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Scholem Alejchem, à 2015-01-29 16:37:01, édité à 2015-01-29 16:44:03, a dit:
Liebe Leute

Leider mußte ich heute feststellen, daß alle großen Bäume im Kurpark, der Geldgier des Besitzers zum Opfer fielen. Irgendwie war ich der Tränen nahe, da es sich um einen der ersten Plätze handelt, den ich in MT reinstellte.

Möge den Besitzer der Blitz beim Scheissen treffen!


PS: Die großen (7-8 m) von Petronell sind angeblich auch weg, muß ich aber erst überprüfen

Martin Tijdgat, à 2015-01-27 06:34:03, a dit:
Hai Mich,

Welkom op MT. Kan je deze foto iets bewerken (helderder maken) en in de goede positie opnieuw uploaden?

Veel plezier met vinden, meten, fotograferen en toevoegen monumentale bomen.

Groet, Martin

WiPe, à 2015-01-27 19:59:06, a dit:
Vorig jaar is de grond onder de boom gefreesd om daar Rhodo's te planten. Het lijkt er op dat de Ginkgo daar last van ondervindt.
Wim Brinkerink, à 2015-01-29 13:51:14, a dit:
Dit is zo'n geval waar ik eerder over berichtte. In Windows 8.1. plaatst de verkenner de foto's automatisch verticaal.! Om hem in de juiste positie te krijgen, moet je de foto eerst met een fotobewerkingsprogramma roteren en opnieuw laden. Pas dan wordt die in de juiste stand zichtbaar.

Leo Goudzwaard, à 2015-01-28 14:58:50, a dit:
prachtige knothaagbeuk in het Meerdaelwoud, dit is geen meerstammige boom, dus kun je wijzigen, altijd leuk om in het vervolg omtrek te meten, Leo

WiPe, à 2015-01-24 14:46:51, a dit:
The variety 'Versicolor hs golden spots on the leaves. But as this foto shows, the spots are not located at the outside of the branches, but a little lower, so the averall look of this tree is not 'versicolor' but rather green.
wwhiteside97, à 2015-01-24 15:08:23, a dit:
Thanks, the foliage of the photo I uploaded doesn't really match the photo you uploaded, it has the golden down the middle of the ends of the branches.
WiPe, à 2015-01-27 19:56:45, édité à 2015-01-27 19:57:23, a dit:
I have been checking the images in Van gelderen D.M., Van Hoey Smith J.R.P., Conifers, Timber Press 1996, page 154.

I must admit the description you give fits better to what the images in this book show.

Or, our plant is wrong labeled, or the plant is too much shaded and shows very bad colour.

TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, à 2015-01-23 18:41:35, a dit:
This is probably the yew that was reported as 364cm girth for Loudon's Arboretum et Fruticetum Britannicum in 1835-7. 'Rediscovring' a tree after a 180 years' gap doesn't happen every day - well done!

wwhiteside97, à 2015-01-23 22:06:39, édité à 2015-01-23 23:45:53, a dit:
This is very interesting, I will upload a picture of the tree if this would help. Would you have any idea whereabouts in this book that it mentions this yew tree? I have been looking through the book online for the past hour and a half and I couldn't find anything mentioning Gosford... Although I could be looking at the wrong volume perhaps?

TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, à 2015-01-24 19:42:38, a dit:
There are four volumes of text in Arboretum et Fruticetum Britannicum (and four of illustrations). A few years ago when I added the trees in them to the Tree Register, all were available online through Google Books, but last time I looked I was only able to find later editions of one or two of the volumes. I think the species are arranged family by family but I can't remember which volume Taxus is in. Under Taxus baccata there should be a long list of specimens measured by Loudon's corespondents, arranged in approximate geographical order. Having said that, the records for Taxus had already been imput onto the Tree Register by Alan Mitchell many years ago and I didn't check through them all, so it's just possible that an error has crept in somewhere. Let's hope not, as the match seems such a good one!

wwhiteside97, à 2015-01-24 22:11:39, a dit:

I found the long list of recorded trees, there is a mention of Gosford but it is Gosford House in Edinburgh, however, I don't think the measurements for this tree in Edinburgh match the 364cm that you mentioned.

TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, à 2015-01-26 18:54:52, a dit:
It must have been the Scottish Gosford. We had problems when we were transferring Alan's card-index register onto computer when different sites shared the same name. There may in this case have been a mix-up between girth and diameter as well. A pity as it would have been good to find a previous record for your big yew.

Alberto C F, à 2015-01-26 15:02:59, a dit:
The stature of the person in the picture is 1,86 m

La estatura de la persona de la foto es 1,86 m

John D Harvey, à 2015-01-26 00:30:27, a dit:
I doubt these are the exact coordinates of the tree. Although it is a nice little patch of old growth.

Martin Tijdgat, à 2015-01-25 02:18:45, a dit:
Stunning picture, great colors. Thanks!
Alberto C F, à 2015-01-25 11:15:36, a dit:
Thanks Martin!

wwhiteside97, à 2015-01-20 15:50:01, a dit:
On the left is the foliage of a neighbouring common yew, showing the difference in foliage between that of the common yew and this tree.
Conifers, à 2015-01-20 17:56:37, a dit:
Looks like just a long-leaved cultivar of Common Yew ;-)
wwhiteside97, à 2015-01-20 18:12:14, a dit:
Thanks for this, didn't know there was a long leaved cultivar of the common Yew, bark is still different to other Yew trees though.
Martin Tijdgat, à 2015-01-20 18:14:27, a dit:
WW and Conifers,

Longer leafs, more pointed leafs. I don't know the species, but is Taxus chinensis possible?

Greetings, Martin Tijdgat

foomanz, à 2015-01-20 21:11:18, a dit:
If the fruit suggests a Podocarpaceae, then perhaps a Prumnopitys sp (sometimes called yew pines, along with Podocarpus macrophyllus). I'm not familiar with old world candidates.



wwhiteside97, à 2015-01-20 21:36:17, a dit:
Matt and Martin,

I will have a closer look at the tree tomorrow, it is very yew like in appearance but the leaves are nearly twice as long as the common yew and the bark is definitely softer than that of the common yew, you can peel tufts of it off.

Conifers, à 2015-01-20 23:59:13, a dit:
I've seen one or more (un-named) Taxus baccata cultivar(s) with leaves this long. But the soft bark is odd; that doesn't fit any Taxus well. Cones ('berries') would help, if there are any, but January isn't a good time (and even in autumn, there's still a 50% chance it might be male!).

It isn't Prumnopitys andinus, and I doubt any other species in this genus either.

WiPe, à 2015-01-21 08:22:16, édité à 2015-01-21 13:02:43, a dit:
Prumnopitys and Cephalotaxus can be easily recognised when bending te leaves. When you bend them, and they break when bended completely, it will be most probably Prumnopitys or Cephalotaxus. If not, yu can exclude both genera.

Prumnopitys also has pale stomata where those of Taxus are green.

wwhiteside97, à 2015-01-21 12:22:43, a dit:
Conifers, I will have a look for any signs of fruit or cones, but as you say it might be the wrong type of year for it.

WiPe, I will bend the leaves then to see and I'll have a look at the stomata, thanks for this.

wwhiteside97, à 2015-01-21 12:26:29, a dit:
Conifers, the bark is softish and as I mentioned before you can also peel bits of it off in tufts, definitely not smooth or Flaky as common Yew is, especially for a tree this age.
Conifers, à 2015-01-21 17:45:13, a dit:
Keep a look out for pollen cones too - they should be in bud or just starting to open at this time of year. Taxus scattered or in rows on the underside of the shoot, Cephalotaxus in dense rows on the underside of the shoot, Prumnopitys in stalked clusters.
WiPe, à 2015-01-21 18:57:54, a dit:
I have added a foto of the stem of Prumnopitys andina. This stem is only 17 cm circumference, thus rather small.

In my opninion this tree is far to young to call it a monumental tree. i have just added fot your help on this one. I will not keep it on the side but for a few days.

I have also added an image of the backside of the needles. The needles are hardly bigger as those of Taxus baccata.

Conifers, à 2015-01-21 23:07:14, édité à 2015-01-21 23:07:40, a dit:
Prumnopitys andina again (at RBG Edinburgh), a male plant with pollen cone panicles developing bottom centre and right:


wwhiteside97, à 2015-01-22 15:30:58, a dit:
Underside of P. Andina leaves look similar but the picture of the foliage from RBG Edinburgh shows no similarities, I will check the pollen cones this afternoon.
wwhiteside97, à 2015-01-22 18:15:13, a dit:
Hello all, I've uploaded 2 images of what I found under the shoots on one of the branches.
Conifers, à 2015-01-23 00:28:54, a dit:
Thanks! Those are dried-out / undeveloped Taxus seed 'cones'; so definitely a yew; most likely a cultivar of Taxus baccata, given the rarity of other yews in cultivation.
wwhiteside97, à 2015-01-23 01:05:29, a dit:
Thanks! This would make sense as the tree is definitely very yew like in appearance and I actually thought it was a Yew until the other day when I decided to have a walk underneath it and found it to be slightly different.
Martin Tijdgat, à 2015-01-23 01:26:34, a dit:
WW and Conifers,

So it is no longer an undetermined species, but "a" Taxus. Taxus baccata, Taxus x media, or another Taxus? Is there a picture of the whole tree?

WiPe, à 2015-01-23 13:56:50, a dit:
Taxus celebica??? http://www.worldbotanical.com/taxus_celebica.htm

Or maybe another species from Taxus-sumatrana group???


Conifers, à 2015-01-23 18:28:19, a dit:
Not Taxus sumatrana (syn. T. celebica); that has different, very distinctive foliage. I'd stick with a T. baccata cultivar.

As an aside, that www.worldbotanical.com website is highly unreliable, splits Taxus up into a multitude of "species" on the flimsiest of evidence; it is not accepted by any other taxonomists.

TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, à 2015-01-23 18:58:23, a dit:
I can't add to this thread, other than to remark that Taxus cuspidata seems to be the only other Taxus that wants to reach tree-size in Britain/Ireland, and that the bark of the big old one at Borde Hill is a bit sponger and browner than common Yew, but the leaves are no bigger.
wwhiteside97, à 2015-01-24 15:58:16, a dit:
Wouldn't be sure with the foliage of T. Cuspidata but the spongier bark sounds familiar. I wouldn't feel confident in distinguishing between the pair, are there any known cultivars of T. Baccata with spongier bark?

robur73, à 2012-10-27 20:45:37, a dit:
Beautiful tree. Thanks.
Tim, à 2015-01-24 15:42:16, a dit:
Hi Joel,

would you be able to correct the coordinates of this tree?

You can do this by clicking on the the coordinates in the right column, and then clicking on the icon on the map.



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Tim, à 2015-01-24 12:59:24, a dit:
Hi Temink,

welcome at the site.

Do you perhaps know the exact position of the tree at Doddington Hall?

You can change the coordinates of a tree by clicking on the tree's icon on the map.



TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, à 2015-01-23 18:52:45, a dit:
Unlike the other one this is Betula pubescens, Downy Birch (the commoner native birch species except on sandy soil). You can tell by the bark which remains fairly evenly coloured and thin at the base - rugged black base for B. pendula.

wwhiteside97, à 2015-01-23 22:03:00, a dit:
Thanks, will change it to B. Pubescens now.

Nardo Kaandorp, à 2015-01-20 20:59:17, a dit:
Beste Smal65,

Bedankt voor het ontrafelen van de identiteit van deze boom. Ik had hem al een paar keer gezien, maar geen idee wat het was. De eerste van zijn soort op MT. Kende je deze soort?

smal65, à 2015-01-22 19:28:28, a dit:
We kwamen deze soort tegen tijdens een excursie van de NDV (Nederlandse dendrologische vereniging). Degene die de excursie leidde wist deze boom te vinden. In het arboretum Trompenburg in Rotterdam staat de soort ook, alleen veel kleiner.
Nardo Kaandorp, à 2015-01-22 19:47:43, a dit:
Kijk dat zijn nog eens leerzame excursies. Had ik ook bij willen zijn. Hoe oud zou de boom zijn? Ik kwam nog een oude meting van mij tegen van een "raar sparretje" dd 9-12-2010. De omtrek was toen 2,49m bij een hoogte van 15,6m
Leo Goudzwaard, à 2015-01-22 19:51:22, a dit:
Geweldig zo'n groot exemplaar van deze zeldzame soort. Ik ken o.a. een fraai ex. van Torreya californica in het pinetum van Schovenhorst, maar is nog te klein voor MT.

Met deze Torreya en gisteren de zachte berk zijn nu al 187 soorten in NL met een ex. dikker dan 2 meter; op naar de 200!

Nardo Kaandorp, à 2015-01-22 20:08:38, a dit:
Nog 13 te gaan! Ik hoop dat ik er ook nog 1 van mag ontdekken. Hoe schat jij de leeftijd in Leo?
Leo Goudzwaard, à 2015-01-23 16:15:29, a dit:
leeftijd is niet te schatten, want ik heb geen referentie voor deze soort. Nardo zet je die oude meting er nog op?

Leo Goudzwaard, à 2015-01-22 19:37:34, a dit:
This is not the common Juniper (J. communis), but probably an old Juniperus x media 'Pfitzeriana'.

Wim Brinkerink, à 2015-01-23 09:45:22, a dit:
Dank Leo, Ik heb hem even gegoogled en dat geeft hetzelfde resultaat. Vind je hem interessant genoeg om hier te laten staan?

Leo Goudzwaard, à 2015-01-23 16:07:49, a dit:
hoi Wim, ja hoor, het is een oudje, dus interessant.

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franktip, à 2014-12-14 18:04:11, a dit:
As I was reading the section on sequoia trees outside their natural range, I noticed that there was no information about sequoia trees in Africa. I can confirm that they exist: I was recently in South Africa where I visited the Stellenbosch University Botanical Garden in the city of Stellenbosch, where they have a giant sequoia growing side-by-side with a california redwood. Unfortunately, I did not take any pictures, but the trees are mentioned on the garden's wikipedia entry:


Tim B, à 2015-01-23 10:34:43, a dit:
Hi Frank,

I added the tree: Stellenbosch University Botanical Garden

Can you check the exact coordinate on the map? (It can be changed by clicking on the marker)

Probably I placed the icon close to the tree anyway as it is a very small botanical garden, but I couldn't see the tree on Streetview or on the satellite imagery.

Kind regards,


franktip, à 2015-01-23 14:11:23, a dit:
Hi Tim,

Thanks for adding the tree! I am glad to have contributed in this small way.

The location looks approximately right. I don't remember enough of the garden's layout

to pinpoint it further, but this will certainly be good enough because, as you said,

the garden is quite small, and it is hard to overlook a giant sequoia :-) As I recall,

there is a coast redwood right next to it, which is somewhat amusing.

I wonder if there are more sequoia's elsewhere in South AFrica. I didn't see any

in the (very large and beautiful) Kirstenbosch Gardens, but that is to be expected

because that place is focused on indigenous trees and plants.

best regards,



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