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aljos1, at 2014-04-23 14:23:48, said:
This oak has apparently been removed from the list of >9.00 m girth oaks on the website, although it still shows up on the map as tree No. 1681 in that size class (red symbol). This is presumably because it is considered multi-stemmed i.e. more than one tree. I have not visited this oak but doubt the validity of this judgement. In England several large oaks have this appearance, it resulted from splitting and subsequent reparation growth (as seen on the left). Is the stem on the right an integer stem grown without former connection to the rest or does it show evidence of connection similar as the stem on the left? What about the section facing the viewer?

This oak needs careful investigation before it is dismissed. I wonder if this has been done and if someone could inform me about it. If it is a single oak tree it is the only one in NL >9.00 m but if more than one tree, it has to come off my list of such oaks in Europe.

Aljos Farjon

Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew

Conifers, at 2014-04-23 15:37:59, said:
@ Aljos: multi-stemmed does not mean the same as "more than one tree" - it just means that one or more low branches have developed upright, trunk-like characteristics, making the girth measurement much larger than a single unbranched trunk for the same size of tree.

My own guess is that this could be derived from an old coppice stool.

Jeroen Philippona, at 2014-04-23 21:37:43, edited at 2014-04-23 22:38:52, said:
Hi Aljos,

Nice you came aboard at this website, I hope you will take part of the forum from time to time.

I agree with the opinion of Conifers.

The oak of Ruurlo has not been removed from the list, but just is not in the single trunk lists, only in the multitrunk lists wich you can click to from under all single trunk lists.

When you take the list of biggest oaks: you can see under the list: show also multistemmed trees; after clicking this link you get a list including the multitrunk trees. At the third page then you will find the oak from Ruurlo.

(or you can take the list trees of the Netherlands: see ttp:// and show or hide the multitrunk trees).

We don't consider this oak as more than one tree in the sense of several different trees planted or growing together from one point. No, we consider it indeed like Çonifers guesses as a coppice stool: it has a common base of only one or two decimeter height from wich originally around eight stems arose. Some of those have died, four large are alive and a small dead one can be seen.

From old photos can be seen that the oak in the early twentieth century was multi trunked. The stems did not result from splitting and subsequent reparation growth. I have seen several of those oaks in England. The photo here above is not very clear, but even the stem at left is not of the type you describe. I have placed some more photos of this oak at MT (as we call Monumental Trees), including some old ones from the beginning of the twentieth century (two of wich also can be seen at my old website: ).

So the oak is not dismissed as one tree but yes, dismissed as a tree wich has reached its great girth from one stem with one pith of growth. There has always been a lot of air between the trunks wich now together at the smallest point have a circumference of 10,25 metre, but the biggest of the single trunks at 1.3 m height only has a circumference of 4.6 metre.

About big oaks in Europe: you perhaps already have seen that there have been placed many photos / measurements of big oaks of Latvia. Only few have a girth of above 9 m, many are between 6 and 9 m. As can be seen they are mostly maiden trees, rarely they are pollarded oaks like many of the biggest in the UK. This is the same for Poland and Germany. The extreme high number of 9 m + oaks in the UK in part has something to do with the great number of pollarded oaks in the UK.

It should be interesting to count the numbers of maiden as well as pollarded oaks with a girth of over 9 m in the UK as well as all European countries. Better even of all oaks over 6 m in girth.

The maiden oaks wich have lost their haid from storm damage are of course a separate type, but sometimes it will be difficult to see if the tree has been a pollard for most of its life or it was a maiden tree wich lost its crown from relatively recent damage.

Jeroen Philippona

Maarten Windemuller, at 2014-04-24 20:17:59, said:
Hei Jeroen,

Nice pictures you added. Is to find out from which year the old foto's are?

Jeroen Philippona, at 2014-04-24 22:49:24, said:
Ha Maarten,

The old photos are from around 1920 - 1930, I will look for it.


Frank Gyssling, at 2014-04-24 16:55:39, said:
Hallo Karlheiz,

bei aller Liebe zur Fotografie. Nimm es mir bitte nicht übel, aber dieses Foto würde ich an deiner Stelle wirklich nicht veröffentlichen. Was willst du damit beim Zuschauer bewirken?

viele Grüße Frank

Karlheinz, at 2014-04-24 21:28:50, said:
Hallo Frank,

Dieser Baum ist ein Rekordbaum, der bisher höchste von 284 Europäischen Eiben, und das Foto vom Wipfel dokumentiert die höchste von mir gemessene Spitze.

Könnte es sein, dass dein Hauptmotiv für die Mitarbeit bei MT die Liebe zur Fotografie ist? Und dass für dich die genaue Höhe eines Baumes nicht so wichtig ist?

Bei mir steht ein anderes Motiv im Vordergrund, nämlich die Freude am Entdecken von Rekordbäumen und deren Dokumentation mit Messwerten und Fotos. Dabei dienen die Fotos in erster Linie als Beweis für die Existenz des Baumes und zum Auffinden des Baumes vor Ort. Ganz besonders freue ich mich, wenn ich den höchsten Baum einer Art melden kann. Und bei einem Rekordbaum zeige ich im Foto die höchste von mir gemessene Spitze des Baumes. Das hat Bedeutung für Leute, die auch Baumhöhen mit Laser-Sinus-Methode messen und die meine Messung überprüfen wollen. Jeder ist eingeladen, den Baum zu besuchen, die Werte nachzumessen und schönere Fotos hochzuladen.

viele Grüße, Karlheinz

Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-04-24 04:22:06, said:

What a beautiful elm tree! Hope someone will cut off the Ivy, so it can't harm this tree in the future.


Frank Gyssling, at 2014-04-24 16:23:34, said:
Hi Martin,

thank you for your compliment. The lvy is harmless for the elm (view wekipedia). On the contrary,it protect the bark against sunburn.

Regards, Frank

Conifers, at 2014-04-24 17:29:52, said:
Agree with Frank, ivy does not harm trees much if at all; it is also very important for wildlife.

Sisley, at 2014-04-23 15:58:40, said:
I don't understand how the difference of height between the '11175' and the '11177'since 2013 can be possible. It's discart, almost 4 m ?..
Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-04-23 16:05:35, edited at 2014-04-23 16:07:42, said:
one of us has made a mistake.

Christopher, at 2014-04-22 14:31:39, said:

Conifers, at 2014-04-23 15:31:57, said:
Not sure what it is, but the bark is wrong for Ailanthus. That is also an unlikely candidate in tropical east Africa.

mrgreen, at 2014-04-22 11:08:55, said:
There must be a mistake with the height :)
Conifers, at 2014-04-22 15:41:59, said:
Yes, definitely!! Looking at it on google street view, looks to be in the range 16-18 metres tall.
Jeroen Philippona, at 2014-04-22 22:03:20, said:
To me on google street view it looks more like 25 metres or a bit higher.
Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-04-22 23:01:02, said:
Lionel, jeroen, Conifers and mrgreen,

The tree has a diametre off 28 to 30 meters, if compared to the row off cars on the carpark. I agree with Jeroen that this tree must be around 25 meters tall or about 80 feet as viewed with steetview.

Greetings, Martin

Conifers, at 2014-04-23 15:29:25, said:
Not as much as that - look at the building at the left (as google-viewed from N Ross St); blue side doors 2m high; so 3m to tops of orange columns, and 7m total height. Tree is just over 2.5 times higher than the building, i.e., about 18 metres. The crown is 1.6 times as wide as high, i.e., from 18m tall, about 29m diameter, which accords well with Martin's diameter estimate compared to the cars.

Frank Gyssling, at 2014-04-22 12:53:01, said:
Wer hat und warum dieses Foto mit 3,5 bewertet?
Frank Gyssling, at 2014-04-23 11:41:18, said:
Vielen Dank für die Wertungen! Schade dass sich der Erst-Bewerter nicht zu Wort meldet ;-).

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Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-04-23 08:48:27, edited at 2014-04-23 08:49:02, said:
Toen ik deze boom aantrof werd ik benaderd door de eigenaar van het domein, die me vertelde dat volgens haar tuinman deze boom ten dode is opgeschreven. Hij had last van "la mouche rouge". Als ik het woordenboek pak zie ik bij mouche vlieg staan. Bedoelt ze wellicht rode mieren? In ieder geval zaten er vrij veel gaten in de schors. Wellicht iemand die weet hoe de dame (eigenaar) geholpen kan worden. Het is geen spectaculaire, maar wel markante boom.

giant sequoia (Sequoiadendron giganteum) '17403'

Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-04-23 09:23:59, edited at 2014-04-23 09:24:53, said:
Bonjour madame le propriétaire, si Vouz pouvez lire ce message. Ici il y a quelque réponses.

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Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-04-22 20:52:25, said:
Ik ben van mijn tripje naar vrienden in Straatsburg teruggekomen en ben langs de linde van Conjoux gereden. Wat een lastige boom om te meten. Ik had het geluk dat voorgangers al getallen hadden toegevoegd. Jeroen Philiponna gooide als laatste toet in het eten door een meting op 1 meter aan te geven, terwijl voorgaanden hadden gemikt op 1.50 m. I kwas dus voorbereid.

Desalniettemin Multi interpretabele uitkomsten. Mijn metingen laat ik in een volgende post zien.

Jeroen Philippona, at 2014-04-22 21:53:52, said:
Dag Wim,

In dit geval gooide ik graag roet in het eten. Ik werd overigens vergezeld door een heel team van boomspecialisten als Koen Smets, Ton Stokwielder, Huib Sneep, Just Bleekemolen en Wim Kruik (Koen is medewerker van de Vlaamse overheidsorganisatie die toeziet op het beheer van groen cultureel erfgoed ofwel monumentale bomen, de anderen zijn Nederlandse boomverzorgers). Het is m.i. niet lastig de omtrek van deze linde te meten, de boom heeft tussen de wortelaanzet en de verbreding door de takaanzet een smalste punt (taille) op ± 1 m hoogte.

Indien je de omtrek simpel definieert als die op 1,3 of 1,5 m hoogte, zullen veel mensen die daar meten, maar vrijwel alle bomenmeters, boomregisters en dendrologen die hier precieze afspraken over maken geven de voorkeur aan een taillemeting tussen de bodem en 1,3 of 1,5 m hoogte. Je meet dan alleen op 1,3 of 1,5 m hoogte als dat de smalste omtrek tot die hoogte is. Een enkele figuur meet hogere tailles (bijv. de Duitser Bernd Ullrich van boeken als 'Deutschlands alte Bäume'), maar dat zou bij standaard bosbomen betekenen dat je op vele meters hoogte moet meten.

De meetadviezen die ik op MT heb gezet zijn grotendeels vergelijkbaar met die van de Eastern Native Tree Society (ENTS) uit de VS, al heb ik ook gekeken naar de methodes van de Belgische Dendrologische Vereniging en het Tree Register of the British Isles.

Groeten, Jeroen

Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-04-23 09:10:19, said:
Hallo Jeroen,

Ik had moeten zeggen: moeilijk om te bepalen wat 1 meter en wat 1.50 meter is. Er is enig niveauverschil, dus als ik de eerder door jou gemelde regels toepas, kun je niet op 1,50 meter meten. Dan kom je immers op een zware uitlopende tak, die de dikte vertekent. Mijn metingen waren de volgende":

Van de weg af gezien ( de N919 de Grande-Trussogne) heb ik aan de achterkant gemeten. Daar begint op 1, 50 meter vanaf de rechterkant de zware uitloper. Links is de hoogte dan 1.00 meter een verschil dus van 50 cm. Op die plek heb ik 8,81 meter gemeten. De te registreren hoogte is dan 1,25 meter. Dus ik kom niet in de buurt van 1,00 meter van Jeroen en niet op de 1,50 meter van BELTREES en TIM. Ik heb toen de meting 25 cm laten zakken en dan kom ik wel op de 1 meter van Jeroen. Daar heb ik 8,66 meter gemeten.

Dus zou ik als meetresultaten moeten opvoeren 1.30 m 8,86 meter en op 1 meter 8,66.

Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-04-23 08:42:11, said:
Ik heb "deze linde" hier geplaatst, omdat ik hem een paar zocht en niet kon vinden. Hij staat vermeld in "Merkwaardige bomen van België" uit 1978. Metingen in het boek zijn uit 1977. Het is een uitgave van de dienst Waters en bossen van België. Op 1 meter zou de boom 7,30 meter zijn en daarboven splitste hij zich in drie stammen van 3meter, 3,10m en 3,40 meter op 1.50m.

Bess, at 2014-04-22 22:11:53, said:
O! Goeie tip voor een klein omweggetje op volgende ardennen trip!

Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-04-22 20:25:57, said:
Hallo Belgische vrienden. Ik was op deze plek op 22-4-2014. De eigenaar schoot me aan en dacht dat ik een bomenspecialist was. We hebben wat gepraat en uiteindelijk leg ik jullie Belgen het volgende voor.

Deze Sequoia is kennelijk ten dode opgeschreven. Hun boomspecialist heeft geconstateerd dat er "le mouche rouge" in grote getalen heeft geïnstalleerd. Dat zou dodelijk zijn. Kunnen we hierbij helpen?

Scholem Alejchem, at 2014-04-17 09:41:23, said:
Ich will ja nicht ätzen, aber der letzte bebilderte Absatz hier

wäre sicher hilfreich.

lg Scholem

Karlheinz, at 2014-04-18 05:57:26, said:
Hallo Scholem,

bei einem vielstämmigen Baum, wo die Verzweigungen schon unterhalb von 1,30 m liegen, mache ich grundsätzlich eine Taillenmessung. Die beschreibt den Stamm besser als eine sture 1,30-m-Messung. Da MT kein Datenfeld zur Kennzeichnung als Taillenmessung hat, muß die Angabe der von 1,30 m abweichenden Messhöhe (hier 10 cm) genügen.

Scholem Alejchem, at 2014-04-18 08:47:36, said:
Hallo Karlheinz

Das ist ziemlich einfach, wenn man zuerst eine Messung an der geringsten gemeinsamnen Stelle macht und die Höhe angibt und dann eine auf 1,30m Höhe beim dicksten Stamm.

So wie viele andere auch ist zB. diese Flügelnuss Caucasian wingnut (Pterocarya fraxinifolia) '12254'

das beste Beispiel dafür.

lg Scholem

Karlheinz, at 2014-04-18 11:51:58, said:
Hallo Scholem,

bei deiner Flügelnuss sieht es so aus, als kommen sechs Einzelbäume aus dem Erdreich heraus (eine Verbindung darf im Erdreich vermutet werden), da bietet sich keine Taillenmessung an. In meinem Fall sind es zwei einzeln stehende Bäume und den größeren der beiden habe ich gemessen, aber da bot sich eben die Taillenmessung auf 10 cm Höhe an, weil die Verzweigungen direkt über der Erdoberfläche beginnen. Die "Taillenmessung" ist die Messung an der engsten Stelle unterhalb der Verzweigungen und ich halte sie für aussagekräftiger als die Messung eines einzelnen Stämmlings. Ob das hier bei diesem Gebilde in exakt 1,30 m überhaupt sinnvoll möglich ist, will ich gern prüfen, wenn ich noch mal hin komme.

viele Grüße


Karlheinz, at 2014-04-22 07:18:14, said:
Hallo Scholem,

würdest du denn auch bei diesem Eisenholzbaum neben der Messung in Bodennähe noch einen Stämmling auswählen und in 1,30 m Höhe messen?

Meines Erachtens macht das wenig Sinn.

Grüße, Karlheinz

Scholem Alejchem, at 2014-04-22 08:20:52, said:
Mach was Du willst

KoutaR, at 2014-04-21 09:50:45, edited at 2014-04-21 09:51:27, said:
This photo appears twice. Please remove the duplicate. See the specimen page: coast redwood (Sequoia sempervirens) '17142'.

Conifers, at 2014-04-20 20:27:45, said:
Pinus halepensis

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bertusrietberg, at 2014-04-20 18:29:26, said:
Onder monumentale bomen in Bronckhorst staat op een vervolgpagina een schrijffoutje Bronkhorst moet zijn Bronckhorst (denk ik)

Conifers, at 2014-04-18 19:42:36, said:
Do you have a close-up of the foliage (and cones if present), please?
JUAN ALBERT PORCAR, at 2014-04-19 07:27:29, said:

Chamaecyparis funebris (ciprés fúnebre)

Conifers, at 2014-04-20 17:32:28, said:
Thanks! Agree, Cupressus funebris (formerly sometimes treated in Chamaecyparis, but wrongly so).

Conifers, at 2014-04-20 17:30:41, said:
Pinus canariensis

Michel Riepen, at 2014-04-20 16:18:47, said:
De boom bevindt solitair zich midden in een jong Beukenbos.

RedRob, at 2014-04-17 17:27:29, said:
Hope to have abit of help with 100% verification for this tree. Emailed Duncombe to ask them to confirm but no reply.

Photo 4, a 32 metre Beech had fallen over winter plus a smaller Sycamore and opened up a window to see this tree. Photo 1, the three tall trees in the centre, the one on the right was definitely Oak when I measured it at 34.6 metres last year. I couldn't see the bases of the other two to hit them with the laser. I think that they were Oak, took photos of the ground underneath and Oak and Beech leaves but I amjust not 100% sure as the Oak and Ash bark patterns on trees on this estate are quite if very similar. I stood 48.2 metres below the right branch tip of this tree doing a horizontal measurement. The laser measured 40.8-41.2 metres for the vertical separation between the tree base and tip. I did over 30 measurements to just make sure that I was not getting deflection, mis-readings from any stray closer twigs between the laser and tree base but got measurements in this range consistantly. No leaves on trees and difficult to get a hit on the tallest twig, right one which was the highest, so if anything it may be abit more than 41.2 metres but I will go with 41 metres.

Are these photos good enough to confirm 100% that this is Oak, the twigs were so high up?

The 32 metre fallen Beech in the photo, the tree just above it is the 36.2 metre Ash, the two Beeches just up to it's right, the front one in 40 metres, very lucky that some of these didn't fall. It is very sheltered from the SW wind at the bottom of this escarpment, surprising that this has fallen (and several other Beeches and what looks like a big Sycamore on the escarpment), there must have been a whirlwind or vortex or something?

Jeroen Philippona, at 2014-04-17 22:04:20, said:
Hi Rob,

Better buy a looking glass for identification of high branches. Soon there will be leaves, so identification will be easy. Branch pattern of common oak and ash is very different, so should not be a problem.

A height of 41 m is not amazing for an oak at such a sheltered location, but oak, beech, ash and lime all four can grow to such heights. In Bialowieza there are many pedunculate oaks of 40 to 41 m and some of around 42 m with one over 43 m as heighest measured. This is at a site with rather dry climate and cold winters. There is of cours much less wind in such a far inland location compared to Yorkshire. The very tall sessile oaks in some forests in France are on very favorable sites but perhaps these trees also are genetically of a special quality.


RedRob, at 2014-04-18 16:25:51, said:
Hello Jeroen, I corrected the map co-ordinates on Google and that of the 36 metre Ash near it, the crowns on the two trees do not look the same and this tree looks the same as the definite 34.6 metre Oak in front of it, I am 99% sure it is Oak. Even through the laser rangefinder I was still not 100% sure but the leaves on the floor below were Oak and Beech. Oak, Quercus Robur or Ash, it is a Britain and Ireland champion for height.

RedRob, at 2014-04-19 16:38:41, said:
I have added an up trunk photo of this 41 metre tree, does this help to identify?

common ash (Fraxinus excelsior) '12653' It has flummoxed me, the bark looks Ash as here with this definite tree (click on all four photos to see added up trunk view) but it also looks exactly like the Oaks on the estate.

Jeroen Philippona, at 2014-04-20 13:02:25, edited at 2014-04-20 13:16:05, said:
The bark pattern of the ash is typically for that species. It differs form most oaks in being more regular, less deep furrowed, less rough looking. The bark patter of the supposed 41 m oak indeed looks more like oak than ash to me. Also the branch pattern looks much more like oak. Ash has rather coarse, thick twigs, pedunculate ans sessile oak normaly have finer but more winding / irregular branches.

Something related: recently the American tree expert Bart Bouricius found a new world height record for Quercus: last week he measured an oak high in the mountains of Costa Rica if the species Quercus bumelioides with a height of 60.4 m (198 feet)! The CBH over buttresses is 14.2 m (46'5") but above the buttresses at 4.3 m (14') height the girth is 5.8 m (18'9").

The oak is proparly called "Grandfather Oak".

There is reported an even taller and larger oak in the region he wants to visit soon.

There were already reported oaks of 50 to 60 m from these forests, but now this has been proven by a laser measurement!

So the height of this subtropical oak is over 11 m taller than any oak accurate measured in Europe or the USA, were the records stay below 49 m till now.

There are reported (but not proven) Quercus trees also of 60 m from Asia and of 50 m from Iran.

Here is a link to the report: .

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Martha, at 2014-04-20 12:15:27, said:
Geachte heer, mevrouw, Uit de provincie Zeeland zijn een paar monumentale bomen opgenomen, waaronder de linde en tamme kastanje in de nabijheid van kasteel Westhove? Als plaatsnaam staat Domburg erbij vermeld, echter dit is Oostkapelle. Evenals de bomen in Berkenbosch. Ik zou u willen vragen of dit gewijzigd kan worden. Bijvoorbaat dank. Met vriendelijke groet, Martha Wedts de Swart, 0118583340.

thetreehunter, at 2014-04-20 10:01:46, said:
Tree Professor Peter Quelch with the great BP nr Homorod
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RedRob, at 2014-04-17 15:39:05, said:
Hello Stephen, been quite a while, are you still with us? Did you purchase your laser?

Stephen Verge, at 2014-04-20 08:08:45, said:
Hello Rob and all

Yes I am still with you but I have been very busy with family, taken on an allotment and generally very busy with my gardening business, also sheltering after the winter we have just had!! Not good for your laser measuring!

Laser has been put on hold as usual just time is needed, my spare time seems to shrinking rapidly of late!

Are there any major tree losses i.e champions?

I was worried about the big Douglas Fir in North Wales after that bad gale?



Stephen Verge, at 2014-04-20 08:08:53, said:
Hello Rob and all

Yes I am still with you but I have been very busy with family, taken on an allotment and generally very busy with my gardening business, also sheltering after the winter we have just had!! Not good for your laser measuring!

Laser has been put on hold as usual just time is needed, my spare time seems to shrinking rapidly of late!

Are there any major tree losses i.e champions?

I was worried about the big Douglas Fir in North Wales after that bad gale?



Conifers, at 2014-04-18 22:07:06, said:
Thanks for the extra photos! Yes, clearly Thuja plicata. The bark photos also show typical Thuja plicata bark.
Karlheinz, at 2014-04-18 23:25:14, said:
I faced Christoph Michels and the "Kiefernspezi" as representatives of the "Deutsche Dendrologische Gesellschaft e.V." with your determination and asked to comment.



Karlheinz, at 2014-04-20 07:06:56, said:
I have changed the species to Thuja plicata.

Typical whitish pattern on the branches underside, the habitus of the entire tree and the bark point to Thuja plicata. Cones, which would also be suitable for distinction, could not be found yet.

RedRob, at 2014-04-18 16:35:42, said:
Summising it is Beech but never seen a bark pattern like this before on Beech? Is this some sort of variant?

MoritzNagel, at 2014-04-18 19:09:02, said:
Hi Redbob,

that bark pattern is typical for Carpinus betulus, if I'm not mistaken.

TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2014-04-18 20:24:20, said:
I'd agree with Hornbeam, though the pattern is not really typical unless the tree is smaller than I'd imagined. I've never seen a Beech like that.

Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-04-18 21:22:26, said:
Horbaem is the species. Barkpattern is very beautiful but typical for some hornbaem. I don't know why, or howe iit's formed.


RedRob, at 2014-04-19 16:14:11, said:
Hello Owen, Martin et al. I have posted some more photographs, I took a photo of the leaves beneath the tree and they struck me as being Beech, not toothed like Hornbeam? Perhaps I am wrong here and Hornbeam leaves are more variant then I expected. In the longer range photo, it is the fourth tree trunk from the right, next to the definite 34.6 metre probably 35 metre Oak at the top of the crown. I measured 28 metres to a part that I could see was this undetermined tree but couldn't clearly see the top for twigs so couldn't do a heighting for the actual height. Judging by the Oak next door it must be about 30 metres.

TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2014-04-19 17:35:57, said:
The second trunk photo has convinced me too that it's a Hornbeam. You're right, Rob, there are no Hornbeam leaves in your photo of dead leaves on the ground - they decay more quickly through the winter months. There are Beech leaves, and also leaves of both species of oak - about twice as many Q. petraea leaves as Q. robur leaves. The Q. petraea leaves have shallower, more regular lobes and there is always a leafstalk 1.5 - 2.5cm long. The Q. robur leaves have irregular lobes with deeper sinuses between them, and the stalk is seldom as much as 1cm long. There are two small lobes which point backwards on either side of the leaf-stalk (auricles); Q. petraea only ever shows very slight auricles. With practice it is possible to differentiate the species in leaf from a distance, but binoculars will help you to begin with. I should like to know which species the tallest oaks here belong to!

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Rayn, at 2014-04-16 08:05:30, said:
How far is spring in your area and which trees are first?

Snow have now melted, in almost all shaded places too here, and most trees have developed fresh buds and the willows have formed their catkins.

aubreyfennell, at 2014-04-16 17:54:40, said:
Living in Carlow,south-east Ireland at 52'50N and 50 km from the Irish Sea as I do,spring has burst reasonably early

this year. We have just suffered the wettest winter on record with almost 500mm rainfall in Dec to Feb. It usually

is about 170mm for this period.The lowest winter temperature recorded was -2.8c and we had no snow. April has been dry ,sunny and warm and the most common trees such as Quercus,Fagus,Acer pseudoplatanus and Crataegus are almost fully in leaf. Our swallows arrived on the 9th and butterflies such as peacock,red admiral,brimstone,holly blue,small tortoiseshell and green veined white have emerged in the garden but I am still waiting for speckled wood and orange tip. I am still clearing up fallen trees after the most devastating storm[Darwin]in 20 years.On February 12th wind

gusts of 178kms an hour hit the south-west and reached 135kms here in Carlow.Up to 3 million forestry trees were flattened and many of our monumental trees are now gone.

KoutaR, at 2014-04-17 14:21:41, said:
Here in Saxony (Sachsen, Germany), the first tree bud burst was about three weeks ago. Now many species have at least half-grown leaves, exceptions are e.g. Quercus, whose leaves are starting to grow, and Fraxinus, which is always the last one. Spring is early in this years. The winter was very mild, with only a few days snow.

A few years ago I wrote down when each tree species come into leaf but I don't find my notes for now. Anyway, Sambucus nigra is always the first one. Other early species include Aesculus, Carpinus, Betula, Sorbus aucuparia and Crataegus.

Maarten Windemuller, at 2014-04-18 09:02:37, edited at 2014-04-18 19:49:57, said:
> 40 years I follow the beech leaves at 1 of may. When there is sun shining you can catch those thin silver lines at the borders of the leaves because of the sun lighting the hairs at the borders of the young leaves. Not a day earlier, first of may :). This year two weeks earlier, first time.

As most of the plants & trees: this year the siver lines where at least 2 weeks earlier at surroundings of .

Azalea mollis already 2 weeks full orange.

Akebia quinata at de backdoor pergola smells wonderful when you come home late, Rhododendron Cunningham's White next to the letterbox full flowers. Special spring this year.

TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2014-04-18 20:21:54, said:
In southern England, this has been the earliest spring since I first started noting the times trees come into flower (about thirty years ago): about 15 days ahead of the 'average', though the average for the last decade is probably a week ahead of the average in the 1980s. (And yet the spring of 2013 was one of the latest and coldest.) This has also been the first winter in my home-town of Hastings, on the south coast, when there have been no air-frosts at all. The very wet and windy weather has damaged many trees, but of the 1000 or so nationally-important trees I've revisited so far this year as part of my ongoing updates of the Tree Register records, not one has been lost.

RedRob, at 2014-04-19 16:21:23, said:
Hello Owen, not been so lucky, two of the champion trees that I measured previously have been damaged and lost some growth. One looked as if it had been hit by a falling tree and is now in danger of toppling into the river, undermined by this winter's heavy rain.

Scholem Alejchem, at 2014-04-19 10:49:20, said:
RedRob, at 2014-04-19 16:18:43, said:
Magnificent, only one word needed. The Grove of Titans is a spectacular place. The way that dead foliage gathers and piles up the base and then ferns grow is also quite something.

Rayn, at 2014-04-10 10:53:22, said:
My guess is that some kind of poplar, but I can't say for sure.

Maarten Windemuller, at 2014-04-10 20:31:12, said:
Hei Rayn,

Could it be Grey Alder (Alnus incana)? Maybe you can make some pictures from details like twigs with buds.

Best regards,


Rayn, at 2014-04-10 22:07:46, said:
I'll return later in spring and try to get some closeups, one problem is that the first twigs is at least 10 meters or so up but maybe I can find some cracked twig or fallen leaf by then, thank you for your answer.

Rayn, at 2014-04-19 10:15:03, said:
No leafs yet, but i couldn't see any of the cones or pendants typical for grey alder. I did some research, and they are mentioned before but only as "populus other than tremoloides". I missed one with the girth of 448 cm, which was kind of clumsy. Anyway in Finland it seems kind of common with a Sibirian type called Populus Laurifolia (Laurel-leaf poplar) and a hybrid called Populus Petrowskiana (Petrowskiana poplar) which resembles the ones I found.

We'll see when the leafs come.

Historically it is very strange that a Russian poplar is planted in the early 1800's as Sweden lost Finland to Russia 1809 and the relationships where probably not the best.

TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2013-11-15 17:55:00, said:
The historic heights for this tree seem to show the limitations of both hypsometers and lasers. 33m is optimistic, aiming at branches which are arching slightly towards the observer. 27m is much too low, due to the laser hitting low twigs on the near side (the top of a tree with a crown as rounded as this is completely hidden, even from a distance, in summer. Having measured it several times (with hypsometer) before it leafs out, I'm going to plump for 30.8m - though I can't really claim that degree of accuracy.
Jeroen Philippona, at 2013-11-16 00:43:03, edited at 2013-11-16 00:46:48, said:
Yes, I think with 31 m you are near the true height of this tree. My 33 m measurement in 2007 with Suunto clinometer was not very accurate. Owen, you should add your 30.8 m measurement also in the system with the right date.

When you visit Kew next time you could measure it again with laser. I also think Wim B. did not hit the tallest branches.

Wim Brinkerink, at 2013-11-16 15:02:11, said:
What both of you are saying might well be true. It's not always easy to find the highest one and a mistake is easily made.
krossdal1, at 2014-03-30 10:43:24, said:
great tree
RedRob, at 2014-04-17 16:07:40, said:
Wouldn't an answer for this tree be to email Kew and ask them to meet you with one of those hydraulic extendable things which men stand in to get up to the crowns of trees to prune? It would give you a view over the top of the crown more and down to the base, that said some of the branches look low and could obscure the view of the laser from some windows.
Conifers, at 2014-04-17 19:14:24, said:
That sounds a good idea, offer them £1000 for the costs of using it, and I'm sure they'd do it ;-))
Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-04-17 19:17:58, said:
One mistake I made before 2014 is that I didn't add my own length to the measurement. So my measurement must at least be heightened with 1.80 meters.
RedRob, at 2014-04-18 16:30:00, said:
I regularly enjoy a walk around the Fountains Abbey estate and the National Trust often have their hydraulic container mounted on the back of a Land Rover out and pruning trees, I imagine that Kew will have something similar. Shouldn't be a difficult job to email them to ask when they might be doing some pruning in that area. If it is to confirm a champion tree they possibly would be quite obliging.
Jeroen Philippona, at 2014-04-18 20:57:31, said:
I am sure that it is not that difficult to measure the height of this tree, you just have to get far enough to see the real top: from the north there is an open view from over 100 m to the tree, the top can be seen easily from there.

Conifers, at 2014-04-18 19:40:09, said:
Foliage characters identify readily as Thuja plicata

Tim, at 2014-04-18 08:35:30, said:
Incredible Rainer, that you keep finding such great trees and manage to get nice sunny spring photos of them.

Keep up the good work,


Rainer Lippert, at 2014-04-18 15:58:11, said:
Hallo Tim,

danke für das Lob. Ich will mich auch weiterhin bemühen ;-)

Viele Grüße,


Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-03-21 21:14:10, said:
Wie wil mij vertellen wat ze vinden van de monumentaliteit van deze boom ?Ik ben zeer nieuwsgierig? Geen sparende antwoorden svp. Zeg gewoon wat je vindt. Al vind je het helemaal niks, maakt mij niet uit.
Conifers, at 2014-03-21 23:09:07, said:
Hi Wim - it looks to be a good specimen for its species (if I am right with it being Malus sylvestris!), above average but not exceptional in size or location; if rating it, I guess I would give it around 3.75 or 4 on MT's rating system.
Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-03-22 07:08:28, said:
Hai Wim and Conifers,

Malus sylvestris checks out with it's overal treeform, bark, flower and leaf. It is a beautiful old tree and belongs in MT as I see it.

Greetings, Martin

Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-03-22 10:11:07, said:
Thank you fot your opinion There is also somebody who speaks in numbers. Probably a bit shy person
Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-03-22 12:44:04, said:

Ik geef foto's een waardering als fotokwaliteit en de mate waarin de boom mijn bewondering, verwondering of andere emotie oproept. Dat is meer bepalend dan de maten (geen Miss World verkiezing).

Veel plezier trouwens volgende week met de fotocursus van Hans Clausing in de Leidse Hortus.


Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-03-22 12:50:59, said:
Hi Martin,

Dat is ook mijn lijn. Daarnaast Geef ik niet stelselmatig allerlei foto's die ik lager waardeer dan 3 een cijfer. Dat is zo flauw en irritant. Maar ja, kennelijk heeft de betreffende figuur daar veel behoefte aan want hij doet het vaak. Hier ook weer. Ik snap niet waarom je één van deze foto's een 2,5 moet geven. Het is niet zo dat ik me daardoor gekwetst voel. Eigenlijk interesseert het me niet zo veel. Ik vind het plaatje wel mooi, zo van die frisse voorjaarsbloesem, maar dat hoeft niemand met me eens te zijn. Ik vind het alleen raadselachtig en ik begrijp graag alles. (Ik was nou eenmaal een controlfreak in mijn werkzame leven)


TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2014-03-30 17:21:09, said:
From your photo, Wim, I'm fairly confident this is Malus hupehensis, a species from China and Japan introduced (to Britain) around 1901. It is one of the largest-growing Malus, as well as one of the most beautiful.
Leo Goudzwaard, at 2014-03-30 18:05:50, said:
Hello Owen,Wim and others

M. hupehensis could be right, or M. baccata. Both species have pure white flowers. They differ in fruits, but from the image of the flowering tree it is difficult to say. M. baccata is more common than M. hupehensis in the Netherlands. Flowers of M. sylvestris are not white, so it is certainly not M. sylvestris. I agree in changing the species in M. hupehensis.

Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-03-30 19:02:23, edited at 2014-03-30 19:23:51, said:
Thank you all for the intrest. With your comment in mind I will try to give additional information.I'm not at all surprised if this is a special tree. I talked to some people in the neighbourhoud, they keep being attracted to it's beauty. Besides The Clingendael estate is a very special place. During centuries is was habitated by people that made a difference in history. Up till now it is habitated by a scientific elaborate institute that studies international relations.

Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-04-05 19:03:43, said:
Hi all,

Today I visited this tree again and was very much surprised that it didn't show any flowers. Apparently it blooms only one time in two years?. Does this add information for you? Ik will upload some new pictures of the leaves and bark. Furthermore I saw a smaller similar tree next to it and another apparently the same some hundred metres furtheron.

TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2014-04-06 16:32:58, said:
In England they bloom each year, but they are not the earliest to bloom (still in bud now). I find it difficult to tell M.hupehensis with confidence from M. baccata (or M. mandshurica which is the commonly grown form), but this tree's wide-spreading irregular habit and bark cracking into big scales with orange and pink tints are characteristic of M. hupehensis.
Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-04-18 15:36:56, said:
Hi all,

Today I again visited the Malus Hupehensis (t 16999) and to my pleasure I saw it is full of buds. Next week I will visit it again accompanied by Martin Tijdgat. For now I upload a picture of the bus.

Furthermore, apparently there was someone in the Hague who really liked these trees, I found another example in the West of the Hague on the Hyacinthweg. I will post it later on.

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Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-04-18 15:32:07, said:
Hallo Leo,

Zoals je hebt kunnen zien, heb ik de informatie over de bomen in het Merwesteinpark Dordrecht een beetje gesystematiseerd en toegankelijker gemaakt. Nou kom ik 2 metingen van jou tegen die ik niet kan plaatsen. 1. Je hebt een Libanoneik opgevoerd die er volgens de gegevens van de Stichting Merwestein park en mijn waarnemingen niet is. En 2 je hebt een meting voor een plataan toegevoegd. Kun je nog achterhalen voor welke dat is?


Wim Brinkerink

Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-04-18 12:01:02, said:
Wim; wauw wat een foto van deze prachtige klimboom. Martin
Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-04-18 14:50:50, said:
Dank je, Martin.

Even ter info, Maarten Windemuller wees me op het negatieve effekt van de bestrating rondom. Ik heb deze zorg aan de beheerder doorgegeven. Kan geen kwaad. De beheerder geeft ook aan dat de boom zeer geliefd is als klimboom, maar dat hij volgens hem nog heel gezonds is.


Bess, at 2013-12-03 21:27:17, said:
Heerlijke haagbeuk!
Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-04-18 06:44:56, said:
Hai Bess,

Als ik deze foto zie dan is dit, net als de boom waar ook discussie over is in het park Merwestein in Dordrecht, een eikbladige haagbeuk Carpinus betulus 'Quercifolia'.

Heb je wellicht foto's van verschillende bomen bij deze boom gezet, want ik zie ook een foto van een kaarsrechte populierenstam?

Groet, Martin

Bess, at 2014-04-18 10:26:46, said:
De haagbeuk is de scheve stam op de achtergrond. Populier is de boom die hier in deze foto niet in beeld is. En op de voorgrond van deze foto zie je blaadjes van meidoorn.

De populier links van het kapelletje en rond de kapel een gemengde haag, waarvan de haagbeuken zijn uitgegroeid. Aan de grilligheid van de haagbeuk te zien, gewone Carpinus betulus.

:-) het wordt inderdaad verwarrend zo. Maar de plek is bijzonder door zijn geheel. De populier 'vodjesboom' wordt zelf niet echt gebruikt voor 'vodjes' wel de haag rond de kapel. En omdat ik zelf een Carpinus liefhebber ben trokken die natuurlijk ook mijn aandacht!

Bess, at 2014-04-18 10:27:08, said:
De haagbeuk is de scheve stam op de achtergrond. Populier is de boom die hier in deze foto niet in beeld is. En op de voorgrond van deze foto zie je blaadjes van meidoorn.

De populier links van het kapelletje en rond de kapel een gemengde haag, waarvan de haagbeuken zijn uitgegroeid. Aan de grilligheid van de haagbeuk te zien, gewone Carpinus betulus.

:-) het wordt inderdaad verwarrend zo. Maar de plek is bijzonder door zijn geheel. De populier 'vodjesboom' wordt zelf niet echt gebruikt voor 'vodjes' wel de haag rond de kapel. En omdat ik zelf een Carpinus liefhebber ben trokken die natuurlijk ook mijn aandacht!

Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-04-18 11:56:29, said:
Hai Bess,

De machtige gespierde grillige haagbeuk hoort ook tot mijn favorieten!

Na deze uitleg snap ik het pas echt. Kan je je verhaal voor deze bijzondere combinatie van vodjesboom (populier), kapelletje, ring meidoorns en haagbeuken waar de 'vodjes' in worden gehangen daar op aanpassen? Heb je misschien een foto van de hele combinatie met de complete zwarte populier?

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Scholem Alejchem, at 2014-04-18 10:54:53, edited at 2014-04-18 10:58:22, said:
Liebe Leute

Ich habe eine Facebookgruppe namens Monumentale Bäume eröffnet, wo sich Baumliebhaber treffen und austauschen können. Ich habe in der letzten Zeit auf FB immer wieder "geteiltes" erhalten, das ich gerne diskutieren und herzeigen möchte, aber durch die Copyright-Bestimmungen nicht im MT-Forum konnte.

Ich werde die MT-Homepage angeben als weiterführende Information, wenn es recht ist.

liebe Grüße


Maarten Windemuller, at 2014-04-18 08:47:36, said:
Pavement around the tree: beginning of end. Pity

Leo Goudzwaard, at 2014-04-15 15:39:18, said:
hallo Wim, dit is Fagus sylvatica 'Aspleniifolia', mooie boom, Leo

Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-04-16 15:29:16, said:
Hi Leo,.

Dank voor de correctie. Jammer dat zelfs info van een park waarvan de grondlegger J.R. Hoey Smith is, zijn bomen niet correct benoemd. Ik had de naam uit hun eigen informatiebronnen. Ik zal het veranderen.



Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-04-17 08:18:47, edited at 2014-04-17 08:32:38, said:
Hallo Leo,

De beheerder namens gemeente en stichting blijft erbij dat het een Carpinus betulus Quercifolia is. Nico Duyndam (de beheerder) geeft aan " Wim ik moet je toch teleurstellen boom nr 48 is echt een Carpinus betulus Quercifolia een Fagus sylvatica Asplenifolia draagt sowieso geen 2 verschillende bladvormen. Dit even ter kennisgeving. Groeten


Nou ben ik niet teleurgesteld dat het toch een Carpinus Betulus Quercifolia is, maar wel in onzekerheid wat ik zal doen.



Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-04-17 09:14:45, said:

Ik heb nogmaals contact gehad met Nico Duyndam. Zodra de boom in blad staat stuurt hij een foto. Naar zijn mening is dat het meest overtuigend.



Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-04-17 17:38:50, said:
Wim en Leo,

De F.s. 'Aspleniifolia' heeft wel degelijk 2 verschillende bladvormen. Kijk maar naar mijn foto's van de varenbeuk in Woodstock Gardens. Ik heb er met Gert Fortgens van Arboretum Trompenburg ook over gehad, maar er is een hele zwerm van in de natuur gevonden beuken met afwijkende bladvormen; met ingesneden tot lijnvormige bladeren. Deze gevonden vormen kregen bij naamgeving allerlei verschillende namen.

Maar ga er graag eens kijken want Carpinus betulus 'Quercifolia' als volwassen boom heb ik nog niet gezien.

Groet, Marrtin

Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-04-17 19:23:25, said:
IK heb zojuist 17-4-2014 21.22 uur een foto van het blad bij de boom geplaatst.

Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-04-17 20:15:00, edited at 2014-04-17 20:16:20, said:
Han van Meegeren heeft een zelfde soort boom opgevoerd in Breda. [ t 9593]

Hij geeft aan dat de boom grotendeels beukenbladeren heeft en aan de uiteinden eikenbladeren.

common hornbeam (Carpinus betulus) '9593'

Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-04-17 22:36:00, said:
Wim, Han, Leo,

De boom ziet er voor mij wel degelijk uit als Carpinus betulus 'Quercifolia', gezien de detailfoto. De varenbeuk heeft meestal insnijdingen die scherper zijn en naar de top van het blad steeds dieper insnijden tot bladeren die vrijwel geheel lijnvormig zijn. Die laatste bladvorm heb ik nooit bij jonge C.b. 'Quercifolia' gezien.

Groet, Martin

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Jeroen Philippona, at 2014-04-03 20:06:36, said:
Hi Owen,

Nice you confirmed it to be 41 m! I visited Knole with Tim Bekaert in April 2007 and was a bit frustrated I did not know where this tree stood so that I did not find it.

Did you remeasure the girth also?

Regards, Jeroen

Tim B, at 2014-04-04 06:58:54, said:
Yes indeed, I remember very well. I looked on the map where the tree stands, and reconstructed our walk in 2007: luckily for us now, Jeroen, we did not walk very close to the tree and missed it.

Kind regards,


TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2014-04-06 16:37:10, said:
I've now heard that the tree was climbed by Waldo Etherington last year at 38.7m, which is much closer to my hypsometer estimates, so this time the laser height is probably not accurate. I could only record 41m from one direction - the rest of the time I was getting around 39m but felt I was only hitting near shoots on the side of the crown. It is a difficult tree to record because of the broad, even dome, and I doubt if Waldo's team got to the very highest shoots.

RedRob, at 2014-04-17 15:56:41, said:
This is a superb tree, is there any visible wind shear on it Owen, was the higher reading looking at the tree from the north east side? With a big crown like this, it must be a real decision for a climber to decide which is the tallest shoot sticking up, how would they have decided which one to choose?

RedRob, at 2014-04-17 15:56:57, said:
This is a superb tree, is there any visible wind shear on it Owen, was the higher reading looking at the tree from the north east side? With a big crown like this, it must be a real decision for a climber to decide which is the tallest shoot sticking up, how would they have decided which one to choose?

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RedRob, at 2014-04-15 17:17:30, said:
How has everyone faired with damage from the winter storms? Quite alot of my own to report, alot of damage, fallen and shattered trees up here.

Jeroen Philippona, at 2014-04-15 21:21:32, said:
In the NW of the Netherlands there was a lot of storm damage in November and December, in Amsterdam a lot of trees in the old city fell over. In the region where I live in the east there was little storm damage this winter. The winter here was a lot dryer and with less wind compared to most of the UK. January to March were very warm and dry.


Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-04-16 00:57:40, said:
RedRob and Jeroen,

From the 10.000 trees I take care off in my area (Wijdemeren next to Hilversum) there were 45 storm victims after october 28 2013. 10 birch in one street, 7 young Liquidambar, 5 young Pterocarya stenoptera, and only a few 60 year old trees as oak, Groeneveld-iep, aspen, London plane, willow and lime.

We have already replanted 19 trees like 4 Ostrya carpinifolia, Ulmus 'Frontier', 3-stemmed Parrotia persica, Ginkgo biloba 'Saratoga', Acer platanoides 'Eurostar' Acer rubrum 'Karpick', Ulmus 'Dodoens'. I have to find room for 11 other trees to keep in line with our 60% replant in the local tree policy paper.


RedRob, at 2014-04-17 15:51:19, said:
When you watch the BBC weather forecasts, a great deal of the time with the depressions you can see the tight isobars over us even down to the channel and then open isobars sometimes none over France, Germany, even the low countries as you say, amazing what a few miles difference makes southern England over to the continent.

RedRob, at 2014-04-15 17:12:27, said:
Hello all, this bear has just woken up from hibernation.

The recent and ongoing photo voting saga, these photos will trounce any ever posted on here (winks)

Seriously, the biggest tragedy since I have been tree hunting and measuring. Forestry is not sentimental I know but walking around this site up the devastated land up the hill, this must have been the or one of the largest and most mature stands of Abies Procera anywhere judging by all the stumps. I could see big shadows on Google Maps, these stragglers that are left were probably not the tallest, I suspect a 40 meterer here. The tallest left is the slightly leaning tree immediately above the lady on the horse, 33.8 metres consistantly but had to aim just below the tip to get a hit with the laser. Anyone have any opinions as to why seemingly isolated trees like this are left standing? Are they likely to be left standing? If not then the trees here are likely to have gone already. If only I had visited a month earlier.

Sisley, at 2014-04-15 18:45:41, said:
Storms are always a problem for trees and plantations in especially for a monospecific plot of the same age, exposed to wind corridor.

It's a shock at the time, but we are forced to go ahead and then nature abhors a vacuum, so in years other species grow on the ground.

This is my main fear for some old specimens open field I spotted but what can you do front from the elements.

Conifers, at 2014-04-15 19:34:45, said:
The other option is that they left some standing to act as seed trees to regenerate the site naturally - Noble Fir is quite good at producing natural regeneration in Britain.

RedRob, at 2014-04-17 15:43:53, said:
Hello Conifers, funny that you should say that, I was struck by how many self seeded Nobles there were on bits of the slope where the caterpillar machine hadn't been, all really small ones no bigger than about 6 inches, none of any higher height? Whether taller ones had been destroyed but I couldn't find any evidence if they had? When I visited Cragside, there were seedling Douglas Firs and Hemlocks around many tree bases but no Noble Fir seedlings around the big Nobles, the seedlings here are Greenhow are the first that I have ever seen. Perhaps if they are leaving the remaining trees for self seeding, this Yorkshire County champion Noble will survive unless exposure leads to it being dropped.

RedRob, at 2014-04-17 15:45:48, said:
What are the old specimans you fear for Sisley? Does that big near 58 metre Sequoiadendron have reasonable shelter, do you think that there may be more Seqys of this height waiting for you to find?

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RedRob, at 2014-04-17 15:38:02, said:
Hello Aubrey, just read your post on the 'Spring' thread that sounds wild to say the least, if I remember correctly I think we had 87mph at Bingley as the maximum here. Driving around I have seen shattered trees all over the place, it will be a case of re-checking trees to see if there has been any damage. I hope for instance that the big Sweet Chestnuts at Fountains haven't fallen. Which of your monumental trees have gone, any of real significance for height? The 40 metre Ash hasn't gone for instance has it? How are you getting on with the Nikon Forestry Pro laser?

Frank Gyssling, at 2014-04-16 18:16:02, said:
Mein "Abwerter" ist wieder pünktlich zur Stelle ;-). Wie immer, leider ohne Kommentar.
Rainer Lippert, at 2014-04-16 18:25:52, said:
Hallo Frank,

es ist nicht "dein" Abwerter ;-) Meine Bilder erhalten auch zu genüge so niedrige Bewertungen.

Viele Grüße,


Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-04-16 17:39:59, said:
Hallo Leo.

Er is geen Libanoneik in het Merwesteinpark. Is dit misschien de moseik?

Groet Wim

Zeltins, at 2014-04-14 16:10:28, said:
Still alive after the 2005th January storms.
RedRob, at 2014-04-15 17:25:08, said:
Quite a few trees like this up here in Yorkshire after this winter.

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OKAnnette, at 2014-04-15 11:20:34, said:
Hoi Han, weet jij wanneer de Pawlowna Tormentosa in Maastricht bloeit? Vanuit Friesland wel een te grote gok om op de bonnefooi te gaan. Annette

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OKAnnette, at 2014-04-15 11:17:50, said:
Dag Nardo, weet jij wanneer de Pawlonia Tormentosa in Eindhoven bloeit? Ik zou het graag willen zien, maar een reisje vanuit Friesland is een te grote 'gok' om op de bonnen. Fooi te gaan. Alvast bedankt Annette

Rainer Lippert, at 2014-04-14 21:10:06, said:
Hallo Karlheinz,

reinrassige Schwarz-Pappeln werden nie von Misteln befallen, demnach ist deine Einschätzung absolut richtig.

Viele Grüße,


Treefriend007, at 2014-04-13 20:22:07, said:
This cedar (Atlas/Libanon) seems to be in good shape.

Please communicate details on arboristic diagnosis.

luisindepels, at 2014-04-14 16:14:20, said:
it was demage at the other site.I don't have arboristic diagnosis. but if I can find it or can't take hand of it I will post it...

papagan1950, at 2014-04-14 09:59:40, said:
Komen aan deze beuk ook beukennootjes ik heb nu 8 tamme kastanje 5 walnoten en 2 beukennootbome
Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-04-14 13:49:30, said:
Ik weet het niet. Lijkt me wel.
papagan1950, at 2014-04-14 13:55:00, said:
ik nu wel 8 tamme kastanje 5 walnoten en 2 beukennootjes bomen allemaal zaailingen hoe verder behandel

KoutaR, at 2014-04-10 17:41:26, said:
There are plenty of fallen trees in the satellite image northwest of this tree. What are those fallen trees?

Incredible downy birch!

TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2014-04-13 18:37:48, said:
I seem to remember a plantation of forestry poplars in this area. Parham Park is an ancient deer-park (not open to the public) and a Site of Special Scientific Interest, and the poplars could have been felled to restore the area where they had been planted, as well as to sell the timber.


luisindepels, at 2014-04-11 18:22:28, said:
photo form the plant in the year 1957

Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-04-11 17:37:54, said:

Dank voor de foto's. Ga de boom morgen beter determineren, want het is geen Magnolia maar eerder een Sierkers, wellicht Prunus avium 'Plena'.

Groet, Martin

Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-04-11 16:06:24, said:
Hi Martin,

Ik was vandaag in Rotterdam en onderweg naar huis zag ik een prachtige boom tegenover de oude ingang van de diergaarde. Ik stond perpleks over de boom. Na enig zoekwerk met daarbij de afweging is het een prunus of een malus kwam ik de conclusie Prunus cerasifera.??? Nou ben ik geen expert, maar goed ik leer. Toen ik hem wilde opvoeren kwam ik deze boom van jou tegen. Hij stond er al met een andere naam. Nou laten we maar kijken. Ik voer de maten op en voeg foto's toe. Prachtboom!

Rayn, at 2014-04-10 22:15:31, said:
That is one impressive rowan.


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