim Brinkerink, à 2014-07-23 08:36:14, a dit:
Hallo Maarten,

In eerste instantie dacht ik het zelfde, maar ik ben de rivier op die plek een flink stuk langs gefietst. Er staat geen andere monumentale boom, dus hij moet het wel zijn. (Ik kan het artikel overigens niet meer terugvinden)

Groet

WIm


Wim Brinkerink, à 2014-07-23 08:38:44, a dit:
Ik kon het artikel weer vinden. Volgens mij is er een foute (wellicht willekeurige) foto gebruikt.

Wim


Maarten Windemuller, à 2014-07-23 09:57:45, a dit:
Aan het huisnummer te zien wel dezelfde boom:http://goo.gl/Lh6V06. Slordig van de redactie van het gisteren aangehaalde artikel om daar een willekeurige foto bij te zetten. Zijn we op deze site niet gewend.


Wim Brinkerink, à 2014-07-18 22:19:47, a dit:
sorry voor de slechte fotokwaliteit, maar te belangrijk om niet te noemen. Op deze mammoet trof ik de coloradokever aan. De kever die bezig is met het vernietigen van een boom in de Ardennen, waar ik eerder aandacht voor vroeg. Boom in Waulsort. séquoia géant (Sequoiadendron giganteum) '17403'
Conifers, à 2014-07-19 10:11:55, a dit:
Hi Wim - this is Pyrrhocoris apterus. Not dangerous to trees, and not the beetle Leptinotarsa decemlineata which damages potato crops.
Martin Tijdgat, à 2014-07-20 08:10:41, a dit:
Wim,

Als ik je foto bekijk dan zie ik een vuurwants. Dat is een sapzuiger en vrij onschadelijk. In Loosdrecht al meermalena in grote groepen aangetroffen op Amerikaanse linde.

Wim Brinkerink, à 2014-07-23 08:40:12, a dit:
Thanks Martin en Conifers.

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Wim Brinkerink, à 2014-07-22 16:17:40, a dit:
Hi allen,

Ik wil jullie graag deelgenoot maken van een leuke ervaring. Een kennis van me, directeur bij de Tu Delft, heeft recent mij met mijn werk voor monumentale bomen, met name voor monumentaltrees en voor de Bomenstichting, voorgedragen als kandidaat voor de monumentenprijs Wassenaar 2014. Inmiddels heb ik een uitslag van de werkgroep die advies uitbrengt aan B&W. Ik ben genomineerd (als één van de drie). Binnenkort ga ik met wat mensen langs plekjes en bomen die ik ihkv monumentale bomen belangrijk vindt. Er zal hier uiteraard in de pers aandacht aan worden besteed. Op monumentendag (2e weekend van september) wordt de winnaar bekend gemaakt. Of ik nou win of niet ,maakt me niet zo veel uit. Wel vind ik het leuk om monumentale bomen onder de aandacht te brengen van een groot publiek. Jullie horen nog van me.

Wim Brinkerink


Bess, à 2014-07-22 18:21:09, a dit:
Dat is heel erg leuk! Veel succes!!


elisa45at, à 2014-03-15 18:58:32, édité à 2014-03-15 19:00:53, a dit:
Der Baum 16510 steht teilweise auf meinem Privatgründstück. Ich finde es irgendwie eigenartig, dass dieser Baum am 10. Februar fotogfiert wird und ich wenig später eine Aufforderung von der Straßenmeisterei erhalte, dass der Baum möglicherweise umgeschnitten gehört. Da könnte man fast meinen, es will jemand den Baum kaufen. Schreckt die menschliche Gier vor nichts mehr zurück. In China werden solche Bäume geschützt, da man denkt, es wohnten die Ahnen darin. Das Holz dieses Baumes ist ziemlich viel wert. Ironie: Ich soll das Umschneiden dieses Naturdenkmals bezahlen!!!

Kann man nur hoffen, dass die Geschäftemacher die Seelen der gefällten Bäume bis in ihre Träume verfolgen.Ich bin empört! Danke auf alle Fälle für die tollen Fotos.

Scholem Alejchem, à 2014-03-16 12:52:16, a dit:
Was hat die Strassenmeisterei dort verloren, ich denke, der steht auf NP-Gebiet.
elisa45at, à 2014-03-16 13:07:09, a dit:
Hallo Alejchem,

leider ist das nicht so. Es wird behauptet, der Baum gehört zu zwei Drittel mir, das restliche Drittel der Straße, also dem Land Niederösterreich.

Ich danke dir jedenfalls recht herzlich für das Foto und hoffe, der Baum ist noch zu retten.

Mir wäre am leibsten, dass der Parkplatz gesperrt wird und der Wanderweg 7, bis Klarheit geschaffen ist, was mit dem Baum weiter passiert. Wenn ihr Zeit habt kommt morgen 17.3. um 11 Uhr zum Baum, da gibt es eine Besprechung mit Straßenmeisterei und Oberförster. Ihr könnt das alles gerne hier mit Fotos dokumentieren. Der Baum soll gestutz werden, da gehören aus meiner Sicht ein Landschaftsplaner und Baumdoktor her, nicht ein Straßenmeister. Da der Baum zwei Drittel mir gehört, verbiete ich einfach ihn umzuschneiden, basta, und vor allem ihn irgendwie zurecht zu stutzen. Danke, dass du dich gleich gemeldet hast.

Scholem Alejchem, à 2014-03-16 14:33:23, a dit:
Ich hab leider derzeit kaum Zeit, aber ein Tipp,.alle Anwesenden fotografieren, damit sich keiner rausreden kann, falls Schwachsinn Methode wird.
elisa45at, à 2014-03-16 15:45:14, a dit:
Ich versuche jetzt die Republik wegen Verstoß gegen das Naturschutzgesetz § 5 zu klagen. Der Baum war als Naturdenkmal geschützt und er wurde plötzlich von heute auf morgen zum Nicht-Naturdenkmal erklärt. Ich farge mich, wei das bei einem solchen Baum geht.

Damit zeigt die republik, dass sie vom Aussterben bedrohte Arten nicht schützt, da sie sie nicht pflegt, wie es notwendig wäre.

Dafür bekommt sie ja von der Eu Fördergeld.

Scholem Alejchem, à 2014-03-16 20:12:01, a dit:
Ich schätze Mal, daß da die gleichen Brucker Hansln verantwortlich sind, wie beim Aukönig und bei den Leitha-Auen-Abholzungen. Von der Größe her schätz ich Mal, daß er so 120-150 Jahre alt sein wird und eine der letzten gesunden Schwarzpappeln. Wozu also das ganze dienen soll, nur weil ein paar Deppen hinten gezündelt haben, fällt so ein Baum nicht wirklich um.
elisa45at, à 2014-03-18 07:39:44, a dit:
Laut Aussagen der Straßenmeisterei stellt der Baum ein Gefahr dar.

Ich bin mir da nicht so sicher. Hast du Erfahrungswerte mit alten Bäumen? Was sagst du zu dem Fall? Du hast den Baum ja gesehen.

Er ist unten am Stamm schon ziemkich düeftig, aber schließlich wird ein Baum ja auch von Wurzeln gehalten und oben ist er ziemlich grün.

elisa45at, à 2014-07-21 21:11:43, a dit:
Hier findet ihr meinen Blog zur Vernichtung der hier abgebildteten Pappel im Februar. http://urwaldnachrichten.wordpress.com/
Scholem Alejchem, à 2014-07-22 09:02:23, édité à 2014-07-22 09:04:12, a dit:
Danke

Ich habs in die Baumbeschreibung übernommen.

Vielleicht sollte man den Zuständigen mal mit den Geräten durch den Vorgarten fahren, obwohl durchs Haus wäre eher angebracht.....


Martin Tijdgat, à 2014-07-22 05:38:54, a dit:
ETT2009,

This tree is not a grey poplar, but a Canada poplar. Please can you change this?



Conifers, à 2014-07-21 21:40:57, a dit:
Populus × canadensis (I'm guessing a drop-down box data entry error?)
Han van Meegeren, à 2014-07-21 21:47:10, a dit:
I don't understand this message Conifers. Only I think this is a canadensis.

Han

Conifers, à 2014-07-21 22:07:24, a dit:
Hi Han - I mean that when entering the species name, you click on a drop-down menu, and it is easy to hit the name above or below by accident.
Martin Tijdgat, à 2014-07-22 00:17:49, a dit:
Hai Han,

Dit is geen grauwe abeel (P. x canescens), maar een Canadese populier (P. x canadensis). Pas jij de naam aan?

Han van Meegeren, à 2014-07-22 05:30:08, a dit:
Hi Conifers and Martin

I didn't register this tree. I only put some photo's of it. I don 't like to change otherone's registered trees.

Greetings Han


agnetanaus, à 2014-07-21 08:21:50, a dit:
Prachtig!
Han van Meegeren, à 2014-07-21 10:47:59, a dit:
Fraaie tuin hebben jullie Agneta. Met een groet van 'bomenliefhebber' Han van Meegeren

Wim Brinkerink, à 2014-07-19 14:57:28, a dit:
Hi Nardo,

Volgens mij heb jij deze bomen gepost. Volgens mijn informatie is het echter geen grondgebied van Schin op Geul maar van Valkenburg. Dat maak ik in ieder geval op uit Wikipedia en het staat ook aangegeven in deel zuid van de "Gids voor de Nederlandse tuin- en landschapsarchitectuur. " Ben je het eens en zoja vind je het goed dat ik het verander of wil dat zelf doen. Het lijkt me ook goed om het gebied van het kasteel wat preciezer te splitsen. De Thuja staat formeel op een deel van het kasteelpark, genoemd Sjloensheim. (Formeel adres; Oud Valkenburg 1)De molen en het heempark vormen één geheel en dat bestaat sinds 1950. Het wordt gerund door vrijwilligers van het IVN


Conifers, à 2014-07-19 21:45:27, a dit:
Hi Nardo, Wim - on the subject of the Thuja, I am still pretty sure this is T. plicata, and not T. occidentalis as the sign says. Can either of you get some close-up photos of the foliage and cones for verification?

Wim Brinkerink, à 2014-07-20 08:22:53, a dit:
Hi Conifers, I just uploaded the photo's of some details.

Martin Tijdgat, à 2014-07-20 09:27:17, a dit:
Wim,

Ben het met Conifers eens; dit is Thuja plicata.


Conifers, à 2014-07-20 12:39:06, a dit:
Thanks! Yes, definitely Thuja plicata.

Wim Brinkerink, à 2014-07-20 12:39:16, a dit:
Nardo,

Ik heb het adres van de tuin gevonden; dat is Oud Valkenburg 1, Schin op Geul. Dus jij hebt de boom op het juiste dorp geregistreerd. Nu moet alleen de soort nog gewijzigd worden.

Groet

WIm



Alberto Cuervo Flores, à 2014-07-20 08:00:58, a dit:
Wim,

Dat mooi plaatje, en nog veel meer prachtige eiken!

Wim Brinkerink, à 2014-07-20 09:06:56, a dit:
Thanks

Rayn, à 2014-07-20 08:56:04, a dit:
This tree seems to be the same as this one: http://www.monumentaltrees.com/en/gbr/england/cityoflondon/2366_greenpark/3834/

Photos of twigs and leafs would help species determination ;)

The sign says Oak anyway.



MoritzNagel, à 2014-07-17 14:39:54, a dit:
Hallo Frank,

ich glaube hierbei handelt es sich um ein Schwarzkiefer.

mfg Moritz

Conifers, à 2014-07-17 16:22:02, a dit:
Yes, agree Pinus nigra
Frank Gyssling, à 2014-07-17 22:13:21, a dit:
Hallo Moritz,

woran erkennst du hier die Schwarzkiefer?

viele Grüße Frank

MoritzNagel, à 2014-07-19 09:43:48, édité à 2014-07-19 09:44:50, a dit:
Ich bin ein bisschen dem Ausschlussverfahren gefolgt.

Für eine Waldkiefer hat der Baum eine viel zu dunkle Rinde. Die ist ja bei Pinus sylvestris eher rötlich.

Außerdem sind, meiner Ansicht nach die Triebe von P. sylvestris etwas zierlicher als bei P. nigra.

Ich ich da kein Experte wie Conifers. Es hätte natürlich auch eine andere Kiefer sein können.

Aber Waldkiefer konnte ich definitiv ausschließen und Schwarzkiefer war das naheliegendste.


Wim Brinkerink, à 2014-07-18 22:15:24, a dit:
Juli 2014

Frank Gyssling, à 2014-07-17 22:26:30, a dit:
Ich bin mir nicht sicher. Es könnte auch eine europäische Lärche sein.
Conifers, à 2014-07-18 14:40:49, a dit:
Can you get a close-up of the cones?

From the branch structire, it looks intermediate, so it might be Larix × marschlinsii (the hybrid between European and Japanese), but that is not certain.


Alberto Cuervo Flores, à 2014-07-18 14:24:05, a dit:
Beatiful.

Frank Gyssling, à 2014-07-18 11:37:26, a dit:
Herrenhaus Stülpe

KoutaR, à 2014-07-04 13:57:37, a dit:
Sisley,

Was this tree really climbed on 2013-06-20 and is 57,7 m really achieved by tape drop? If I recall correctly, the height was first over 58 m and you corrected it after we said the height must be measured to the average ground level, not to the lowest ground level.


Sisley, à 2014-07-04 19:12:04, a dit:
Yes he was achieved by tape drop by the team of climbers in june 2013.

My first measure was made by laser and she was wrong because the I taked the lowest point of the trunk base.


KoutaR, à 2014-07-04 19:28:08, a dit:
Thanks, Sisley!

I proposed in the case of the Oak of Ivenack (chêne pédonculé (Quercus robur) '1758') that if a tree has been measured by a reliable method (tape or laser), height measurements made by an unreliable method should not be added.

It is an equivalent case with this tree. Tape measurement has been universally considered as the most accurate and reliable method. I propose that a laser-measurement should not be added if a former tape measurement proves that the laser-measurement is inaccurate like in this case. Or is the top broken?


Rainer Lippert, à 2014-07-04 19:57:20, a dit:
Hallo Kouta und Sisley,

entscheidend bei Tape-Drop ist aber auch, wie genau der Nullpunkt unten gemessen wurde. Steht der Baum am Hang, kann das schon eine Differenz ausmachen, wenn man unten ohne genauem Messgerät den Nullpunkt bestimmt. Und auch oben können beim Tape-Drop noch Probleme auftreten, den tatsächlich höchsten Trieb zu erwischen. Karlheinz ist hier zweimal hochgeklettert:http://www.monumentaltrees.com/de/bericht/1027/

Beidemal hatten wir da die Probleme bei der Abtastung der Spitze. Also auch da kann es zu Fehlern kommen. Also nicht zwingend muss Tape-Drop die genaueste Messung darstellen. Das Equipment von Karlheinz, also TruPulse 200X auf Stativ zur Spitze und Basis, und Leica Disto D8 vom Stativ aus zur Nullpunktbestimmung, sehe ich schon als sehr genau an. Eventuell genauer als Tape-Drop, wo nicht bekannt ist, wie exakt der Nullpunkt unten bestimmt worden ist und wie sich oben die Spitzenabtastung gestaltete.

Viele Grüße,

Rainer


KoutaR, à 2014-07-04 20:21:16, édité à 2014-07-04 20:22:06, a dit:
Sisley, could you ask the measurers, how they defined the average ground level? Did they measure or estimate it? If estimated, that can really make an error, though likely not 1.4 m.

I believe it that Karlheinz had problems with measuring the top in tape measurement - one year ago he had no idea how to do that, until Michael Spraggon explained it to him.

The distance measuring of the 200X and Disto is undoubtely top-accurate, but the angle measurement not so. It may result in a ~50 cm error. We have already discussed this and the measurement gurus of NTS (Bob Leverett) have indirectly confirmed it.


Karlheinz, à 2014-07-04 20:52:39, a dit:
The sequoias in Ribeauvillé and Niederbronn I measured about one to two meters less in height than my predecessors. That surprises me a lot. I have no explanation. The measurement conditions especially at the trees '12175 'and '8217' were good. I had a clear view simultaneously to the tree top and to a marker nearby the base. The measurement was performed with TruPulse 200X on tripod.

greetings, Karlheinz


Karlheinz, à 2014-07-04 22:29:30, a dit:
Kouta, your statement about accuracy of angle measurement with TruPulse 200X and Leica Disto D8 I can not confirm. In my earlier tests both clinometers matched very accurate. The measurement accuracy of the TruPulse is rather limited by the width of the laser beam, which does not allow pinpoint accuracy aiming at small targets.

Sisley, where is your home location? Maybe we could once meet somewhere in the middle, and together measure a tall tree.

Karlheinz


KoutaR, à 2014-07-05 06:18:23, a dit:
http://www.ents-bbs.org/viewtopic.php?f=235&t=5517&start=20

Message #30 and onwards.


KoutaR, à 2014-07-05 06:33:59, a dit:
One possible explanation is that Pierron & Thomas have measured the tree to the lowest ground level like Sisley did at the beginning. Sisley, what do you think about this? Is it a usual way in France to measure trees to the lowest ground level = "low slope point"?

Sisley, à 2014-07-05 19:38:55, a dit:
Hi, all poeple !

I know that the climbers measure from the top to the middle slop point.

L.Pierron said me his method, and my first measure of the sequoia of Ribeauvillé was 58,10 m at the low trunk point.

If I subtract approximately 0,75 m to join the middle slop point we find 57,35 m.

For the mapple tree it maybe possible that the real tope was not targeted ? I know, it was not obvious to found him without the leaves, therefore with the top is more hidden.

The tallest Douglas of Ribeauvillé was measured by tape of drop, 60,5 m, I found 62 m(measure not changed in page)and I see, Karlheinz found 61,5 m. The difference is not very important.

And for the trees near Niederbronn, my results were not so good, it was the first measures with laser and I did'nt have take the middle slop point.

The more important point that I see for the mistakes, is that I don't have pattern surveyor to set against the trunk.

In many situations this object would have helped me.


Karlheinz, à 2014-07-05 22:13:50, a dit:
Last year I was in Ribeauvillé just on the go with Nikon. I had no other measurement equipment here. I did not think the readings for accurate enough to be entered into the data field for measurement. Only at the tallest Douglas of Ribeauvillé I brought a height value in the caption of the photo.

This year, I've come back, have brought my entire equipment and have done my best in the measurement. For base-determination on the slope ground I used the Leica Disto D8. As difference between low and high slope point at the sequoia of Ribeauvillé I determined 1.40 m, not much different from Sisley.


KoutaR, à 2014-07-06 08:30:53, a dit:
Without seeing the tree, I guess the difference is partly a consequence of different interpretations of the highest and lowest ground levels. On a steep slope it can make a big difference. And it is largely not up to used device but just interpretation.

In addition, the clinometer error of the 200X (max. +/-0.2° according to the user manual) may explain a part of the difference. Note that even if the device gives repeated the same angle, it does not mean the angle is correct. If my "one metre long" tape measure is too long, it gives repeated the same result but it is not correct.


Karlheinz, à 2014-07-06 10:51:02, a dit:
Kouta, I know that you think your Nikon 550 for the best instrument in the world! And I guess, Sisley also measures with Nikon, is that right? In the manual of my Nikon 550 I find no specification for clinometer error. Do you really think a manufacturer that conceals the error tolerance of his unit, has the higher quality sensor? The readings with Nikon have a greater range of variation compared to Leica and TruPulse and they are more dependent on interpretation by the measurer.

The Nikon is for our purposes certainly a recommendable device. But we should not expect any accuracy that can not give the unit. The competition between European record trees which are only a few decimeters apart is hardly to decide with Nikon.


KoutaR, à 2014-07-06 15:06:54, édité à 2014-07-06 15:08:41, a dit:
It is very clear that all the TruPulses are more accurate than Nikon. I have never denied it. But here we were comparing 200X vs. tape. Everybody can do a bit trigonometry and calculate how big height error can -0.2° error at the base and a +0.2° error at the top (the worst case) make. One could think that if the distance measurement is centimetre precise, height measuring is centimetre precise, too. I also believed so at first - for example, I wrote "Disto gives accurate distances to the nearest centimetre, so using a reference point did not decrease the accuracy" in my report about the tallest beech (http://www.monumentaltrees.com/en/report/772/). But the clinometers of these devices are simply not accurate enough for that accuracy. Karlheinz, could it be time to accept that. In Finland much cited is a statement of a former president: "the beginning of all the wisdom is the confession of the facts". And I am not speaking for Nikon, which is, of course, less accurate and less reliable. I would buy 200X, too, if it was much less than 1000€. I am ready to give 2000€ for a good camera but measuring is simply not important enough for me and has recently become still less important due to this like disputes.

Karlheinz, à 2014-07-07 09:25:34, a dit:
Tape drop as well as instrument measurements, both can be accurate or inaccurate. That depends very much on the care is measured by, how favorable are the measuring conditions in the individual case, and how accurate are the measuring devices. I can not say from the outset that a particular measurement method always results in the most accurate value. If all conditions are optimal, I would prefer the tape-drop measurement result to a Trupulse 200X measurement, presumed when tape drop it is possible to determine the residual height to treetop safely.

For Koutas presumption of an influential inaccuracy of the 200X tilt sensor there is no confirmation, not even in the forums of the NTS (ent-bbs.org). In my estimation, the fault tolerance of the TruPulse 200X is not based on the tilt sensor, but on the wide laser beam when it impinges on inclined or uneven surfaces. Who wants to know more about how I judge the accuracy of my instruments, can read about it in my article in the Bulletin of ENTS, Volume 9, 2014 "Testing Three Different Range Finder With Built in inclinometer": http://www.nativetreesociety.org/bulletin/b9_1-2/B_ENTS_v09_01&02.pdf


KoutaR, à 2014-07-07 11:50:59, a dit:
The source or "confirmation" for the tilt sensor accuracy/inaccuracy was the user manual. You once gave me this info yourself. Why I referred to the NTS forum was that you first claimed the tilt sensor error is always the same, thus the error at the treetop would counteract the error at the base. Then Bob said it implies to the mechanical clinometers only, and after that you stopped to claim that. Disto's tilt sensor accuracy is actually lower than that of 200X: -0.2°/+0.3° outside the room temperature, according to the user manual. You have not tested the tilt sensors yourself.

A wide beam is a further error source, indeed. (Yes, applies to Nikon, too.)

200X and Disto are great instruments without doubt, but they also have their limits. You once said the other measurers will hate you because you have better instruments. I don't think that is true. It is great that you have them and make accurate measurements. But it is strange that you sometimes make statements that are based on nothing being essentially "religious".


KoutaR, à 2014-07-08 07:44:11, a dit:
I found the old email of Karlheinz. The tilt sensor error of 200X is +/- 0.1 degrees "typical". Only Leica's user manual tolds how much adds low or high temperature. So this was my mistake.

RedRob, à 2014-07-08 17:09:19, a dit:
I thought that a 58 metre Sequoiadendron had been reported on here, a Scottish tree measurer called Chic Henderson recently measured the Sequoiadendron at Benmore as 56.4 metres which looked like the second tallest in Europe which I just couldn't re-find on here?

Karlheinz, à 2014-07-17 14:37:18, a dit:
Hello RedRob,

as you certainly noticed by now, we have conflicting readings. From the record sequoias in Benmore and along the Big Trees Walk Uig I miss individual photos. It seems unclear to me whether these trees can be identified on site at all. Under these circumstances, no one will take the long journey to go there and to confirm the measurements. Even from the highest Douglas firs in UK I can not find individual photos.


RedRob, à 2014-07-17 16:27:13, a dit:
Hello Karlheinz, the Sequioadendrons at Benmore were visited and re-measured a couple of months ago by David Alderman and Chic Henderson with matching Forestry Pro lasers. The Uig tree was 56.4 metres, 498cm girth, there is a photo of this tree on the TROBI site. The tree in the avenue at Benmore was 56.4 metres to the top, which was dead, 54 metres to the highest live part of the tree, 602 cm girth. The Sequoiadendron at Blair Atholl, Diana's Grove could be the tallest of all as it was 54.50 metres in 2007 with a long wispy spire tip. I believe that Chic Henderson will be visiting this at some point as he is systematically re-measuring the trees across Scotland (about to check a reputed 30 metre Juglans Regia measurement) Chic said that he might join MT so may post some photos.

Which Douglas Firs do you want photos of Karlheinz, the Reelig Glen tree and others are on here already?


Karlheinz, à 2014-07-17 23:02:53, édité à 2014-07-18 07:12:08, a dit:
Hello RedRob,

a photo from Benmore trees shows the "Avenue of Giant Redwoods." I can not identify the specific tree '1715' with the record size of 56.40 m. How can I find this particular tree? I mean, if a record tree is reported on MT, it should be described so accurately that it clearly can be located in the field without further Internet research.

The highest Douglas-fir in the UK is still the '15298 'in Reelig Glen with 66,40 m. The only photo on MT shows a group of trees. There is no photo, e.g. from the base of the trunk, that uniquely could identify this particular tree. The photo of the second highest Douglas-fir '15299' in Reelig Glen shows the same group of trees and again no individual picture of this tree. From the third highest Douglas-fir '15562' there not any photo is shown. When I am in Reelig Glen, how can I detect which is the respectively measured tree?



Frank Gyssling, à 2014-07-17 22:37:02, a dit:
Herrenhaus Märkisch Wilmersdorf, letzter Umbau im Tudorstil 1901-1903.

Bess, à 2014-07-17 21:08:25, a dit:
Welkom op monumentaltrees!

Frank Gyssling, à 2014-07-17 11:45:26, a dit:
Stamm verzweigt sich in Höhe ca. 1,4 m

Martin Tijdgat, à 2014-07-16 22:26:14, a dit:
Tim, Jeroen,

Waarom verschijnt bij deze locatie niet de beuk met het volgnummer, of de lokale naam??

Martin



Martin Tijdgat, à 2014-07-16 17:52:43, a dit:
Can anyone see what kind of tree this is??
Conifers, à 2014-07-16 18:31:29, a dit:
Fagus sylvatica
chrishoh, à 2014-07-16 18:55:15, a dit:
is this 3 trees merged together or grown from just one plant? is this area a pastoral forest, which farmers used to graze their cattle?
Conifers, à 2014-07-16 22:14:22, a dit:
One tree, but probably pollarded in the distant past.

Martin Tijdgat, à 2014-07-16 16:37:05, a dit:
Chrshoh,

Please remove and turn this picture before placing it again. It is to beautiful to leave it like this!

Conifers, à 2014-07-16 18:32:17, a dit:
Hi Martin - Tim can rotate it without deleting it

floriduscampus, à 2014-07-14 20:07:04, édité à 2014-07-15 15:44:54, a dit:
Een van de oerbomen die niet gekapt zijn door de kolonisten van Madeira (sinds 1420). Het betreft een stinklaurier. Prachtig gebied met vele oude bomen van het oorspronkelijke laurierwoud (Laurissilva) van Madeira. Vroeger was bijna het gehele eiland bedekt met verschillende laurierbomen met mossen en epifyten begroeid. Ongeveer 15-40 miljoen jaar geleden was bijna heel Zuid-Europa bedekt door laurierbos maar door de ijstijden zijn veel laurierbossen verdwenen. Bijna al het oorspronkelijke woud van Madeira is gekapt maar er staan wonderbaarlijk genoeg nog vele exemplaren op de hoogvlakte Paul da Serra waar vee tussen graast. Sommige bomen zijn gelukkig beschermd door gaas. Het is dus een relict van het vroegere oorspronkelijke oerbos van het eiland maar ook van miljoenen jaren terug!

Dit gebied staat op de UNESCO werelderfgoed lijst. Hierbij de omschrijving van het gebied op de website van UNESCO:

"The Laurisilva of Madeira is an outstanding relict of a previously widespread laurel forest type. It is the largest surviving area of laurel forest and is believed to be 90% primary forest. It contains a unique suite of plants and animals, including many endemic species such as the Madeiran long-toed pigeon."

Voor meer interessante weetjes:http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/934

Han van Meegeren, à 2014-07-14 20:46:34, a dit:
Prachtboom!

Han van Meegeren

Han van Meegeren, à 2014-07-14 20:49:34, a dit:
Er zijn weer vervelende stemmers aan de gang. Ik heb deze boom een 5 gegeven. Allereerst omdat het een boom is waar ik nog nooit van gehoord had, uniek! En ten tweede, eigenlijk ten eerste, omdat er weer zo vervelend gestemd wordt.

Gr Han

Rayn, à 2014-07-14 22:12:35, édité à 2014-07-14 22:21:50, a dit:
I agree with Han van Meegeren.

Got any more photo of this fascinating tree by any chance?

floriduscampus, à 2014-07-15 15:46:07, a dit:
Hoe kan ik meer foto's bijvoegen? Heb trouwens veel meer foto's van deze groep bomen.
Martin Tijdgat, à 2014-07-15 16:33:30, a dit:
Floriduscampus,

Bewerk eerst je foto's tot licht, compositie en kleur zo natuurlijk mogelijk zijn. Gelukt? Je kan dan de pagina van deze boom openen en vervolgen met "Upload foto's" zoveel foto's toevoegen die aan de info van deze boom wat toevoegen. Zijn andere bomen van deze groep apart de moeite waard, voeg ze dan als nieuwe boom toe. Enzovoort.

Zelf probeer ik altijd een foto bij te voegen die de boom van top tot teen laat zien, maar ook de kroonopbouw en bast van de boom. Liefst voeg ik een foto toe die twijg, blad en bloem of vrucht laat zien. Beide foto's geven vaak alle info die nodig is om de determinatie van de boom te verbeteren, als er twijfel over is. En wie twijfelt er af en toe niet over de correcte naamgeving van bomen.

Veel plezier op MT!

floriduscampus, à 2014-07-15 17:02:15, édité à 2014-07-15 17:03:49, a dit:
Bedankt voor de instructies, zal t.z.t. meer publiceren.

Hierbij alvast een Youtube-film van de naaste omgeving:

http://youtu.be/RDmM0aOvW-s

Martin Tijdgat, à 2014-07-15 17:14:00, édité à 2014-07-15 17:15:18, a dit:
Wauw, sfeervol filmpje! Wat een opmerkelijk stuk bos is dit in de mooie nevel.

Ik zie zo al een stuk of 5-10 bomen die in MT thuis horen. Heb je ook detailfoto's van baststructuur, bemoste takken, bebladerde twijgen, vruchten en bloeiwijzen? Ook voor mij een volstrekt onbekende boomsoort.

Han van Meegeren, à 2014-07-15 17:47:20, a dit:
Beste Hylco

Ik heb het filmpje gezien. jammer dat ik hier nog nooit ben geweest. Prachtig zeg! Ik zie dat Martin al geantwoord heeft over het uploaden van foto's . Laat maar komen wat mij betreft.

Groet van Han

Maarten Windemuller, à 2014-07-15 19:54:46, a dit:
Very special !
floriduscampus, à 2014-07-15 20:20:49, a dit:
Filmpje van de desbetreffende boom en omgeving:http://youtu.be/COHDHCbnqjA

BDW, à 2014-07-15 20:08:08, a dit:
Foto 2 juni 2007

Rayn, à 2014-07-15 16:21:11, a dit:
Very beautiful and impactful with the out of focus fence in the foreground!

Rayn, à 2014-07-14 19:48:46, a dit:
Googled out of curiosity to see the tree, is this the one? http://www.pueblos-espana.org/fotos_originales/3/1/5/00669315.jpg

Martin Tijdgat, à 2014-07-14 20:18:19, a dit:
This is the same picture I found, but it is in a different region

Alberto Cuervo Flores, à 2014-07-14 21:43:49, a dit:
Should be more because Quercus robur is an autochthonous species of the region (Cantabria).

Rayn, à 2014-07-14 22:20:33, édité à 2014-07-14 22:21:07, a dit:
I googled on "El roble gordo" which is what the tree is called according to the registration here at MT.

I have seen many beautiful photos of the Spanish oaks here at MT but unfortunately no photo of this giant with a reported girth of over 12 meters, hence my try at google.


MoritzNagel, à 2014-07-14 23:18:11, a dit:
You can search for "roble tumbado de Bujilices". This seems to be the tree. It is located in Ucieda.

So i guess this is the questioned tree.

Here is one of the photos for example. Very impressive!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/joaquin_camacho/6925265914/


Alberto Cuervo Flores, à 2014-07-15 05:48:42, a dit:
Impressive tree! Rayn, usually the biggest oak in one area, valley, village, called "Roble gordo de... or Roblón de ...", better then type the name of the site as a reference. Furthermore, also called "Roble" Quercus pyrenaica to many parts.

Rayn, à 2014-07-15 16:17:55, a dit:
Aha, thank you Alberto Cuervo Flores.


Conifers, à 2014-07-15 12:04:36, a dit:
Juniperus occidentalis

Conifers, à 2014-07-15 12:04:26, a dit:
Juniperus occidentalis

Conifers, à 2014-07-15 12:04:09, a dit:
Juniperus occidentalis

chrishoh, à 2014-07-15 10:03:18, a dit:
see the marmot?
Conifers, à 2014-07-15 12:03:35, a dit:
Under the Juniperus occidentalis in the foreground.

Conifers, à 2014-07-15 12:03:02, a dit:
Juniperus occidentalis

chrishoh, à 2014-07-15 09:27:30, a dit:
Worlds largest spruce tree !?!

chrishoh, à 2014-07-11 14:15:53, a dit:
Is this a Laurus?
Alberto Cuervo Flores, à 2014-07-11 15:01:27, a dit:
Magnificent tree!!, but I think not, the laurel has the shortest petiole.
Alberto Cuervo Flores, à 2014-07-12 08:52:42, a dit:
I meant before, the petiole shorter than the photo.
Monzon, à 2014-07-12 08:56:07, a dit:
Is not a Laurus, but Phytolacca dioica
Conifers, à 2014-07-12 22:32:17, a dit:
Agree with Monzon, this is Phytolacca dioica.
chrishoh, à 2014-07-15 09:21:37, a dit:
thank you for this interesting info! Until now i only knew Phytolacca americana, as a neophytic perennial in Germany.

Martin Tijdgat, à 2014-07-12 09:34:12, a dit:
Prachtige boom die midden in het leven staat.
Han van Meegeren, à 2014-07-14 20:44:52, a dit:
Ja inderdaad Martin.

Er komen constant mensen kijken daar en zich verwonderen. Het is een klein beschut valleitje, heel idyllisch. Een paradijsje eigenlijk wel.

Gr van Han


Maarten Windemuller, à 2014-07-14 19:07:17, édité à 2014-07-14 19:07:46, a dit:
Hei Han,

What's the stuff on the tree? Chewinggum?

Maarten

Han van Meegeren, à 2014-07-14 20:37:28, a dit:
Hi Maarten

This is indeed chewing gum. People who visit the cemetery, put their chewing gum on this tree, before they visit the cemetery.

But when I see the vote for this picture, it's not serious enough for some people on this site.

Greetings from HAn


Conifers, à 2014-07-13 17:36:27, a dit:
A Populus × canadensis cultivar.
Maarten Windemuller, à 2014-07-13 18:20:47, a dit:
Thank you.

Martin Tijdgat, à 2014-07-12 09:20:42, a dit:
Alberto,

What a beautiful view of this region. Thanks for that! Martin

Alberto Cuervo Flores, à 2014-07-13 12:41:11, a dit:
Oh yes Martin, me too I like. Are fields for livestock vaccine.

It is an area with a hard climate. Very cold in winter and very hot summer.

Chamartin is 1200 meters above sea level and has an average of 500 mm of rain per square meter per year.

Thank you very much!!

Best regards. Alberto.


Conifers, à 2014-07-12 22:38:58, a dit:
"This tree was planted around the year 1965 ± 5"

1965 according to Alan Mitchell, the "± 5" can be removed.


M Wittenberg, à 2014-07-11 06:26:11, a dit:
Ein faszinierendes Bild,Danke !
Alberto Cuervo Flores, à 2014-07-12 07:47:04, a dit:
Danke!

M Wittenberg, à 2014-07-11 06:24:09, a dit:
Ein klasse Idee und eine schöne Ansicht,Danke !
Alberto Cuervo Flores, à 2014-07-11 09:28:25, a dit:
Dank M Wittenberg!!, der Stein ist kostenlos und reichlich. Dieser Baum ist wahrscheinlich Blick auf die Sterne seit 600 Jahren!!

Alberto Cuervo Flores, à 2014-07-10 18:25:06, a dit:
Es la de la derecha.

Is the right.


Alberto Cuervo Flores, à 2014-07-10 18:13:51, a dit:
La encina reportada es la de la derecha.

Reported the holm oak is right.


KoutaR, à 2014-07-10 09:18:02, a dit:
The scientific name should be: Populus 'Petrowskiana'. It is a clone, probably hybrid between Populus deltoides and Populus laurifolia.

Anyway, good that you measured it!


KoutaR, à 2014-07-10 09:23:52, a dit:
Maarten, do you measure with Nikon Forestry 550/Pro or what?

Maarten Windemuller, à 2014-07-10 12:20:06, édité à 2014-07-10 12:22:12, a dit:
Hei Kouta,

You mihgt be right. When I search the books and the Internet (f.i. USDA, Wiki sites orhttp://scholar.google.com) I see three variants: P. x petrowskiana, P. petrowskiana and P. "Petrowskiana" No doubt there will come more comments so we find the correct spelling. Then we ask Tim to change it, I cannot do it myself.

Yes, I use the Nikon 550 AS. This tree I measured from south-east side (A) and north side (B). Results A 31.60 + 1.40 =33.00 and B 32,40 + 1,80 = 34.20. Avarage = 33,60. A and B are the results of scanning the top a few times, not point & shoot, and more times pointing the foot of the tree.

Best Wishes, Maarten


Maarten Windemuller, à 2014-07-10 12:58:32, a dit:
Hei Kouta,

About the picture from 1990: I removed it and asked a member of the board of the Dendrologian Seura (DS) to discuss my question to use that foto here. I think you know DS is updating the register of giants for a new publication.

Best wishes, Maarten


KoutaR, à 2014-07-10 14:02:04, a dit:
In my opinion, we could also accept P. x petrowskiana, but P. petrowskiana is clearly wrong as it is not a species. A reason for the name confusion is that Finnish/Russian 'Petrowskiana' and North American petrowskiana seem to be different taxa. Canadian studies have shown that taxa called P. 'Petrowskiana', P. 'Rasumowskiana' and P. x berolinensis have the same genetic composition and thus are synonyms; consequently they are not believed to be clones. However, these taxa in Finland are very distinct; even I can differentiate them. The Canadian studies have used Canadian material. Apparently the material has mixed when transported from Europe, maybe by early colonizers, who know. Finnish specialists have this opinion (Pentti Alanko said something like "when you see these taxa in other countries, you immediately see something is wrong"). In Finnland they are single clones, so 'Petrowskiana' would be the best in this case.

Good that you asked DS about the image. With who are you communicating? They recently visited the Netherlands and Belgium, did you meet them there?

Yes, I know they are updating the list.


Maarten Windemuller, à 2014-07-10 14:21:10, édité à 2014-07-10 14:27:18, a dit:
Interesting facts about this tree and the differences on worldscale. I think we should follow Pentti Alanko's vision.

DS: Juha R., tree specialist at Helsinki Kaupunki. He is also in the board of DS.



Conifers, à 2014-07-08 12:11:42, a dit:
Can you get some close-up photos of the foliage, please? The bark is completely wrong for Sorbus intermedia.
Frank Gyssling, à 2014-07-08 16:11:30, a dit:
That is fouls. It is a right fraxinus exelsior

geeting frank

Conifers, à 2014-07-08 18:01:14, a dit:
Danke!
Frank Gyssling, à 2014-07-10 12:10:48, a dit:

Conifers, à 2014-07-09 19:55:49, a dit:
A tamarisk Tamarix sp.
Han van Meegeren, à 2014-07-09 21:03:29, a dit:
Thanks Conifers

I've tried to put the name Tamarix sp. on the site, but it is not excepted.

Do you have a solution?

Greets from Han

Leo Goudzwaard, à 2014-07-10 06:43:19, a dit:
sp. is not accepted at MT, it is probably T. gallica

M Wittenberg, à 2014-07-10 05:40:43, a dit:
Schon sehr beeindruckend,Danke !

TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, à 2013-11-15 19:19:03, a dit:
I think the photo may be of another of the several very tall Sequoiadendron in Diana's Grove, as the tallest was closely surrounded by even taller trees. The measurement was actually done with hypsometer, and not necessarily precise to the nearest half-metre.
Frank, à 2014-07-09 19:26:03, a dit:
Hello Treelovers,

I just found that this tree (no. 8457) has been removed from this site. Does this mean it doesn't exist anymore? Would be a real shame, since it seems to have sprung from seeds collected from the famous Grizzly Giant and belonged to the highest specimen in Europe. At least this is what I read here:http://www.treeblog.co.uk/viewtags.php?tag=Sequoiadendron_giganteum&p=1

Just curious to learn the reason for its removal...;-)

Best regards from Germany,

Frank


Maarten Windemuller, à 2014-07-09 17:03:47, a dit:
Surprise on a saturday afternoon. Did he welcome us or did he warn us?
Conifers, à 2014-07-09 17:19:59, a dit:
Kattuggla / Tawny Owl. Nice to see!

Maarten Windemuller, à 2014-07-09 17:06:10, a dit:
Taken from the south, a bit down the hill.

Maarten Windemuller, à 2014-07-09 17:05:12, a dit:
Hollow truck, you can look through.

Maarten Windemuller, à 2014-07-09 17:02:00, a dit:
The tree in it's environment.

Conifers, à 2014-07-09 14:02:38, a dit:
Ulmus glabra
Maarten Windemuller, à 2014-07-09 16:46:04, a dit:
Thank you.

Martin Tijdgat, à 2014-07-08 22:27:57, a dit:
Alberto,

Beautiful light in this picture.

But what is the reason for the ring of stones around the tree?

Martin

Alberto Cuervo Flores, à 2014-07-09 08:49:29, a dit:
Thank you very much again Martin.

I guess the ring of stones is a way of signaling or protect this pine. A tree is classified as singular in the autonomous community of Castile and Lion.

Greetings, Alberto.

Conifers, à 2014-07-09 11:04:02, a dit:
Nice tree! I edited the coordinates to place it on the tree (it was marked on a small shrub before! ;-))

Is the history of the tree known at all?

Alberto Cuervo Flores, à 2014-07-09 13:13:31, a dit:
ohh sorry, you have reason Conifers. The satellite view does not have much quality and I was confused because it marks a dirt road as unV, not know what that means. Is to the right of 3.3 km of road valdemaqueda AV-561 direction. The confusion was a few meters.

Thank you very much for flagging tree properly.

I dont know the history of this tree.

Gretings Alberto.


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Meines Wissens wurde erst 1540 vor der Kirche eine Reformationslinde gepflanzt, da der Ort erst in diesem Jahr evangelisch wurde.

Sollten Sie Belege über dieses frühe Datum haben, würde ich mich über eine Mitteilung freuen!

Mit besten Grüßen

Rüdiger Bier

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Conifers, à 2014-07-08 18:17:29, a dit:
Not Magnolia acuminata, that has pale yellow-green flowers (pic); likely M. × soulangeana with a second flowering (most of the flowers of this hybrid are produced before the leaves in early spring, but there is often a small second flowering around now).
Leo Goudzwaard, à 2014-07-08 19:59:23, a dit:
I know this tree very well, it is Magnolia x soulangeana
Wim Brinkerink, à 2014-07-08 21:26:14, a dit:
Thank you both. I've changed it.

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Maarten Windemuller, à 2014-07-08 06:57:26, a dit:
On 7 july Daily Mail published an article about the 'oldest' tree of Brittain. http://goo.gl/zeRyhV

I cannot (yet) find the tree on MT. Do I look good?


Conifers, à 2014-07-08 09:19:13, a dit:
Don't believe anything you read in the Daily Fail - one of Britain's most notoriously inaccurate newspapers ;-)

Certainly an interesting tree, but 5,000 years is fanciful. It fails to take account of the simple point that growth rings become narrower as the tree ages.

For more info on the ages of old yews, see:

Harte, J. (1996). How old is that old yew? At the Edge 4: 1–9 Online.

Kinmonth, F. (2006). Ageing the yew – no core, no curve? International Dendrology Society Yearbook 2005: 41–46 Online.


Leo Goudzwaard, à 2014-07-08 09:25:27, a dit:
Is there any scientific proof? an article rather than a newspaper story?

according to the newspaper it is believed to be 5000 years (ja zo lust ik er nog wel een!)

A ring count of 120 per inch is hard to believe. Where is the picture of this? BTW: ringdating and dendrochronology is something completely different than ring counting. Waiting for proof....


Maarten Windemuller, à 2014-07-08 09:49:39, a dit:
Gentlemen,

Thank you for the reactions. This brings us further than Facebook where I found this 'news'.

Best wishes, Maarten


RedRob, à 2014-07-08 17:05:10, a dit:
Maarten beat me to this with his post. This tree has been all over the news as well

http://www.itv.com/news/wales/2014-07-07/is-a-powys-village-home-to-europes-oldest-tree/

Conifers, can you explain your point about growth rings becoming narrower not being taken into account?


Conifers, à 2014-07-08 18:00:37, a dit:
Quote from the Daily Fail article: "and its ring count is 120 per inch which makes it [more than] 5,000 years old" - i.e., they've taken the outermost ring count and assumed it continued at that rate for the whole life of the tree. Typical muddle-headed journalists :-(


RedRob, à 2014-07-08 17:36:38, a dit:
This one slipped in under the radar, missed this one, superb tree Rainer.


RedRob, à 2014-07-08 17:29:27, a dit:
Unable to post a photo for this, posted the Lime photo ok then registered this tree and tried to upload a photo but none of the photo folders appear in the little window and I cannot get them to come up? Had this problem a few times recently, is it the site or some problem at my end?


Arbre passion, à 2014-07-07 18:18:50, a dit:
you're sure it is not a Liriodendron chinense

Sisley, à 2014-07-07 18:35:14, a dit:
Maybe it's a grefted specimen at the low trunk point. A Liriodendron tulipidera on a Liriodendron chinensis ?..

Rainer Lippert, à 2014-07-07 19:51:05, a dit:
Hallo,

laut Parkbeschreibung soll es sich um Liriodendron tulipifera handeln. Steht auch so auf dem Schild am Stamm. Im Internet gibt es auch zahlreiche Hinweise dazu. Hier eine Beschreibung vom Park. Auf Seite 2 die Nummer 1: https://www.uni-hohenheim.de/fileadmin/uni_hohenheim/Intranet_MA/Zentrales_Marketing/Broschueren/Hohenheimer_Gaerten/Baumveteranen_Schmuckgehoelze_2013.pdf

Die Blätter sind tatsächlich sehr tief gelappt, was eher für Liriodendron chinense sprechen würde. Ich Frage mal Conifers, was er dazu meint.

Viele Grüße,

Rainer


Conifers, à 2014-07-07 20:22:00, a dit:
Hallo Rainer,

Thanks for the query! Unfortunately, leaf shape is not a reliable distinction between the two; both species are variable, with extensive overlap in shape. The only reliable difference is in the flowers, green with an orange spot on each tepal in L. tulipifera and all-green in L. chinense.

However, there is one other important point with this tree that gives us a safe conclusion: the planting date of 1779. L. chinense was only introduced to the West in 1901, so therefore this tree has to be L. tulipifera.


Rainer Lippert, à 2014-07-08 16:46:38, a dit:
Hallo Conifers,

danke für die Antwort. Das mit dem Alter ist ein gutes Argument. Demnach handelt es sich zweifelsfrei um Liriodendron tulipifera.

Danke und viele Grüße,

Rainer



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Thorgal, à 2014-07-08 11:11:47, a dit:
Ik heb zelf een drietal giganteums opgekweekt uit zaad vorig jaar. In augustus zijn ze opgekomen.

Ze moeten alle drie een plek krijgen in mijn tuin dus wil er alles aan doen om ze te laten overleven. Ik was al heel erg blij dat de miniscule plantjes de winter zijn doorgekomen. De grootste is nu 21 cm. Hij groeit erg hard. Ik heb ze ook alle in volle zon staan. De zon heeft de afgelopen maanden relatief veel geschenen, ze kunnen er dus prima tegen lijkt het.

Ik zit met de vraag wanneer deze nu het beste definitief de grond in kan. Zou dat eind van deze zomer al kunnen of moet ik nog 1 of meerdere zomers wachten? Kan een winter nu funest zijn voor een 1 jaar oude boom?

Ik had ook al begrepen dat slakken er niert vies van zijn. Klopt dat, zijn deze een gevaar als de boompjes jong zijn. Vraag is dus wanneer ze definitief en veilig naar buiten kunnen. Wat is je advies?



Conifers, à 2014-07-07 15:48:03, a dit:
Looks like it may be dying, perhaps from blister rust Cronartium ribicola.

Frank Gyssling, à 2014-07-07 09:21:34, a dit:
Abwertung

Er hat wieder schnell reagiert – Wertung vermutlich < 1. Im Besonderen, aber nicht ausschließlich, die Blutbuchen haben es ihm angetan ;-). Dabei sind sie schon seit dem 15. Jahrhundert bekannt, ursprünglich unter dem Namen Fagus sylvatica f. atro-punicea (s. Wekipedia), und vermutlich damals eine natürliche Mutation. Heute zieren Blut-Buchen zahlreiche Landschaftsgärten in Europa, oft als herrliche Solitär-Bäume und „point de vue“. Warum hasst dieser Mensch diese Bäume so und scheut den Diskurs darüber?

Viele Grüße Frank

Devaluation

He again responded quickly - Evaluation probably <1 In particular, but not exclusively, the copper beeches have it done to him;-). They are already known since the 15th century, originally under the name Fagus sylvatica f atro-punicea (see Wekipedia), and probably at that time a natural mutation. Today beeches adorn numerous landscape gardens in Europe, often as beautiful solitaire trees and "point de vue". Why this man hates these trees so afraid and the discourse about it?

Greetings Frank


Martin Tijdgat, à 2014-07-06 10:03:31, a dit:
Maarten,

Wat heb je de sfeer van deze boom mooi gevat. Dank je wel voor deze foto!

Maarten Windemuller, à 2014-07-06 15:55:50, édité à 2014-07-06 15:58:49, a dit:
Hei Martin,

Dank je. Fototechnisch gezien zijn dit lastige bomen. Weinig licht en ruimte, daarbij regende het ook. Met een FL van 24 mm en cropfactor 1.6 had ik hier 8 foto's nodig. Er staat nog een andere 'trollenbeuk' op dit terrein. Daar kan ik nog geen bruikbare foto van selecteren. Ten oosten van Lund is een Trollenbos, waar dit soort trollenbeuken van nature voorkomen. Die in dat bos zijn hoger en bij zonnig weer zijn de lichtomstandigheden beter. Zie ook http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%BCntel-Buche

Groet, Maarten


Conifers, à 2014-07-05 22:49:04, a dit:
Gleditsia triacanthos

Gymnocladus has much larger, broader leaflets

Martin Tijdgat, à 2014-07-06 09:45:07, a dit:
Wim,

I agree with Conifers. I planted gymnoclades in the "Rozenhof" in Kortenhoef a few years ago. It has thicker and longer twigs and different leafs.

Wim Brinkerink, à 2014-07-06 11:51:35, a dit:
Thank you both, I will change it.

Martin Tijdgat, à 2014-07-06 09:52:45, a dit:
Bess,

Ik bezocht Willemstad lang geleden. Toen stonden er onderaan de grondwallen langs de vestinggracht enorme Robinia's. Heb je die niet meer aangetroffen of ben je daar niet geweest? Ik ben al tijden van plan die vestingwerken nog eens te bezoeken, vandaar dat ik het je vraag.

Bess, à 2014-07-06 11:07:23, a dit:
Dag Martin,

Ik zal er nog eens opnieuw naartoe moeten varen dan! Ik ben er ofwel voorbijgewandeld, ofwel heb ik toch niet heel de wal afgewandeld. Mijn oog voor Carpinus is wel iets scherper dan dat voor Robinia. Heel mooi bomen stadje. Ook heel wat typische linde laantjes en de berceau naar de kerk toe… .

Groeten!


Rainer Lippert, à 2014-07-05 14:32:30, a dit:
Hallo,

handelt es sich hier vielleicht um Acer cappadocicum?

Viele Grüße,

Rainer

Conifers, à 2014-07-05 17:57:41, a dit:
Yes, Acer cappadocicum.
Rainer Lippert, à 2014-07-06 07:02:04, a dit:
Danke für die Bestätigung.

Viele Grüße,

Rainer


Rainer Lippert, à 2014-07-03 17:11:16, a dit:
Hallo,

könnte es sich hier um Catalpa ovata handeln?

Viele Grüße,

Rainer

Conifers, à 2014-07-05 18:09:17, édité à 2014-07-05 18:10:46, a dit:
Leaf shape looks to fit Catalpa × erubescens (C. ovata × C. bignonioides) better; C. ovata has more deeply lobed leaves.

Edit: Can you get photos of the flowers?

Rainer Lippert, à 2014-07-06 07:01:36, a dit:
Hallo Conifers,

weitere Detailbilder habe ich leider nicht. Ich habe es jetzt mal in Catalpa × erubescens abgeändert.

Danke und viele Grüße,

Rainer


imarixus, à 2014-07-05 19:14:12, a dit:
Who's that girl?

Bess, à 2014-07-04 14:08:58, a dit:
Is there a clear difference between 'Atropunicea' and 'Purpurea'… I added them as 'Atropunicea' cause it seems more common… . That might be wrong!
Maarten Windemuller, à 2014-07-04 20:57:55, édité à 2014-07-05 09:53:19, a dit:
Dendrologie van de Lage Landen, 1e druk (= 14e druk van 'Nederlandse Dendrologie', dr. K.B. Boom), uitgave 2009 zegt hierover: 'Atropunicea'(F.s. atropurpurea [Kirchn]., F.s. purpurea [Aiton]), verzamelnaam voor alle bruine beuken; afzonderlijke klonen hieruit zijn .... etc..

Purpurea wordt niet meer genoemd.

Bess, à 2014-07-05 18:04:39, a dit:
Thanks!

Frank Gyssling, à 2014-07-05 16:23:32, a dit:
Abwertung

Er hat wieder schnell reagiert – Wertung vermutlich < 1. Im Besonderen, aber nicht ausschließlich, die Blutbuchen haben es ihm angetan ;-). Dabei sind sie schon seit dem 15. Jahrhundert bekannt, ursprünglich unter dem Namen Fagus sylvatica f. atro-punicea (s. Wekipedia), und vermutlich damals eine natürliche Mutation. Heute zieren Blut-Buchen zahlreiche Landschaftsgärten in Europa, oft als herrliche Solitär-Bäume und „point de vue“. Warum hasst dieser Mensch diese Bäume so und scheut den Diskurs darüber?

Viele Grüße Frank

Devaluation

He again responded quickly - Evaluation probably <1 In particular, but not exclusively, the copper beeches have it done to him;-). They are already known since the 15th century, originally under the name Fagus sylvatica f atro-punicea (see Wekipedia), and probably at that time a natural mutation. Today beeches adorn numerous landscape gardens in Europe, often as beautiful solitaire trees and "point de vue". Why this man hates these trees so afraid and the discourse about it?

Greetings Frank


Martin Tijdgat, à 2014-06-08 06:38:37, a dit:
This looks a lot like a Quercus petraea 'Mespilifolia'.

Conifers, à 2014-06-08 12:31:56, a dit:
I'd agree with that.

Leo Goudzwaard, à 2014-06-08 18:21:41, a dit:
Q. p. 'Mespilifolia' is not correct, the leaves are different, inbetween Q. robur and Q. petraea, likely Q. x rosaceae.

Rainer Lippert, à 2014-06-08 19:59:57, a dit:
Hallo Martin, Conifers und Leo,

ihr denkt also eher in Richtung Quercus Petraea? Hier hatte ich schon etwas darüber geschrieben:


Ich meine auch Weidenähnliche Blätter auszumachen. Bin mir aber nicht sicher. Im Park gibt es aber auch eine Quercus imbricaria, zumindest laut Schild am Stamm. Diese Eiche hat leider kein Schild.

Danke und viele Grüße,

Rainer


Martin Tijdgat, à 2014-06-11 17:51:09, a dit:
Dear friends,

I've looked at different images of Quercus petreae 'Mespilifolia' and Q. rosacae, but I still think this is a 'Mespilifolia' due to the forms of leaf at the base; drooping along the leafstalk.


Rainer Lippert, à 2014-06-11 19:54:32, a dit:
Hallo Martin,

ich habe mir jetzt im Internet auch Bilder zu Quercus petreae 'Mespilifolia' angeschaut. Ja, ich denke nun auch, dass es sich darum handelt. Die Blätter haben starke Ähnlichkeiten. Ich werde es entsprechend abändern.

Danke und viele Grüße,

Rainer


KoutaR, à 2014-06-12 07:25:42, a dit:
Hallo,

Das ist nicht die 'Mespilifolia'. Die echte 'Mespilifolia' hat fast alle Blätter ungelappt, aber viele Blätter dieses Baumes haben völlig normale Traubeneichenähnliche Form. NB: im Foto '32927' sind einige gelappte Blätter gefressen oder sonst in schlechtem Zustand und sehen deswegen ungelappt aus. Ich weiss nicht, ob es die Zurückkreuzung zwischen der 'Mespilifolia' und der normalen Traubeneiche gibt - ein Bisschen sowas sieht dieser Baum aus.


Martin Tijdgat, à 2014-06-12 10:03:11, a dit:
Dear friends,

Can it be that this is in fact a Quercus petraea cv. 'Mespilifolia', but with a lot of backlash to the original Q. petraea. I can't make out the distribution of mespilifolia-type leafs in comparison with the other leafs. We see this in more trees like Ulmus x hollandica 'Wredei' to 'Dampieri'.


Rainer Lippert, à 2014-06-12 17:47:25, a dit:
Hallo Kouta und Martin,

heute habe ich zufällig in einem Park eine Quercus petraea 'Mespilifolia' mit 3 m Umfang gesehen. Zumindest laut Schild. Also die Blätter haben schon starke Ähnlichkeiten zu diesem Baum hier gezeigt. Der Stamm war aber völlig anders, eigentlich untypisch für eine Traubeneiche. Passt denn der Stamm hier für eine 'Mespilifolia'?

Viele Grüße,

Rainer


Leo Goudzwaard, à 2014-06-12 18:07:31, édité à 2014-06-12 18:07:57, a dit:
I agree with Kouta: it is not a 'Mespilifolia', but Q. x rosaceae

KoutaR, à 2014-06-12 18:55:03, a dit:
Der Stamm von der 'Mespilifolia' ist identisch mit dem von der normalen Traubeneiche. Nur die Blätter sind anders.

Martin Tijdgat, à 2014-06-12 22:35:04, a dit:
Found good pictures of leafs etc. of Quercus x rosacea at www.aphoto.com. Agree this tree is a hybrid oak. (quercus_x_rosacea_hybrid_oak_tree_05-10-06_2.jpg 640x480 pixels)

Rainer Lippert, à 2014-07-05 15:56:35, a dit:
Hallo zusammen,

ich habe es jetzt in Quercus × rosacea abgeändert, mit dem Vermerk, dass es sich auch um Quercus petraea 'Mespilifolia' handeln kann. Ich denke, so dürfte es jetzt passen, nach den bisherigen Stimmen hier.

Danke und viele Grüße,

Rainer



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ulmusenthu2, à 2014-07-02 20:15:04, a dit:
Dear Sir,

I have loads of records of elm, not just in UK, but also in Australia, USA and Canada. I would like to share some of the details with you and indeed some of the pictures that go with them. Let me know if you are interested. Peter Bourne


Wim Brinkerink, à 2014-07-02 20:52:09, a dit:
Hi.. On this site there are a lot of interested people. They all share a love for trees. Some call it treehuggers. Feel free to upload what you have... You're welcome.

I am curious to see what you have.

Kind regards

Wim


Jeroen Philippona, à 2014-07-04 22:26:16, édité à 2014-07-04 22:28:57, a dit:
Hello Peter,

It would be very nice if you upload record elms of several species and cultivars, especially if you measured and photographed them yourself.

Do you have record elms from the UK wich have not been registrated by the Tree Register of the British Isles?

Regards,

Jeroen Philippona



Wim Brinkerink, à 2014-07-04 12:56:33, a dit:
Juli 2014

Bess, à 2014-07-04 12:33:28, a dit:
Zomer 2014. Men bouwt vlakbij de boom een nieuwe vleugel van het rusthuis. Hopelijk hoeft de boom er niet onder te lijden.

Alberto Cuervo Flores, à 2014-07-03 06:00:33, a dit:
¿ No hay arboles en tu pais ?
Jeroen Philippona, à 2014-07-03 21:17:47, édité à 2014-07-03 21:20:06, a dit:
Hi Alberto,

Quercus pyrenaica is not native in the Netherlands and Belgium, but perhaps there are a few trees of this species in special arboreta.

Quercus pyrenaica no es nativo de los Países Bajos y Bélgica, pero tal vez hay algunos árboles de esta especie en arboretos especial.

Jeroen

Alberto Cuervo Flores, à 2014-07-03 22:41:23, a dit:
Hi Jeroen,

Thank you very much for translating to the Spanish.

Yes, I think what the difference with Quercus robur is that pyrenaica needs dry season to develop correctly. In my house, in Galicia (Atlantic climate) I planted, Quercus ilex, faginea and pyrenaica, and i do not know if will grow well. (Although also influence soil) such faginea prefers calcareous soils. And in Galicia predominate siliceous soils.

Thanks and sorry for my english.

Alberto.


RedRob, à 2014-07-01 16:34:44, a dit:
Superb trees Karlheinz and Rainer, the Sycamore has a great profile, upright growth form (to my taste anway), so does the 33.5 metre Sweet Chestnut. It looks a very good area for tall trees, expecting to find any taller here, Sweet Chestnuts or Sycamores?

Rainer Lippert, à 2014-07-01 17:19:19, a dit:
Hallo RedRob,

dort gibt es ausergewöhnlich viele hohe Bäume. Im Arboretum dort gibt es über 1.000 verschiedene Baumarten. Da gibt es bestimmt noch so einige Rekorde, die wir aber nicht alle gefunden haben. Alleine an Douglasien schätze ich dort bestimmt mehr als 50 Bäume mit mehr als 60 m Höhe. Eigentlich der gesamte Bestand um die Waldtraut ist über 60 m hoch. Das ist einmalig in Deutschland.

Viele Grüße,

Rainer


RedRob, à 2014-07-03 16:41:46, édité à 2014-07-03 16:42:52, a dit:
Quote Rainer 'there are ausergewöhnlich many tall trees. In the Arboretum there are over 1,000 different species of trees. There are certainly quite a few records, but we did not all have been found. Alone at Douglas I guess there certainly more than 50 trees over 60 m in height. Actually, the entire contents to the Waldtraut is about 60 m high. This is unique in Germany'

RedRob-Sounds a very impressive collection and one to visit in Germany.

Kouta seems to be quiet at the moment, must be on a measuring expedition somewhere or other?


Rainer Lippert, à 2014-07-03 16:51:11, a dit:
Hallo RedRob,

ja, speziell was es Douglasien angeht, ist der Ort für Deutschland außergewöhnlich. Karlheinz und ich waren schon in Emmendingen und Ebersbach, wo bis vor zehn Jahren noch der jeweils höchste Baum Deutschlands hergekommen ist, bevor es die Waldtraut in Freiburg wurde. Dort stehen nur einzelne Douglasien, und die kommen nur knapp über die 60 m. Und in Freiburg hat der komplette Bestand mehr als 60 m. Im März und auch dieses mal haben wir wohl noch so zehn Douglasien mit 62 oder 63 m gemessen gehabt. Aber die haben uns nicht weiter interessiert.

Ob Kouta derzeit unterwegs ist weiß ich nicht.

Viele Grüße,

Rainer



RedRob, à 2014-07-03 16:33:46, a dit:
Britain and Ireland champion and current tallest measured in Europe. Has this one been under suspicion Owen of being the tallest and simply needed re-measuring or is this a completely new find for you?


RedRob, à 2014-07-03 16:28:17, a dit:
Hello Andre, thank you for posting these photographs, excellent photos, really gives an impression of the size of the trees and also the setting. The man climbing the tree looks very small indeed.


Alberto Cuervo Flores, à 2014-07-03 15:33:11, a dit:
Great fhoto! I like it !!

Leo Goudzwaard, à 2014-07-03 09:05:45, a dit:
prachtige vondst, een soort die erg zeldzaam is in NL en dan ook nog 3+. Er staat er een in het G.Hornemannplantsoen in Eindhoven van 2+


ulmusenthu2, à 2014-07-02 20:20:44, a dit:
Dear Sir,

The largest of any Ulmus x hollandica 'Vegeta' is in Prospect Park, Brooklyn, New York, USA. It is bigger than any I have seen on the net, in the field or any historical text. I do believe the NY Parks have measured it, but as yet I still haven't got the statistics. It can be seen on Streetview along with some very fine Ulmus hybrids from east Anglia and possible Ulmus plotii too. Incidently Ulmus plotii is planted in Australia around Tumut and Gundagai Shires.


Martin Tijdgat, à 2014-07-03 00:01:07, a dit:
There is a big example of the Huntingdon elm in the Netherlands at Breda, Wilhelminapark. Bigger ones are measured by Owen Johnstone at Queen's college, Cambridge, U.K.


ulmusenthu2, à 2014-07-02 20:51:41, a dit:
Ulmus wallichiana was planted in Brighton in the 1960's. Collected from the Himalayas by Prof's Hans Heybroek and Robert Melville the tree was cloned in Holland and sent to England where some of the trees were again transported to brighton. Hundreds were planted but only 60 survive today. The largest are at Longhill School, Rottingdean, Brighton. Elsewhere I only know of one tree in Kew RBG, Greater London.

Martin Tijdgat, à 2014-07-02 23:34:25, a dit:
A direct descendent of the first U. wallichiana trees of Hans Heijbroek is growing in the Beemster Arboretum just north of Amsterdam in The Netherlands. You can find it as number 17669 on MT. I am growing some seedlings from this tree


U. cultivar
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ulmusenthu2, à 2014-07-02 20:48:35, a dit:
Ulmus 'Lobel, 'Dodoens' and Plantijn' are widely planted now. Australia, New Zealand and even Eastern Europe sell the tree readily. I have seen examples all over the UK and Ireland. Ulmus 'Lobel' was first planted in Brighton and Hove as Ulmus '454' I do believe and some of these trees are still growing in parks and streets of central Brighton and Hove. There are examples all over Greater London and also in Hampshire.


ulmusenthu2, à 2014-07-02 20:40:51, a dit:
Ulmus minor ssp angustifolia is becoming scarce now in the UK. A few lucky trees still survive in South west Cornwall. In East Sussex there are around 30-40 trees in Brighton and Hove; and a smaller population in East Sussex. There are trees in lines in Bright (Victoria, Australia); an avenue north of the City Cemetery in Melbourne (all of one clone) and some in other towns dotted around Australia. It seems to be abscent from New Zealand; but a few trees survive in North-west USA and possibly British Colombia, Canada. There are one or two in Edinburgh, Scotland also.


American elm
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ulmusenthu2, à 2014-07-02 20:34:18, a dit:
Ulmus americana cultivars are still frequent in the North-east of the USA in Oregon and Washington States. There are many conical Dutch elm cultivars there too (namely in Portland, Oregon). Ulmus americana 'Beeb's Weeping' is still in some gardens and other much rarer trees including the golden leaved 'Aurea'. Ulmus americana also appears in Traralogan, Victoria, Australia and a huge tree can be found in Harrietville, NSW which may be Australia's largest. Generally however Ulmus americana is rare in Australia. There are several small trees in Canterbury County in New Zealand and in Canada some big trees can still be found in Winnipeg. Avenues are found in Quebec and Ontario although DED is making its to them slowly but surely.


ulmusenthu2, à 2014-07-02 20:28:11, a dit:
Ulmus procera is still common in Australia where there are some huge trees awaiting the tape in Bright (Victoria), Gundagai (NSW) and Tumut (NSW). It is widely seen in Melbourne and very tall in the south of Australia in Victoria state. There is an Ulmus procera in Lewes Road Brighton which is bigger than the Royal Pavilion Gardens tree and one other in Gundagai (NSW, Australia) which comes a very close second as the world's largest. A tree at the village of Norton, near Seaford, East Sussex recently died of old age with a girth of 170cm in diameter; it's shell can be seen behind Rose Cottage. There are trees in Scotland, the tallest known is there. There are also trees in New Zealand, New York State, Colorado, Australia and Malta to name but a few. I also have a photograph of the Crawley elm which was the largest ever recorded, taken a decade or two before it fell apart due to decay in the 1930's. The Crawley elm was over 40 feet round at the end of its life.


Dutch elm
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ulmusenthu2, à 2014-07-02 20:17:19, a dit:
Dear Sir,

Largest of all Dutch elm (Ulmus x hollandica 'Major' is in Ballarat Sports Ground, Victoria, Australia. It is much bigger than anything else to date. Pictures can be found on the Australian Tree Register website along with measurement details.

Peter Bourne



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