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Rayn, at 2014-04-10 10:53:22, said:
My guess is that some kind of poplar, but I can't say for sure.

Maarten Windemuller, at 2014-04-10 20:31:12, said:
Hei Rayn,

Could it be Grey Alder (Alnus incana)? Maybe you can make some pictures from details like twigs with buds.

Best regards,


Rayn, at 2014-04-10 22:07:46, said:
I'll return later in spring and try to get some closeups, one problem is that the first twigs is at least 10 meters or so up but maybe I can find some cracked twig or fallen leaf by then, thank you for your answer.

Rayn, at 2014-04-10 10:55:48, said:
My guess is an European larch, or could it be some other kind?

Maarten Windemuller, at 2014-04-10 21:16:26, edited at 2014-04-10 21:24:25, said:
Larix sibirica is common on the same geographic level in Finland and adjacent part of Russia. On the other side on there are some L. d. registered (in 2006) form which one on about the same place as 'your' L.d is pointed on the map. So keep it for L.d.

Rayn, at 2014-04-10 21:57:44, said:
Thank you, there was two larches of similar girth size on the property and that other registration you found would be one of them. Thank you for your help.

Rayn, at 2014-04-10 22:02:19, said:
I must have measured the smallest one, or too high up because the older one is 3.20 if I'm reading that site correctly, compared to my measurement 3.10 and I guess it have not shrunk in the recent years.

Leo Goudzwaard, at 2014-04-06 10:43:20, said:
This tree is not 9014 years old, but dead wood remains from roots and cones in the soil appeared to be 9550 years old according to radio carbon dating. The age of the tree itself is not known, there has been no tree ring data research as far as I know. The press release was not correct, only dead wood remains are 9550 years old.

Could you please put the right information at MT? For the list of oldest trees in the world, see:

cheers, Leo

Rayn, at 2014-04-06 15:27:33, edited at 2014-04-06 15:31:15, said:
This is an interesting discussion. An old oak where the centre is rotten and only the younger outer parts of the tree remains, is it as old as the living wood or should the dead parts count?

I don't know the answer and is not in any position to say what belongs on this site or not, I'm merely posting a tree that some sources claim to be 9550 years old. Not that very trunk that is visible, as I wrote it appeared in krummholz formation for thousand of years and have taken a more treelike appearance lately.

The reason it says 9014 years is that when you come to this ages the site wont let you be more specific than 8000, 9000 or 10000 BC.

Rayn, at 2014-04-06 23:31:43, edited at 2014-04-06 23:37:16, said:
I reread my answer and thought to myself that I do not wish to start arguments as I am clearly the newbie here. Do not know whether this discussion disappears when I remove the registered tree but I'll do that anyway.

Conifers, at 2014-04-07 08:57:41, said:
While I agree that the evidence for its age is not good (in the absence of DNA matching, how can they prove the 9550 year radiocarbon-dated wood is from the same individual as the living tree?), it is still scientifically and dendrologically a far more interesting and significant tree than many others on this site. It is also a tree that (from the publicity about it) people might expect to find included here. So, please bring Old Tjikko back!

Maarten Windemuller, at 2014-04-08 07:21:26, said:
Agreer with Conifers: please bring Old Tjikko back on MT.

Rayn, at 2014-04-08 09:15:55, said:
Ok, I added it again. No picture this time as I got no photo myself and just read the disclaimer...

My wife and I have talked about getting back to Fulufjället again some day as we have a cabin in the family nearby and then I promise to take photos. Last time we where there we just took some photos of the waterfall as my interest in trees is a quite recent thing.

Conifers, at 2014-04-08 18:10:16, said:
Thanks! I can add a photo from Wiki Commons, as they are creative-commons licensed for use by people other than the photographer.

Conifers, at 2014-04-08 18:32:32, said:
Photo added - Tim, could you change the Photographer attribution from 'Conifers', to Karl Brodowsky, please (I can't work out how to do it!)

Rayn, at 2014-04-03 06:48:36, said:
Alternative name is also Rumskullaeken.

Age is estimated to be between 750 and 950 years by Bertil Lindquist, professor in botanics and silviculture. This was in the 1930's or 1940's though, so now it would be between 800 and 1000 years if his estaminations where correct.

Some info on Bertil Lindquist (in swedish but google translate maybe does the trick)

Some more info about the tree unfortunately only in swedish from Länsstyrelsen i Kalmars län, the County Board of Kalmar, the region which it grows.

Maarten Windemuller, at 2014-04-04 14:13:49, edited at 2014-04-04 14:15:13, said:
Hei Rayn

Welcome at MT.

Thank you for the links and extra information. I hope to visit the tree this year again.

You know last year some SAF members did good work at the oak and replaced the iron belt. Foto's of the job I found at facebook, in SAF group.

Kind regards,


Rayn, at 2014-04-04 15:58:44, said:
Thank you, I was not aware of that, will check that out!

Best regards


Rayn, at 2014-04-04 23:02:19, said:
Yes here is the new look without that steel band:

Angel oak saved
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Maarten Windemuller, at 2014-03-21 09:58:41, edited at 2014-03-22 21:11:11, said:
Southern live oak '14619' in the park of the Angel Oak, Johns Island: Angel Oak

The tree should be felled for 'development" of the area.
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Maarten Windemuller, at 2014-03-15 08:16:42, edited at 2014-03-15 09:02:48, said:
Eindelijk in de lucht:

Via deze site is het mogelijk hoge boomobjecten te vinden in NL. Hoe donkerder hoe hoger. Ik heb begrepen dat de site nog niet klaar is en legenda en meet tooltjes nog komen. Wordt ongetwijfeld vervolgd.

Noorwegen: voor het vinden van boomobjecten in Noorwegen kan een goed hulpmiddel zijn.

Van een andere orde weliswaar omdat deze geen hoogtes aangeeft maar een landelijke soorten inventarisatie is.

De site heeft een Engelstalige versie. Met wat topografische kennis en slim omgaan met de zoekfuncties en een tweede scherm met GoogleEarth of equivalent en andere boom of groen gerelateerde sites kan je nog heel wat vinden.

Workshop Bomen fotograferen
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Maarten Windemuller, at 2014-02-16 15:44:06, edited at 2014-02-16 18:00:41, said:
Soms best lastig om een boom of details goed op de foto te krijgen. Valt voor mij soms nog wel wat te leren. Tip?:

Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-02-17 10:56:09, said:
Mooie tip Maarten. Ik ga er eens over denken.


Wim Brinkerink

Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-02-17 17:31:04, said:

Ben ook aan het bezien of ik kan. Nooit te oud om wat te leren en mooie plaatjes te leren schieten.

Groet, Martin

Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-02-17 18:52:07, edited at 2014-02-17 19:09:35, said:
Lijkt me leuk als we elkaar hier treffen. Ik denk da Maarten wel wil, jij, ik en wellicht Nardo. Dat zijn er al 4.

Ik zou het zeer op prijs stellen, hoewel ik het wel duur vindt. Maar als jullie er zijn ga ik zeker ook. En ik kan iedereen ontvangen bij mij thuis. Vooraf of achteraf. Ik woon 10 km vanaf de Hortus Leiden. Kan ook voor jullie koken als je het leuk vindt.



Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-02-22 11:11:12, said:

Goed voorstel! Heb me net voor de cursus opgegeven.

Groet, Martin

Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-02-22 17:13:39, said:
Ik heb me als voorlopig aangemeld. Wat is het goede in mijn voorstel?. Maarten stelde voor hier heen te gaan, dus hij verdient de credits. Leuk is dat ik jullie ontvang met koffie, biertje na afloop of eten, maakt niet uit. Als het er maar niet meer dan 6 worden.

Ik heb de organisator als onze site toegestuurd.



Conifers, at 2014-01-27 17:05:17, said:
Probably an Acer saccharinum
Bess, at 2014-01-27 17:08:20, said:
Sounds very acceptable!

it guess it's the 'acer pseudoplatanus' they are talking about, cause there are no other big acers around. i brought a twig… try to post a picture of it later.

Maarten Windemuller, at 2014-01-27 23:58:39, said:
Agreer with Conifers, A. saccharinum, look at the fine twigs at the lower part of the stem hanging and smooth bark of young branches.

panda59, at 2014-01-14 07:29:23, said:
There are numerous Aleppo Pines in the city of Pasadena, California that are significantly taller than the listed records in this website. For example, there are several in Brookside Park near Kidspace Museum that are over 30 meters tall. The world record listed here is a bit over 23 meters if I'm reading it correctly. Someone else should verify this.......but these trees are clearly over 100 feet tall.

Maarten Windemuller, at 2014-01-14 10:48:13, said:
Welcome panda55,

Good to know they are there. Registering on this site you are welcome to register monumental trees yourself.

We are looking forward to see the Aleppo pines in California you mentioned.

Kind regards, Maarten

aubreyfennell, at 2014-01-14 13:09:40, said:
Dear Panda55,

May I suggest that you drop down to Caltech and contact Sheldon Cooper.Offer him a copy of DENDROMAN!

and I am sure he could supervise the measuring of those aleppo pines by Howard,Leonard and Raj with

borrowed laser equipment from the lab.


Maarten Windemuller, at 2014-01-13 17:02:45, edited at 2014-01-13 22:43:53, said:
Duke of Wellington Cedar.

Found on Facebook of Sveriges Arborist Forbund (SAF):

Looks like it is the same tree as MT nr 13779. Is it this tree that is mentioned in this youtube video? Hope I am wrong.

For more pictures of the Duke of Wellington Cedar see:, discussions: .


Jeroen Philippona, at 2014-01-13 22:04:26, edited at 2014-01-13 22:43:59, said:
Indeed this is the Duke of Wellington Cedar wich was felled in December 2013. This really is a pity and it is a shame the National Trust is responsible for such a policy.




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