Welkom op MT. Kan je deze foto iets bewerken (helderder maken) en in de goede positie opnieuw uploaden?
Veel plezier met vinden, meten, fotograferen en toevoegen monumentale bomen.
Vorig jaar is de grond onder de boom gefreesd om daar Rhodo's te planten. Het lijkt er op dat de Ginkgo daar last van ondervindt.
Dit is zo'n geval waar ik eerder over berichtte. In Windows 8.1. plaatst de verkenner de foto's automatisch verticaal.! Om hem in de juiste positie te krijgen, moet je de foto eerst met een fotobewerkingsprogramma roteren en opnieuw laden. Pas dan wordt die in de juiste stand zichtbaar.
The variety 'Versicolor hs golden spots on the leaves. But as this foto shows, the spots are not located at the outside of the branches, but a little lower, so the averall look of this tree is not 'versicolor' but rather green.
Thanks, the foliage of the photo I uploaded doesn't really match the photo you uploaded, it has the golden down the middle of the ends of the branches.
I have been checking the images in Van gelderen D.M., Van Hoey Smith J.R.P., Conifers, Timber Press 1996, page 154.
I must admit the description you give fits better to what the images in this book show.
Or, our plant is wrong labeled, or the plant is too much shaded and shows very bad colour.
On the left is the foliage of a neighbouring common yew, showing the difference in foliage between that of the common yew and this tree.
Looks like just a long-leaved cultivar of Common Yew ;-)
Thanks for this, didn't know there was a long leaved cultivar of the common Yew, bark is still different to other Yew trees though.
WW and Conifers,
Longer leafs, more pointed leafs. I don't know the species, but is Taxus chinensis possible?
Greetings, Martin Tijdgat
If the fruit suggests a Podocarpaceae, then perhaps a Prumnopitys sp (sometimes called yew pines, along with Podocarpus macrophyllus). I'm not familiar with old world candidates.
Matt and Martin,
I will have a closer look at the tree tomorrow, it is very yew like in appearance but the leaves are nearly twice as long as the common yew and the bark is definitely softer than that of the common yew, you can peel tufts of it off.
I've seen one or more (un-named) Taxus baccata cultivar(s) with leaves this long. But the soft bark is odd; that doesn't fit any Taxus well. Cones ('berries') would help, if there are any, but January isn't a good time (and even in autumn, there's still a 50% chance it might be male!).
It isn't Prumnopitys andinus, and I doubt any other species in this genus either.
Prumnopitys and Cephalotaxus can be easily recognised when bending te leaves. When you bend them, and they break when bended completely, it will be most probably Prumnopitys or Cephalotaxus. If not, yu can exclude both genera.
Prumnopitys also has pale stomata where those of Taxus are green.
Conifers, I will have a look for any signs of fruit or cones, but as you say it might be the wrong type of year for it.
WiPe, I will bend the leaves then to see and I'll have a look at the stomata, thanks for this.
Conifers, the bark is softish and as I mentioned before you can also peel bits of it off in tufts, definitely not smooth or Flaky as common Yew is, especially for a tree this age.
Keep a look out for pollen cones too - they should be in bud or just starting to open at this time of year. Taxus scattered or in rows on the underside of the shoot, Cephalotaxus in dense rows on the underside of the shoot, Prumnopitys in stalked clusters.
I have added a foto of the stem of Prumnopitys andina. This stem is only 17 cm circumference, thus rather small.
In my opninion this tree is far to young to call it a monumental tree. i have just added fot your help on this one. I will not keep it on the side but for a few days.
I have also added an image of the backside of the needles. The needles are hardly bigger as those of Taxus baccata.
Prumnopitys andina again (at RBG Edinburgh), a male plant with pollen cone panicles developing bottom centre and right:
Underside of P. Andina leaves look similar but the picture of the foliage from RBG Edinburgh shows no similarities, I will check the pollen cones this afternoon.
Hello all, I've uploaded 2 images of what I found under the shoots on one of the branches.
Thanks! Those are dried-out / undeveloped Taxus seed 'cones'; so definitely a yew; most likely a cultivar of Taxus baccata, given the rarity of other yews in cultivation.
Thanks! This would make sense as the tree is definitely very yew like in appearance and I actually thought it was a Yew until the other day when I decided to have a walk underneath it and found it to be slightly different.
WW and Conifers,
So it is no longer an undetermined species, but "a" Taxus. Taxus baccata, Taxus x media, or another Taxus? Is there a picture of the whole tree?
Not Taxus sumatrana
(syn. T. celebica
); that has different, very distinctive foliage. I'd stick with a T. baccata
As an aside, that www.worldbotanical.com website is highly unreliable, splits Taxus up into a multitude of "species" on the flimsiest of evidence; it is not accepted by any other taxonomists.
I can't add to this thread, other than to remark that Taxus cuspidata seems to be the only other Taxus that wants to reach tree-size in Britain/Ireland, and that the bark of the big old one at Borde Hill is a bit sponger and browner than common Yew, but the leaves are no bigger.
Wouldn't be sure with the foliage of T. Cuspidata but the spongier bark sounds familiar. I wouldn't feel confident in distinguishing between the pair, are there any known cultivars of T. Baccata with spongier bark?
This church and the yew tree are in the county of Sussex not Surrey. I wish you would amend your records as the facts are incorrect
It appears to me that this record is correct. Can it be possible that you have been confusing Crowhurst, Surrey iglesia de San Jorge
and Crowhurst, East Sussex parish churchyard
I do apologise for my error. Having recently visited the parish church in Crowhurst East Sussex & seen the magnificent oak tree I though that was the one you were referring to. I am amazed that there are 2 churches & villages with the same names & such old oak trees. Once again I am sorry if I have caused confusion but many thanks for your prompt reply.
I write to update you on the latest developments concerning the felling of one of Britain’s most important heritage trees. The tree was a 187 year old cedar of Lebanon known as The Duke of Wellington Cedar, and it was felled by one of our most respected institutions, The National Trust (http://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/).
I accept that Britain is far from home for many of you, so please press delete now if you are not interested. However, if you would like to see more, then view a video here which provides some more background and shows one of the trees being felled:
I visited the property while the felling was under way and recorded a video that can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BypBkilAHcI&feature=youtu.be.
Additionally, in order to provide a more factual, balanced and technically credible perspective, I have prepared and published a briefing note that can be accessed at http://www.barrelltreecare.co.uk/pdfs/BTC88-BriefingNote-Complete-080114.pdf.
You can read more about on this blog:
You can also see the National Trust response and public comments at:
For those of us concerned with protecting heritage trees, what is of interest in this case is how we have managed to utilize modern media through the video and YouTube to organize the substantial support necessary to give us a credible platform to complain about the behaviour of a very big organisation. The National Trust is a 4 million strong member organisation and one of the biggest landowners in Europe, so it does not readily listen to lone voices. However, through this video and the voting mechanism that allows ‘likes’ and ‘dislikes’ to be recorded, we have generated nearly 5,000 hits so far, which is uneard of in Britain.
We have used this mandate to write to The Trust with a view to preventing future losses of these irreplaceable living heritage assets. It remains to be seen how successful this will be, but it would be great if you could lend your support by viewing and voting on the video.
Thank you for taking the time to read this and I hope that you will be able join me in giving heritage trees a voice. You can keep up to date with events as they unfold through my Facebook page at https://www.facebook.com/pages/Heritage-Tree-Management/573985506028429.
We had already remarked the felling of these Cedars, see:http://www.monumentaltrees.com/nl/overleg/115#-23935 (start was in Dutch). Actually that was because of your action on Youtube.
Also the trees were already with photos on this website.
There are some English men very active at this website, among who Owen Johnson of the Tree Register of the British Isles and several Dutch and Flemish guys have visited the UK often and put information and photos of trees at this website.
I was at Kingston Lacy in July last summer and am very dissapointent these great trees have been cut now. My wife and I rested some time under the Duke of Wellington Cedar and never had the feeling this was a risky tree.
Also it is very distrusting that the National Trust has done this, it seems to give a precedent for many landowners to cut trees wich could give some risk.
Very good you have started this action and I hope it will get a lot of attention and awareness of the people as well as the National Trust and other landowners. Did you get responce from official organisations wich deal with the conservation of trees and landscapes?
I asked Owen Johnson and David Alderman of the Tree Register by E-mail about their opinion on the felling of the Cedars, but till now they did not respond.
I wish you a lot of success with your battle for a better preservation of monumental and heritage trees!
Contact person of the Dutch "Bomenstichting" (Tree Foundation of the Netherlands).
Good morning Jeroen
Thank you for your quick response. I was not sure if you knew that the tree had been felled, especially as you had such good photogrpahs on your website of it.
The video has now had nearly 5,000 views and we are trying to use this support to engage with The National Trust to see if we can get it to agree a more appropriate management approach to other important trees it owns, but it is not responding at the moment. We will continue to try, and I will keep you updated on pgoress, but in the meantime, the more people that view the video and support it, the stronger our argument to The Trust that is should take notice.
Thank you for your support and for the great work you are doing with your website.
Keep up the good work. It's a shame they did put down a tree like this one.
If you can't trust the National Trust?
Greetings from Holland, Han van Meegeren
What about the Arboricultural Assosiation? What is their opinion in this act?
Han & WiPe
Thank you for your support. The Dutch have been very interested in this tree, which is great to see. Regarding organisations taking a lead in complaining to the National Trust, it is always more difficult for them to speak out because they need the support of their members and not all will be in agreement with my position. It seems that individuals need to lead the way and hopefully any support that we can gather will draw in wider support from organisations. It should also be remembered that the National Trust do very good work generally, but something clearly went wrong in this case. I have written to the Director General and Chairman, and we need to see if there is a positive response. This tree is now lost, and our focus now needs to be on making sure other great trees are not lost in the same way. I think we can do it, but it will take time and support from around the world. So thank you all for your support and we will keep working on this.
This corresponds with the big Chinese Fir, great speciman, never seen one remotely near this size. What will be the potential tallest height in the UK?
Actually a Cunninghamia, not a fir (Abies). There used to be one at Bicton in Devon 30m tall, but I recollect reading it's no longer there.
The Mount Usher tree slightly exceeds a number of good ones in the old gardens of Devon and Cornwall. This is a conifer from well south in China, so it likes a warm but humid growing season, and not too much winter frost. We cannot really match these conditions in Britain or Ireland, so it is always going to be a bit of a disappointment besides its redwood allies.
In Belgium, the largest Cunninghamia lanceolata grows in Beisbroek park,near Brugge. According to the inventarisation of the Belgian dendrological society, the trees has a heigth of 23 m and a girth of 233 cm.
today I made the loading of the image pages faster.
Individual photos (the pages with the rating on and other image details) should now load faster, which should make it more fun to browse through the photos.
This has made a real difference in the time it takes to upload photos - thanks.
I have found that the site crashes most frequently when I have recorded a new tree at a new site and, instead of getting the new site's webpage, I get a '404' error message: 'The requested URL was not found on this server'. I don't know if this is an issue that can be fixed, or if it is a communications failure with Google Maps. The only way around this I can find is to press the 'go back' button, enter the tree again, and then I get the new site's webpage showing the same tree entered twice with successive identification numbers (I then delete one of these). I am sorry if this technical English is not easy to understand!
If anyone can suggest an easier way of escaping the crash, I'd be interested to hear.
this sounds like an easy error to fix. I tried to reproduce the error by registering a new tree at a new site, but "sadly" everything went fine.
If you would encounter this again, could you be so kind to send me the url of the 404 page and the location where you were trying to add a tree? I prefer technical English :) - the more details, the better - as often most of my time is spent trying to find out what somebody meant with "adding the tree didn't work", instead of fixing it and making sure it cannot happen again. Urls are the best way.
I had this problem before. I tried to register a new tree and got the same error
404 Not Found
The requested URL /nl/fra/querqueville/7644_eglisenotredameetchapellesaintgermain/ was not found on this server.
the URL is
I also have the same problem when adding a new place here. When I got the not found error, the tree added is visible on the recent changes page. I used to go there, click the tree just added at a new place and then continue adding measurements and photos. When adding a second tree, so without creating a new place, there is no problem.
Thanks for the detailed messages. I'll try to look at this still this week.
I have a cross (not ordinary) but made from some short of branch that was given to me over 20 years ago. I was told that this was made from a rare tree grown only in Switzerland...how can I find out if this is the truth
There are no trees that occur only in Switzerland, as very similar habitats with no barriers to plant colonisation are also found in the Alps in France, Italy, Austria, etc.
Perhaps the most likely tree is Pinus cembra.
Determination of wood can be done in a xylarium likt the one in Tervuren (Belgium)http://www.africamuseum.be/collections/browsecollections/naturalsciences/earth/xylarium
or the wood database CWAR in Madison, Wisconsinhttp://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/search/madw_displaycollection_details.php?madw_id=1395&mime_counter=0
You can also browse their collections and compare the wood of your cross with the images on this sites.
Ik ben zo net op uw site beland.
Ik zelf heb een sequoia boom ongeveer 20 jaar geleden gekocht.
Hij heeft al een hele hoogte bereikt.
De naalden beginnen onderaan bruin te worden en verder naar boven toe.
Ik vrees dat ik hem zal verliezen.
Kunt u mij enige raad geven waardoor hij als nog gered kan worden?
mvg L. Stas.
heel veel water geven en eind oktober in de volle grond planten, mocht hij nog in een pot staan.
Dank voor de snelle reaktie ivm de mammoetboom
Hij staat in volle grond, al zo'n 20 jaar.
Kan ik eventueel voeding of meststof geven of is het toch de droogte.
Besproei ik dan de boom of voornamelijk de grond?
Dank en groeten, L. Stas.
mest is niet nodig, zelfs onwenselijk, maar wel heel veel water geven, vooral langdurig zodat het water diep in de bodem kan dringen. In de grond natuurlijk want daarin zitten de wortels.
het is een droog jaar geweest. De Sequoias beginnen daarom vroeger de oude naalden te verliezen. Dat is een natuurlijke process: brown out. Water is goed, maar ook niet te veel. Afhankelijk van de grond. Te veel op een zware goed water houdende grond gaat problemen met Botrytis opleveren.
In ieder geval niet meer doen. Meestal komen de bomen zelf tegen aan. Het zou ook helpen hier enkele fotos intestellen.
Groeten uit Duitsland van een Sequoiavriend,
Leo en Frank,
allebei heel veel dank voor de reaktie.
Ik zal alvast beginnen met water geven, de boom staat in kleigrond. In de zomer bij droog, warm weer, wordt die grond keihard, in de andere (natte) seizoenen is hij "papperig en smeuïg". Rond de stam groeit bodembedekking (hondsdraf), misschien kan ik die best verwijderen. Ik zag op foto's dat de bomen onderaan geen takken hebben terwijl ik die nooit verwijdert heb?
Ik hou jullie op de hoogte van het verder verloop, ik vermoed dat het enige tijd zal vragen.
Dank en groeten, L. Stas?
bodembedekking is goed voor de boom
Je kan best een dunne laag goed verteerde kompost onder de boom leggen, dat helpt tegen het uitdrogen van de bodem, maar maakt ook de zware kleigrond wat lichter. Je mag die kompost gerust een tot twee meter voorbij de kruin uitspreiden. Bodembedekking met hondsdraf is zeer goed, stukken beter dan gras.
Dank voor jullie reacties.
De bruin-rosse kleur zit al tot boven, niet zo sterk als onderaan, daar is minstens 1 tak helemaal verkleurd.
Zou het beter zijn de onderste takken af te zagen zodat de stam daar zichtbaar wordt, nu hangen de takken namelijk tot op de grond. Ik vind trouwens dat de stam ook een beetje "rossig" wordt! (zou dat suggestie zijn!).
Over enkele weken komt mijn zoon, die kan foto's nemen om rechtstreeks naar deze site door te sturen, ik bezit namelijk niet zo'n toestel.
Groeten, Lieve Stas.
Ik probeer foto's door te sturen van de segoia-boom waarover ik reeds berichtte.
Het lukt mij niet via deze site.
Kan ik eventueel een E-mail adres krijgen waarnaar ik ze kan sturen of heeft u richtlijnen om het alsnog langs deze pagina te doen?
Dank en groeten, L. Stas.
Je kan best de boom op de site toevoegen en dan foto's uploaden. Dan kan je daarnaar verwijzen op deze overlegpagina.
De knoppen om een boom toe te voegen staan rechts bovenaan de pagina.
Gezondheid van onze mammoetboom
Beste mensen, wie kan a.d.h. van de foto's de gezondheid van onze mammeotboom inschatten ? Wat kunnen we er aan doen zodat de boom weer voller wordt ?
Foto's kunnen een beeld geven, maar het is niet makkelijk om alleen op die manier een goed beeld van een probleem te krijgen. Een goede beschrijving van de standplaats met vermelding van eventuele wijzigingen kan ook helpen om een beeld te vormen van het probleem.