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Rayn, en 2014-09-20 19:49:46, ha dicho:
Is it known why it's called Schwedeneiche?
Rainer Lippert, en 2014-09-20 20:03:10, ha dicho:
Hallo Rayn,

im 30-jährigen Krieg, 1643, standen schwedische Truppen vor den Toren von Weida. Die Stadt wurde dann schließlich von den Schweden zurückerobert. Die Eiche wurde dann 1644 von der Bevölkerung aus Dankbarkeit zur Schwedeneiche erklärt. So die Erzählung.

Viele Grüße,


Rayn, en 2014-09-21 09:51:16, ha dicho:
Thank you. Magnificent trees get even more interesting with a history.

Rainer Lippert, en 2014-09-20 22:02:37, ha dicho:
Oh, 0,5 als Bewertung, doch so viel.

Viele Grüße,


Rayn, en 2014-09-21 09:49:48, ha dicho:
3.5 and counting...

The 'Owen Johnson Tree'.
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RedRob, en 2014-09-20 16:19:32, modificado en 2014-09-20 17:38:45, ha dicho:
abeto de Douglas (Pseudotsuga menziesii) '19364'

I don't know what the convention and protocol is for naming trees but I think that this tree deserves more than being called '19364'. I also think that this is a superb stand of trees which were brought to light more fully and recorded with no fanfair in 2005. I think that credit is deserving and recognition. I don't know as said what the convention is, can the first person to measure a tree add a name, but I would like to give this tree a name and it will be the 'Owen Johnson Tree'.

Owen, if you are not happy with this just say but I think that you are very deserving of recognition.

Martin Tijdgat, en 2014-09-21 06:51:33, ha dicho:
Naming a splendit tree is in my opinion a good habbit. And why name tree only after kings or queens or to remember certain occasions? In Kortenhoef a Elm is called "Luijt Postma tree" after a retiring coworker of our office of public works. So please give this tree this name.

Martin Tijdgat, en 2014-09-21 06:51:55, ha dicho:
Naming a splendit tree is in my opinion a good habbit. And why name tree only after kings or queens or to remember certain occasions? In Kortenhoef a Elm is called "Luijt Postma tree" after a retiring coworker of our office of public works. So please give this tree this name.

Martin Tijdgat, en 2014-09-21 06:39:14, ha dicho:

RedRob, en 2014-09-20 16:34:17, ha dicho:
Hello Rainer, great tree, do you have any longer distance photos that you could add? There is fore shortening in the photos that you have put on so the full height cannot be appreciated?

Rainer Lippert, en 2014-09-20 22:20:32, ha dicho:
Hallo RedRob,

nein, leider habe ich kein Foto von weiter weg. Man sieht diesen Baum auch nur recht schön von dieser Seite aus, von den anderen Seite her ist er von den Nachbarbäumen bedeckt.

Viele Grüße,


Stephen Verge, en 2014-09-19 07:26:10, ha dicho:
Wow amazing!

Rob ever thought of purchasing one of those poles used in surveying so you can measure above the vegetation and add on accurately the remainder?


RedRob, en 2014-09-20 16:11:23, ha dicho:
Good idea Stephen, many more trees have clear views to the base but some like these don't so it would be useful.

Meant to add about this tree and it's measurement, bought a new twin pack Lithium CR2 pack for this visit but after the initial measurement, changed to the new/spare battery to double check the reading in case of any battery drain on the first battery that I used or any fault. Same readings.

RedRob, en 2014-09-20 16:27:37, ha dicho:
Also meant to say, this tree looked sparser then the neighbouring trees in front of it, it was a more open tree which can actually be appreciated in the photos. Hoping that it hasn't got the needle drop disease or small signs of it? Maybe it is just a more open crowned speciman that the two denser, lusher specimans next to it.

Stephen Verge, en 2014-09-16 07:26:04, ha dicho:
Hi Rob

Wow at least 6 trees over 60m! How long are the leaders of these trees Rob? Any noticeable wind damage from last winter?

I saw these trees in the dark with the car headlights and kick myself for running out of time to see them last year, will have to return soon. Looks like the weather will change next week so may hold off holiday there, until another anticyclone arrives to ensure good weather in Wales.

Will be at Europe's largest forestry show on Sat in the Midlands so may look at impulse lasers and the new model out and may or may not be tempted! Trouble is that would I have the time to use it? 10 years ago definitely would.


RedRob, en 2014-09-16 17:30:36, ha dicho:
Hello Stephen, just run out of time with fiddling with the maps.

Six trees of 60 metres, the lot I bet are 60 metres if you could find windows in to measure them, the whole stand of probably nearing a hundred trees.

RedRob, en 2014-09-17 17:00:58, modificado en 2014-09-17 17:26:35, ha dicho:
Stephen, your visit on Saturday, I wouldn't be tempted would be my advice. Look, ascertain what you want but don't buy or else you will be robbed blind. Try sourcing the same instrument in Holland or the continent, you will get the same thing much cheaper, ridiculously cheaper. I got the Forestry Pro that I bought for half the price that they were being advertised over here. I couldn't have justified £500 odd quid for the laser but I am happy now with what I paid, I think that I have measured enough trees to justify it. Don't think that I could have ever have justified the price of one of the Impulse lasers, not for the number of trees that I have found and measured and am now likely to find in the future. I think you would have to be travelling the world measuring or a forestry professional or professional tree measurer to justify the Impulse. Judging by Karlheinz's and Kouta's recent measuring of the 59 metre Norway Spruce, the margin of error is not too bad for the Nikon Forestry Pro. We don't know if Kouta and Karlheinz chose precisely the same spot on the trunk to measure to so this is another error margin also Kouta may actually have had the correct spot and Karlheinz may have just been a tad high, we don't know but some of this probably accounts for the small difference.

Stephen Verge, en 2014-09-19 07:17:38, ha dicho:

Many thanks for your sensible advice. Just a query if you purchase something from abroad, UK dealers are often rather awkward when it comes to service and repair? What do you think?

Will look and not touch and find out prices, with me I can offset against tax which is helpful.

Perhaps now I can return to Scotland as it remains now in UK! To measure big conifers!



RedRob, en 2014-09-20 15:51:42, modificado en 2014-09-20 15:52:27, ha dicho:
Hello Stephen, the Nikon Forestry Pro that I purchased has/had a 1 year manufacturers warranty which expired a year ago last July. A year on it is still going strong and hoping that it will not break. If it does at any point, it will probably cost nearly as much to repair as buying a new one so I wouldn't be getting it repaired and wouldn't be buying a new one. I think it comes down anyway to how you use the laser, I am ultra careful with mine, I don't let it dangle about from my neck letting it swing around as I am walking about, I hold it in my right hand horizontal and cushion it against jolts as I walk. As I have said umpteen times on here before, I roll my finger over the buttons at the top rather than pressing on them, I found early that this cuts down on agreat amount of laser movement at the time you press but it also cuts down on wear and tear on the buttons as well. I think with simple care and use, you can look after the laser and make it last. I always carefully clean the case and lens when I have finished with it before I put it away and so the laser still looks like new even though it is over 2 years old.

RedRob, en 2014-09-20 16:08:12, ha dicho:
Are there many more tall trees, 50/60 metre conifers to measure in these Isles? Chic Henderson is busy up in Scotland measuring and re-measuring trees at places all over Scotland where tall trees have been reported over the years. He has recently been at a place called Adverike (think that is correct spelling just offhand) on Loch Laggan where some tall trees were reported a few years but have not heard the results yet, even Owen hasn't? From the silence he cannot have measured a new tallest tree in Britain can we presume? An area that I would like to find some tall trees is mid Wales and South Wales, been scouring Street View and the forests of South Wales, going up and down the network of roads and there appears to be some tall looking conifers, Douglas Firs I think, just south east of theA465 at Cwmgwrach just south west of Glynneath. The tallest tree currently recorded is a 50 metre Grand Fir at the Cefn park near Cardiff which Owen found and recorded.

Stephen, do you live in Oxford or further north? If you decide to get a laser, would you be near enough Belvoir Castle for a visit? I had hoped to visit but will not be getting right down there, at least this year? A 42 metre Quercus Robur was reported there, a 29 metre Yew and 32 metre Prunus Avium, the first two are probably exaggerated possibly not the latter but it would be good to see them and confirm?

Martin Tijdgat, en 2014-09-20 07:22:26, ha dicho:
Lovely, the nearby waterflow in this picture. Thanks for that, martin

Conifers, en 2014-09-18 16:28:55, ha dicho:
Chamaecyparis pisifera, recognisable by the cone shape and size, and shoot structure.
Martin Tijdgat, en 2014-09-20 07:14:00, ha dicho:

This is not Ch. lawsoniana. I think Conifers is spot on right with Ch. pisifera. A Lawson's cipres is not so open and transparent.

Greeting, Martin

Stephen Verge, en 2014-09-17 07:04:18, ha dicho:
Hello Owen

A very impressive stand of trees for that part of the country! It may be that the North Sea moderates the climate somewhat here? Although to a lesser degree than say the New Forest on the channel coast? Any Sitka there?

There is a Douglas just north of Henley, Oxon (close to me) which is almost as tall planted 1917 and still growing (on chalk!) Possibly tallest tree in Oxon if not Bucks and Berks.


RedRob, en 2014-09-17 16:48:31, ha dicho:
I agree with Stephen, abit of a surprise but an impressive one. The Grand Fir is very impressive. I do abit of plane spotting and have been to RAF Lakenheath several times and the soil there is like dust-sandy,dry. As said to someone, amazing that the conifers in Thetford Forest can survive in the soil. I imagine it will be very dry at the moment as it has been very dry in Eastern England for the last few weeks.

TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, en 2014-09-18 17:53:23, ha dicho:
Yes, I think the North Sea does help conifer growth in Norfolk - the most stressful conditions are often when there's a dry hot easterly wind and this will be cooler (and moister) when blowing off the North Sea.

There aren't any Sitkas at Weasenham Woods but at another of the Coke family's 19th century experiments in continuous-cover forestry, Fulmodeston Severals, there is a (youngish) plantation with trees to 37m. Again rather remarkable, as this tree really doesn't like it hot and dry.

TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, en 2014-09-18 17:55:04, ha dicho:

I remember you mentioning the Douglas Fir near Henley before. I think there are a few of your records that have not yet found their way onto the Tree Register, for one reason or the other - this is one. It certainly sounds like the tallest tree in the Home Counties area - perhaps you would be able to add it to this site?


Stephen Verge, en 2014-09-19 07:11:48, ha dicho:
Thanks Owen and Rob

Of interest to tree growth and climate from the Met Office averages 1981-2010, (On climate section on Met Office site can't post hyper link here) shows average rainfall of 700-800mm for North Norfolk, slightly less than The Chilterns where I am, 800-1000mm over higher parts, hence growth of conifers is slightly better than other Home County areas. Also shows why conifer growth/productivity is some of the best in the cool temperate world in Wales and the North West UK.

Owen I am reluctant to submit tangent measurements due to their possible inaccuracies, which may or may not be correct, but would be I hope within + or - 2m. Until I get a laser?


Do you know the giant Sessile Oak near the Mezel Depot in Windsor Great Park next to the park junction? Mentioned in Alans book as 125ft x 20ft (magnificent as any) Probably the oldest oak I have encountered, because adjacent Sessile about 390-400 years based on a solid ring count! Will do report on this for monumental trees soon. It says avenue was planted in 1751!



RedRob, en 2014-09-16 17:20:26, modificado en 2014-09-16 17:27:49, ha dicho:
When I press on 'Show on Map' the Google Map is close with individual trees visible. Press to change the location the map has panned out and I cannot get it to zoom in, I have to just stick a red bubble. Conifers, would you be able to put this directly in front of the 65 metre tree.

RedRob, en 2014-09-16 17:28:15, ha dicho:
Zooming in now, intermittant problem.

Conifers, en 2014-09-16 20:40:38, ha dicho:

RedRob, en 2014-09-18 16:39:27, ha dicho:
Thank you Conifers, able to move them to the exact spot once you have stuck them near.

Martin Tijdgat, en 2014-09-18 13:55:35, ha dicho:

Vraag het Tim deze fraaie Zilverlinde rechtop te zetten. Verander je zelf de status van nog niet gedetermineerde boom naar Tilia tomentosa?

derWaldfotograf, en 2014-09-18 13:31:37, ha dicho:
Stamm der Sommerlinde (Kirche im Hintergrund)

derWaldfotograf, en 2014-09-18 13:29:33, ha dicho:
Smmerlinde (von der Kirche)

Zomereik langs de Dalweg in Arnhem
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Wim Brinkerink, en 2014-09-17 16:20:05, ha dicho:
Het is mij niet duidelijk wie aan de beschrijving een verhaal over meten op verschillende hoogtes heeft opgeschreven. Mijn ervaringen stroken daarmee. Ik heb nadrukkelijk het centrum van de boom opgezocht, maar daar alleen meten is hachelijk. Het is de kunst om het meetlint strak te houden en steeds te letten op 1.30 meter. Mijn eerste meting kwam uit op 6,57 meter en mijn tweede en derde op 6,56 en 6,49. Ik probeerde met alle macht het lint strak te trekken op de middenpositie. Uiteindelijk lukte me dat (denk ik) en ik kwam op 6,38 meter. Ik had van tevoren wel wat gegevens verzameld en in mijn gegevens stond een hoogte van 6,10 meter. Ik kan die hoogte absoluut niet aan mijn praktijkervaring koppelen.

Jeroen Philippona, en 2014-09-17 20:54:54, modificado en 2014-09-17 20:55:47, ha dicho:
Hallo Wim,

Het stukje tekst over het meten is van mij. De laatste keer dat ik er aan het meten ben geweest was dit voorjaar samen met Corine van Dun, hoofdredacteur van Bomennieuws. Bomen op hellingen zijn lastig te meten, als je de methode hanteert van het centrum van de boom, waar de boom ooit ontkiemde of werd geplant, kom je bij heel dikke bomen op steile hellingen soms onder het hoogste punt rond de stam uit. Bij bomen op zo'n locatie is het aardig op verschillende hoogtes te meten. Wat je bedoelt met die hoogte van 6,10 m is me niet duidelijk.


Wim Brinkerink, en 2014-09-18 08:58:31, ha dicho:
Hallo Jeroen,

Lees voor 6,10 svp 6,18. 6,10 zat onterecht in mijn hoofd, dat moest 6,18 zijn. Ik had een overzichtje meegenomen met maten zoals ze op MT staan. Maar als ik jouw verhaal lees dan zou je toch een omtrek van 6,46 m moeten registreren? Of is de eerder door jou beschreven meetrichtlijn niet zo algemeen? Ik hou me er in ieder geval zo goed mogelijk aan, maar aarzel om 6,38 aan te geven. (wat volgens mij een juistere meting dan 6,18 zou zijn). (Overigens verklaart dat nog niet het verschil met jouw meting van 6,46 m.)


Conifers, en 2014-09-16 16:44:11, ha dicho:
Tilia tomentosa
Wouter, en 2014-09-16 16:59:57, ha dicho:
Yeah that's what I thought, did not know sure for 100%
Maarten Windemuller, en 2014-09-18 08:56:45, ha dicho:
Let op de "zilveren" onderkant van de bladeren onder in de kroon.

Martin Tijdgat, en 2014-09-18 01:27:40, ha dicho:

Welkom. Kan je de foto's rechtop zetten voor je ze upload?

Groet, Martin

Wouter, en 2014-09-18 07:28:00, ha dicho:
Bij mij staan de foto's rechtop voor de upload, ik weet niet wat er mis is gegaan.
Maarten Windemuller, en 2014-09-18 08:52:42, modificado en 2014-09-18 08:53:39, ha dicho:
Heeft volgens mij te maken met de software en toestel (smartphone?) waarmee je de foto maakt en later bewerkt of rechtop zet.

Als je op de foto klikt en wacht op het +je (inzoomt) komt hij wel rechtop te staan.

Probeer de foto eens rechtop te zetten in Photoshop, Aperture of dergelijke en dan te uploaden.

European beech at Trollskog in Torna Hällestad, Dalby, Sweden
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Conifers, en 2014-07-23 20:21:37, ha dicho:
A technical point: as these trees are seed-grown (self-sown), they are Fagus sylvatica f. tortuosa, and not the cultivar 'Suenteliensis', which to be true to name can only be propagated clonally by grafting.

Martin Tijdgat, en 2014-07-23 22:03:10, modificado en 2014-07-23 22:04:25, ha dicho:

Thanks for this. You are absolutely right; this is the naturaly occuring forma tortuosa. I had the same type of discussion with Fagus sylvatica 'Asplenifolia'.or 'Laciniata'. This leafform also occurs naturaly and has been grafted under a few different names.

Maarten Windemuller, en 2014-07-23 22:17:54, modificado en 2014-07-24 08:50:18, ha dicho:
Thanks, that's true, it's not a clone. I changed name. New problem: I cannot get a small "f" before tortuosa. The system automatically generates a capital F. Will ask Tim to change it. But what must we think about the oak, MT nr. 18706? :)

Tim, en 2014-09-17 19:58:00, ha dicho:

I changed the cultivar 'Tortuosa' in subsp. tortuosa, and registered this tree as such.

I also made it so that cultivars/varieties always get a capital letter (as was the case), but subspecies don't.

Kind regards,


Maarten Windemuller, en 2014-09-17 20:24:09, ha dicho:
Thanks Tim,


Conifers, en 2014-09-17 21:25:57, modificado en 2014-09-17 21:26:23, ha dicho:
Hi Tim,

Thanks! A bit of clarification though, re "I also made it so that cultivars/varieties always get a capital letter (as was the case), but subspecies don't".

The ranks of subspecies, variety and forma are botanical, and governed by the International Code of Botanical Nomenclature; they are always in italics and begin with a lower case letter, and must always show an indication of which rank is being used (the rank NOT in italics!):

Pinus nigra subsp. salzmannii

Pinus sylvestris var. hamata

Fagus sylvatica f. tortuosa

Cultivars, and cultivar groups, are governed by the International Code for Nomenclature of Cultivated Plants; they are not in italics, and begin with a capital; individual cultivars are in single quotes, groups of similar cultivars not in quotes:

Acer platanoides 'Crimson King'

Acer palmatum Dissectum Group

Hope this helps!

Rayn, en 2014-09-17 17:39:28, ha dicho:
Magnificent composition!
Wouter, en 2014-09-17 21:07:13, ha dicho:

Jeroen Philippona, en 2014-09-17 20:36:42, ha dicho:
Hoi Wim,

De Villa dateert uit 1742, maar hoe weet je dat de lindes ook uit 1742 dateren? Zijn het heel zekere winterlindes, ik zag ze tot nu toe aan voor Hollandse lindes maar heb er niet heel goed op gelet. Leo, Maarten en Simen Brunia waren tijdens de Donateursdag van de Bomenstichting vorige week ook present bij deze bomen, misschien hebben zij er ook op gelet.

Groeten, Jeroen

Rayn, en 2014-09-17 17:44:57, ha dicho:
Definitely no beauty, but still a fascinating tree!

RedRob, en 2014-09-17 17:23:17, ha dicho:
Apologies, the measurement should be 20 August 2013, forgot to change from 2014.

Ernie certainly loved these trees so much that he was buried amongst them with his dogs but these have been the single most disappointing trees that I have ever measured. Planted in 1860 and 37 metres in 1957 I was hoping that the measurement was abit out and that they had spurted in growth and there would be 60 metre trees in Yorkshire. Even with the growth rate of 37 metres in 1957 they could have been 56/57 metres. What a disappointment when I got there and measured with the laser.

RedRob, en 2014-09-15 17:23:12, ha dicho:
Hello Owen, this is/was the tree at the top of the stand where the path turns to the left, straight in front of you with Ivy on the trunk. I could only get 52 metres for this tree but I couldn't see the top at any point with a view of the base. Assessing from further down where I managed to see the tip, I think I will have missed about twenty feet off, every tree that I have measured in this stand is/was 60 metres so I will assign 60 metres for this one. It certainly was not 14 0r 15 metres taller then 52 metres.

TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, en 2014-09-16 19:35:10, ha dicho:
I think the tree in the lower photograph is one I got 60m for - on the left of the footpath after you've gone round the bend and continued climbing. The one I made 61m was about 50m below this, a few metres away from the bend in the path (o the SW side) and with a lot of ivy. Maybe it has been removed since.

RedRob, en 2014-09-17 16:49:41, ha dicho:
Hello Owen, both photographs are the same tree, I couldn't get it in one photograph so took two photos like this.

Wim Brinkerink, en 2014-09-17 16:12:35, ha dicho:
Ik heb de betreffende boom gemeten op 16-9-2014. Wat mij betreft is meten op 1.30 niet reëel of mogelijk. Op circa 1.10 meter loopt een tak uit, waardoor je volgens mij op 1.10 meter moet blijven. Ik heb op die plek 5,27 meter gemeten. Ik vind de sprong naar mijn voorgangers erg groot(die nb op 130 cm hebben gemeten!), maar...ik kan niet anders dan dit maar opvoeren.

Wim Brinkerink

RedRob, en 2014-09-16 17:21:24, modificado en 2014-09-16 17:22:25, ha dicho:
Conifers, this is just at the other side of the road further to the left than I put it, tree nearest road. Thanks.

Conifers, en 2014-09-16 20:43:40, ha dicho:
Done, can you check I've got it right, please!

Monumentale bomen in Duitsland
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Wouter, en 2014-09-16 15:23:55, ha dicho:
Weet iemand houd oud de linde op het hof van Slot Hämelschenburg is ?? Is een flinke boom.

Groeten Wouter

RedRob, en 2014-09-15 17:05:44, ha dicho:
Difficult measuring conditions on the slope in the upper part of the Waterloo Grove, difficult on many or most of the trees to see base and apex tip together. I did manage to measure three trees cleanly through gaps and this was the tallest. The others were also 60 metres. I didn't explore enough further up last year on my visit and thought that there may be a taller tree in the higher part of the stand but I think they will be all around this height in the higher and slightly more exposed part of the stand. The tree looks like just a trunk but the sun was shafting through the trees and I was photographing towards it.

RedRob, en 2014-09-04 16:23:53, ha dicho:
Need abit of help with this one, more photos available if required. The trunk pattern didn't seem smooth enough for Abies Grandis, the foliage not flat enough and the shape not quite right for conventional Grandis that I have seen? What is this tree?

Conifers, en 2014-09-04 16:49:00, ha dicho:
The bark looks OK to me for Abies grandis, it gets like this on mature trees. What foliage was it you looked at, if it was windblown upper crown foliage, then that's normal for the needles to be more assurgent.

RedRob, en 2014-09-04 17:14:59, ha dicho:
Hello Conifers, the tree had lower branches sweeping down and I photographed the foliage close up which I have posted if you look at all the photos. Not seen any really big, old Grand Firs as close up as this so not seen the ribbed bark like this before. The terminal foliage on the shoot ends around the buds also seemed abit more rounded than other Grand Firs that I have seen but maybe this is with age as well, I suppose it is what you have seen yourself which you compare to.

Conifers, en 2014-09-04 18:27:52, ha dicho:
Hi Rob,

Thanks! What the foliage does fit in that case is the interior subspecies Abies grandis subsp. idahoensis (from east of the Cascades crest); this has somewhat assurgent foliage throughout the crown, not just at the top of the tree. The only problem with this is that it is a smaller, slower-growing tree than coastal subsp. grandis, a 50 metre specimen would have to be ancient.

Abies grandis subsp. idahoensis grades into Abies concolor in the south of its area, including (in the southwest of its area) into Abies concolor subsp. lowiana, which is also a large, fairly vigorous tree (though not as vigorous as subsp. grandis). But it does perhaps offer a potential source location in the southern Cascades in Oregon.

It might be worth contacting the FC to see if they have planting records for the plot. A lot of the older plantings of Abies grandis in Britain are of the interior subspecies (being smaller, it was much cheaper to collect the seed!), before foresters discovered how much slower and poorer its growth was compared to coastal origins.

RedRob, en 2014-09-05 16:19:48, ha dicho:
Hello Conifers, I had never heard of Idahoensis, learn something new every day. From reading the description it does describe these trees, the foliage just didn't seem flat enough for conventional Grand Fir (quote 'stongly flattened' from one site) and it seemed to taper around the buds and recurve more than the usual Grandis (you can see it in the photos) which I have seen myself albeit I won't have seen as many examples as people like Kouta, yourself, Owen etc. Any comments from anyone else, Owen, Kouta, Jeroen, Karlheinz?

RedRob, en 2014-09-05 16:48:19, ha dicho:
Just uploaded a further foliage photo of this tree taken up tree. As said, still might be wrongs but it just didn't look fully right for Abies Grandis, the rounded tapering recurving needles around the terminal buds.

Stephen Verge, en 2014-09-06 07:48:01, ha dicho:
Hi Red Rob and Conifers and all

I'm back after my busy summer!

Foliage is typical for Grand Fir east of the Cascades. Most seed imports into this country up to the 1960's were of this interior form. I remember seeing this tree last Sept, so 52m, yet another!!

RedRob, en 2014-09-08 16:09:29, ha dicho:
Hello Stephen, welcome back, missed reading your posts. This does look like Idahoensis, this one wasn't even the tallest, that was 53 metres for the other one that I put on here the other day. Vyrnwy, cloud and mist was hanging over the lake and it may be fairly mild comparative here, would this mean that Idahoensis would possibly have more potential for growth here than east of the Cascades which I imagine is certainly colder in winter and drier?

Stephen Verge, en 2014-09-10 07:53:32, ha dicho:

Most of Grand Fir in the UK before the 1960's came from just east of the crest of the Cascades, little came from the actual Pacific Coast so most of the oldest and tallest are probably of inferior growth rate, but likely to grow faster in UK. I was not aware this has been regarded a sub species, is this recent?

I may go on holiday later this month to find some more giants, have you been on holiday there too?


RedRob, en 2014-09-10 16:05:18, ha dicho:
Hello Stephen, are you going on holiday to the Pacific Northwest or to look for trees in this country? I was in North Wales and Powys last week but there are areas in central Wales that could have some tall trees if you want some ideas? The Elan Valley area, Alan Mitchell recorded 50 metre Douglas Firs there way back in 1979 I think it was. I have located some myself which I had hoped to visit but never made it down as far.

Stephen Verge, en 2014-09-10 20:38:46, ha dicho:

Hope to go back to North Wales if the weather holds out later this month. Find some big trees and maybe pan for some gold if there is time!

Perhaps try to look at the Elan Valley on the way but its quite far from North Wales.

How is the tall Douglas in the Conwy Valley doing? I left too late one evening and only saw them in darkness with the headlights on!



RedRob, en 2014-09-11 16:30:25, modificado en 2014-09-11 16:31:54, ha dicho:
Hello Stephen, will be reporting on the Betws trees from this year's visit when I get around to it over the next few days.

Before I visited North Wales this year I spent a considerable time scouring the valleys of North Wales on Google Maps looking for dark shadows and long shadows from the satellite and then looking on Street View. Really don't think that there are any more really tall stands in the Snowdonia area, Coed Y Brenin, Conwy Valley, Vyrnwy, Aber Hirnant seem to be the places. I drove all over last week scanning various valleys in the Berwyns and up around Betws and didn't come across anything taller or anywhere near. I have been to the forests around Corris on a previous visit and the trees there are not exceptional. An area where there could be tall and unknown trees is central Wales, Elan Valley and further down, Twyi Forest and the forests near Llandridod Wells. Owen sent me the records but I cannot find them in my emails so I have just asked him again, Alan Mitchell recorded big Douglas Firs back in 1979 and if they have kept growing at a reasonable rate they could be pretty big now.

RedRob, en 2014-09-12 16:48:28, ha dicho:
The estate at Llanwrthwl was called Glanrhos SN973641 Owen has informed me again. put Glanrhos estate into search. I have been up and down the lane and there is a group of tall conifers which look like Douglas Firs but they don't look super tall and are in an open, exposed position. Not sure if these will be the trees which Alan Mitchell recorded or not? This group in the Elan Valley is a group that I came across whilst searching, on Google Maps they do look pretty tall but there looks to be abit of distortion in the camera which may be fore-shortening them in height when viewed from the bridge. They are in the bottom of the valley so should be pretty sheltered. Stephen, if you do make it anywhere down this way in passing this group would be worth stopping at. I haver just been riding up and down roads in Tywi Forest and the A44 between Llanwrtyd and Abergwesyn and over towards Aberystwyth and had longer range views and the conifers look ordinary.

Stephen Verge, en 2014-09-13 09:24:31, ha dicho:
Hi Rob

Elan valley looks interesting, it may be a bit far out to travel to North Wales, but I could do a detour.

Dyfi valley was an interesting place for big plantation grown conifers. Sadly as usual The FC felled the best stand of Hemlock about 10 years ago. With good soils and shelter the forest is very productive here.

It will be interesting to see how Dothistroma needle blight is progressing there in North Wales it was partly defoliating conifers and causing them to lose vigour.

Hope to make it back there if the weather remains good.


RedRob, en 2014-09-13 16:49:48, ha dicho:
Hello Stephen, I really don't like to hear the talk about needle drop, especially connected with some more trees that I have yet to post on.

I have been up the Dyfi Valley on Google Maps and there is large scale felling viewable. If you put 'Pantperthog' into Google Maps and travel about a quarter of a mile north on the A487, there is a line of tall trees that I think may be Douglas Fir. Look big but not massive but abit hard to truly judge on Google Maps as I have seen distortion on some views. These are the tallest that I can find in this area, beautiful countryside though, wonderful smooth roads (as they all appear to be down there compared to the potholed lot we have up in Yorkshire) sweeping through deep, wooded valleys. Visited King Arthur's labyrinth at Corris in 2006 and it was great countryside.

If you want a nice little B&B Stephen, I can recommend one near the north end of Lake Bala, a little gem with great food and incredibly reasonable. It provided a great, central base for my visit.

Stephen Verge, en 2014-09-14 10:44:59, ha dicho:
Thanks Rob

Look forward to more posts on Welsh trees.


Conifers, en 2014-09-14 22:38:42, ha dicho:
Remember to change the species to Abies grandis ;-)

RedRob, en 2014-09-14 16:51:09, ha dicho:
In a spot of bovver and need abit of help. Whilst looking up at the 60 metre Douglas Fir at Vyrnwy (next to ex 64 metre champ) I fired the laser off across the ravine to the group od spruces on the other side and this was the tallest. Came to a decision but just want to double check? Can it be identified from the blowing the photo up to see foliage and bark pattern?

Conifers, en 2014-09-14 22:38:00, ha dicho:
Picea sitchensis

Han van Meegeren, en 2014-09-14 21:08:37, ha dicho:

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RedRob, en 2014-09-14 16:58:21, ha dicho:
I know that I have asked before but any chance of some photos being added to these records? There are some impressive trees listed here, I and I suspect others would love to see them?

RedRob, en 2014-09-14 16:24:07, ha dicho:
Hello Stephen, the Welsh weather changed in a very short time and it was tippling down by the time that I took this photo but I think the Douglas Firs that you were referring to have been caught in this photo in the background. I stood up the hill on the road and looked back over to assess and the trees down near the road definitely physically looked the tallest when viewed from the horizontal up the road. The land rises up the valley and the trees near the road looked level with the higher trees, I suspect that they will be 51/52 metres, the tallest tree that I measured on the road definitely the tallest of it's line, dfinitely 54 metres but could be 55 metres.

RedRob, en 2014-09-14 16:54:43, ha dicho:
Sorry Stephen, just re-read your post and it was you further up the hill and not the trees. You must have been in the same spot as I was if you were on the road.

Conifers, en 2014-09-14 16:13:43, ha dicho:
Not Ulmus glabra - leaves too small and glossy; looks more like U. minor or perhaps U. × hollandica.
Rainer Lippert, en 2014-09-14 16:17:01, ha dicho:
Hallo Conifers,

also mal wieder ein falsches Schild am Stamm. Hatten wir ja schon des öfteren. Ich ändere es mal in U. minor ab.

Danke und viele Grüße,


RedRob, en 2014-09-13 16:55:19, ha dicho:
Beautiful tree, how come some of the Norways remain narrow in shape and clothed with branches way down and yet others are very open and lose their lower branches? There are both types up in Yorkshire, they look quite different at times? Do they vary according to what area they originated from?

KoutaR, en 2014-09-13 18:33:32, ha dicho:
I believe that the main reason, why this tree has foliage almost along the whole lenght, is that its one side gets plenty of light (the tree is standing at a creek). But branching patterns of Norway spruce also vary genetically, also within a single stand.

Stephen Verge, en 2014-09-14 10:43:15, ha dicho:
Yes nice tree

Just wondering how the age was calculated. Norway spruces are lucky to live 200 years in U.K.. It may be that fungal pathogens may be less aggressive in continental climates with colder winters?


KoutaR, en 2014-09-14 11:24:35, ha dicho:
The www-site of the park says "Ihr Alter schätzt man auf etwa 380 Jahre" = "Its age is estimated as ca. 380 years".

I am not sure but I think I saw boring traces in the trunk. It is definitely much older than 200 y. Spruce cannot attain almost 5 m girth in 200 years in Germany. The UK's climate is apparently not the best for Norways spruce. Possibly too ocean. Fungal pathogens may be one factor, indeed. "Conifers" knows more about this, I once has a short e-mail discussion with him.


RedRob, en 2014-09-11 17:07:05, ha dicho:
Hello Stephen, the tallest tree that I found in Aber Hirnant is the one on the left in the distant photo, 54.2 metres although the base was difficult to see and I had to estimate the location so it could be near 55 metres. Is this the tree that you found, near the group of houses with the Sequoiadendron in the garden?

Stephen Verge, en 2014-09-14 10:51:41, ha dicho:

Glad you found them. Could be my tree but was further up the hill when I recorded 55m. Probably some of the oldest Douglas in Wales, some close to 1.8m in diameter. I reckon planting was around 1860-1870? tried to count the whorls but too difficult. Some of these trees could have in excess of 40m3 each!


What is your favorite tree
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kathryn, en 2014-09-12 23:14:25, ha dicho:
i like weeping willows

RedRob, en 2014-09-13 16:43:01, ha dicho:
Hello Kathryn, generally Coast Redwoods are my favourite tree, love their size, majesty and indeterminable will to live when damaged or felled, branches becoming new trunks if one falls and is laid on it's side. Individually, my favourite tree on this site is this one pícea de Sitka (Picea sitchensis) '9351'

such a maligned tree but what a magnificent speciman and what magnificent trees Sitkas can make.

kathryn, en 2014-09-12 21:06:07, ha dicho:
that is cool

americano1951, en 2014-09-12 19:53:11, ha dicho:
Cuando voy a Aranjuez visito este árbol y otros mucho que hay en Aranjuez, son muchos muy grandes.

JesusGiraldo, en 2014-09-12 19:42:47, ha dicho:
Pino Pazo do Cabido

RedRob, en 2014-09-12 17:03:56, ha dicho:
Jeroen said that this Larch was just up form the path (is that correct Jeroen, did I remember correctly) I think likely that this is the same tree, measured 43.6 metres but to a point on the trunk above the Bracken, estimate about 0.5 of a metre to the point, this tree is 44 metres or just a fraction over. Didn't look incredibly healthy, quite sparse.

RedRob, en 2014-09-12 16:55:21, ha dicho:
45.8 metres was the reading that I got for this tree from close to the position in the photo and further around to the left from the road. Vegetation around the base so aimed just abit up from it but this tree has not put much growth on since 2010.

RedRob, en 2014-09-12 16:25:57, ha dicho:
Great to see the Redwoods in Big Basin and Henry Cowell being featured, a great many photos exist for the trees in Humboldt and the north (MD Vaden's site) but few for down here. It would be interesting to see some Redwoods from the southern most groves in Big Sur, what is the tallest recorded down there?

RedRob, en 2014-09-12 16:51:01, ha dicho:

These are the tallest Redwoods recorded in Big Basin.

RedRob, en 2014-09-10 17:06:17, ha dicho:
Owen, if you are anywhere about, (a plaque near this tree says it is 39 metres and the tallest in Britain) I moved across the shoots at the top and the highest reading that I could get was 37.6 metres for this one with this laser.

TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, en 2014-09-11 17:50:26, ha dicho:
Thanks. I'll update the record.

RedRob, en 2014-09-12 16:27:32, ha dicho:
Very close Owen to your measurement although must not have grown in 10 years. Couldn't get a reading higher than this from several angles.

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TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, en 2014-09-10 17:26:55, ha dicho:
Probably P. balsamifera or one of its 20th century forestry hybrids. Possibly 'TT37'?
RedRob, en 2014-09-11 16:21:50, ha dicho:
Hello Owen, didn't strike me as any form of Canadensis and have seen quite a few types now, leaves really prematurely browning and trunk not fissured but seemed smoother with brown patches on it.
TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, en 2014-09-11 17:52:48, ha dicho:
The smooth bark is right for some balsamifera clones ('TT32' is very smooth but has a different habit, I think 'TT37' is similar in bark). The premature autumn colour is due to a fungal infection which the balsam poplars and the wild Black Poplar get, but not the Black Poplar's common hybrids.

monumentalinsc, en 2014-09-11 17:28:07, ha dicho:
2nd tree in the property

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RedRob, en 2014-09-11 17:02:15, ha dicho:
Hello Tim, I am having consistant problems on the site registering trees and moving about in general, the following message keeps coming up at the bottom of the page: is not responding Recover Webpage

Is this problem at your end or mine? I downloaded Windows Internet Explorer 9 a couple of weeks ago after unistalling it a year or so ago and going back to IE 8 after having locking problems which I never experienced on IE 8. Is the problem above likely to be mine with IE 9 or with the site?

RedRob, en 2014-09-11 17:04:49, ha dicho:
Sorry, not making a point but had abit of trouble with the posting, Site Problem disappeared in the box and I typed it again and then it has somehow appeared twice.

desainme, en 2014-09-11 04:08:28, ha dicho:
This was right side up
Frank Gyssling, en 2014-09-11 12:24:43, ha dicho:
you can rotate the photos also correctly


desainme, en 2014-09-11 04:37:16, ha dicho:
Stout English oak

Rainer Lippert, en 2014-09-10 18:06:35, ha dicho:

in der Literatur wird diese Eiche als "Bouquet-Eiche" bezeichnet. Dies begründet sich durch das Bouquetförmige abgehen der unteren Äste.

Viele Grüße,


Rainer Lippert, en 2014-09-10 18:05:30, ha dicho:

in der Literatur wird diese Eiche als "Dicke Eiche" bezeichnet. Die "Bouquet-Eiche" wird dort die zweitdickste, mit knapp 9 m Umfang angeben. Bei der zweitstärksten Eiche gehen zudem die Äste Bouquetförmig ab.

Viele Grüße,


RedRob, en 2014-09-10 16:31:56, ha dicho:
Abit more help needed with an ident? Couldn't get any closer than this but clearly a Poplar but leaves turning very early? The bark pattern is visible if you zoom in? Thought that they may be Aspen but not seen enough Aspen to be positive?

Conifers, en 2014-09-10 16:58:27, ha dicho:
Not Aspen. Probably Populus × canadensis or one of the hybrids of this with Populus trichocarpa.


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