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Conifers, at 2014-11-23 18:38:35, said:
Podocarpus sp., perhaps P. salignus (though the leaves are a bit short for this)
wwhiteside97, at 2014-11-23 21:00:48, said:
Thanks, yes I think P. Salignus leaves are too big, will upload a clearer picture..... Possibly nubigenus?
Conifers, at 2014-11-25 09:49:22, said:
Doesn't look like P. nubigenus, which has shorter, stiffer, denser leaves. How large is the plant? If just a small, young plant it could well still be P. salignus, as when young (up to maybe 1-2m tall?) they do have shorter leaves like this.
wwhiteside97, at 2014-11-25 11:44:49, said:
Hi, there are two trees both about 8 or 9 metres tall at the max...
Conifers, at 2014-11-25 23:17:41, said:
OK! So some other Podocarpus . . . not easy!
TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2014-11-26 18:12:01, said:
Wouldn't P. totara be the obvious species?

Unfortunately, there are no historic Alan Mitchell records for these younger plantings at Gosford. Do we know where the Forest Service (?) may have been sourcing them from?

wwhiteside97, at 2014-11-26 19:01:14, edited at 2014-11-26 19:46:22, said:
I will have to get down on Saturday to get a clearer picture of the tree and foliage. Would be hard to know where the Forest Service would have sourced these from as there haven't really been any plantings since and there may not be any records.
Conifers, at 2014-11-26 20:26:25, said:
Doesn't look like P. totara - leaves too long and lax.

ww'97 - are the leaves hard and spiny to handle, or fairly soft?

wwhiteside97, at 2014-11-26 21:14:54, said:
They are a bit spiny but not too much, wouldn't say they are soft either...
wwhiteside97, at 2014-11-27 20:58:44, said:
I have uploaded a couple of clearer pictures of the shoots.
wwhiteside97, at 2014-11-28 17:24:53, said:
It wouldn't be P. Cunninghamii??
Conifers, at 2014-11-28 17:51:57, said:
Not Podocarpus cunninghamii, that has shorter, broader leaves, and - like Podocarpus totara and Podocarpus nubigenus - is also harder and spinier than your comments suggest. Unfortunately, it's a large genus, and though not many are hardy, tracing the right one won't be at all easy.
wwhiteside97, at 2014-11-28 21:17:50, said:
We'll get there eventually!! I will upload a photo of the shape of the tree and the bark tomorrow..
Conifers, at 2014-11-28 23:10:24, said:

Checking through all the pics again, my feeling is still best for P. salignus, a short-leaved individual. Try measuring the longest leaves you can find.

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Sjaakboom, at 2014-11-28 06:28:08, said:

Graag wil ik u uitnodigen in het beschermde kloosterdorp Steyl. Op uw pagina staat slechts 1 Sequoia (mammoet) uit +- 1880. Eenzelfde soort staat bij ons op Sequoiahof naast ons woonhuis. Deze is met zekerheid hoger. Daarnaast staan op het hofje nog een Amerikaanse eik en een wilde kastanje, beiden uit circa 1860. Verder ligt er naast ons woonhuis een botanische tuin die in 1933 is aangelegd. Er staan echter ook bomen van het vroegere landgoed. Al met al een boomrijke omgeving. Met vriendelijke groet, sjaak Smetsers tel 06-21878303

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BRETON, at 2014-11-27 20:41:33, said:
Impossible de completer le lieu dit de l' arbre planté La houssaye

Date de Plantation avant 1849

Sorbus Domestica

Commune Moree 41160 Loir et Cher France

à1.30m du sol , 305 cm

peut être le 6 eme de France

Limite de route communale et intersection de 2 parcelles Villedieu et Boisaubert

18 m de haut

bon etat

Exposé au grand vent, bon systeme racinaire, mare à cote, prairie sans produits engrais chimiques

Va etre classe dans le PLU 2015

JF BRETON EX Chef Jardinier Jardin du Luxembourg Paris

Conifers, at 2014-11-23 00:23:34, said:
A cultivar of Lawson's Cypress Chamaecyparis lawsoniana
wwhiteside97, at 2014-11-23 01:10:10, said:

You wouldn't know which one? It's been annoying me for a while now.

Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-11-23 09:12:04, said:
This can be the slow growing cv. 'Columnaris'. Is known when this tree was planted?
wwhiteside97, at 2014-11-23 10:20:12, said:
No known planting date, although there is a picture of it from 15-20 years ago and it hasn't grown too much since then.
Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-11-23 12:35:58, said:
Looking at the other Lawson's cypresses in this park it is a full matured tree. I would say it is no longer a tree off undetermined species, but a Chamaecyparis lawsoniana 'Columnaris'
TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2014-11-26 18:31:26, said:
Curiously the name 'Columnaris' is used in Britain and Ireland (and in America judging from googling the name) for a quite different cultivar with grey, mostly vertical sprays and a narrow (columnar) habit. On older trees there is a marked change in habit at 4m up, where the sprays become like the type's (but stay the same dull grey). Martin, as 'Columnaris' was a Dutch clone originally, are you saying that the original plants resembled this one?

I would have just said that the Gosford tree is a poorly-grown and scruffy 'Erecta Viridis', but it could well be a scarce, slower-growing named clone.

In 1976 there was a big example of 'Gracilis Pendula' at Gosford, presumably labelled - a Veitch clone. This should have been an open, weeping tree, so I don't suspect this tree is a scion from that one.

wwhiteside97, at 2014-11-26 19:35:25, said:
Could very well be erecta viridis, will check shoots with the other erecta viridis in the forest.
Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-11-26 23:19:51, said:

This is clearly a slow growing slender form. 'Erecta Viridis' is not a cultivar I know, but it looks to be a form that can grow up to 10 meter and more. I have seen a few 'Columnaris' at nurseries in Holland and they resemble this tree in treeform, dense structure and grey-ish color. But it is possible that in Britain and Ireland this cv was or is sold with another cultivar name. I agree with Owen that this is a very slow growing form. Maybe the original cultivarname can be traced in old nurserie catalogues?

wwhiteside97, at 2014-11-26 21:20:23, said:
Showing the slightly older leaves and shoot.

wwhiteside97, at 2014-11-26 21:18:28, said:
Showing the underside of the leaves... very small spine at end of leaf tip.

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Rayn, at 2014-06-20 11:32:02, edited at 2014-06-20 11:34:26, said:
There is a majestic elm at Övraböke, Halmstad, Sweden, as reported by Lars G Andersson in 2011. He believes it to be a pollarded tree, now abandoned, with an impressive girth of 10,6 metres. Looks multistemmed but still quite a monumental specimen.

I hope to visit this location some day but it's a long trip for me so it's unknown when I get the opportunity. I thought I might share it with you if someone are in the neighbourhood for some reason...


Lars G Anderssons coordinates:'03.8%22N+12%C2%B054'13.7%22E/@56.9177737,12.9037396,195m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0

Can be found at

Maarten Windemuller, at 2014-06-21 10:35:32, edited at 2014-06-22 13:14:57, said:
Hei Rayn,

Good suggestion, thank you.

Few weeks ago on the way north, we were in Båstad for the "Suntelbuche" (Vresbok) in the Norrvikens trädgård. We passed Halmstad and the area were Övraböke is.

I found three Ulmus > 10 m girth on Trädportalen. One between Rumskilla and Bodnaryd which are both on my list for next week. It looks that the one near Eksjö is on private ground (Google Earth).

Don't know if I succeed in adding more trees om my list now, depends on more than my own intention. Let's see what happens. At least good to know so I can put them on my list anyway for future visits.

Kind regards, Maarten

Rayn, at 2014-06-22 12:40:00, said:
Did you register the Suntelbuche/vresbok here?

Good luck in finding interesting trees on your journeys!

Best regards


Maarten Windemuller, at 2014-06-22 13:19:48, edited at 2014-06-22 18:39:17, said:
Hei Rayn,

Not yet, coming soon. 2013 we visited two in Northern Ireland and 2009 one in Germany (MT 13135). Hannover (MT 3409) is on the list. See also Suntelbuche on de.wikipedia site.

Best whishes, Maarten

Maarten Windemuller, at 2014-11-20 23:14:31, edited at 2014-11-20 23:21:21, said:

I see some of the trees you registered are near Gävle. Is it possible you maybe register the apple tree when you come in that area? I read the tree is still standing and 24/7 watched.

There is also facebook page: where I can follow this case and find sometimes links to newsfacts like this one.

Kind regards,


Rayn, at 2014-11-26 18:31:43, said:
It's a few hours away from me, but I'll try to give it a visit and take some photos but I can't say when, quite busy right now with work and familythings etc... Hopefully it will be left standing for a litle while longer...

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young, at 2014-11-26 15:34:20, said:

Hans Verbaandert, at 2014-11-26 01:29:52, said:
Tweestammig, beide zijde zichtbaar

xandru, at 2014-11-25 21:07:43, said:

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young, at 2014-11-25 15:43:03, edited at 2014-11-25 15:44:30, said:
the tree is so cool that i wish i had it

Conifers, at 2014-11-23 18:39:58, edited at 2014-11-23 18:40:30, said:
Abies forrestii or close relative.

Edit: Any cones near the top?

wwhiteside97, at 2014-11-23 18:43:24, said:
There are a few cones on the ends of the top branches.
Conifers, at 2014-11-23 18:48:08, said:
Can you get a pic, please! Also a pic of a shoot showing the underside would help. Thanks!
Conifers, at 2014-11-23 18:48:42, said:
Oh, and the sharper the focus, the better ;-)
wwhiteside97, at 2014-11-23 19:18:47, said:
I know!! :-) it was a bit windy when I was taking the picture!!
wwhiteside97, at 2014-11-23 22:28:11, said:
From memory I can't remember the cones being as thick as A. Forrestii but I will upload a picture of them.

wwhiteside97, at 2014-11-23 14:19:37, said:
It is a five needled pine.
Conifers, at 2014-11-23 18:32:56, said:
Could be any of several - Pinus armandii, P. ayacahuite, P. monticola, P. strobiformis, P. stylesii, P. veitchii, P. wallichiana, or a hybrid (white pines are notorious for hybridising!). Needs a cone for determination. A close macro of a more vigorous young shoot (to see if glabrous or pubescent) would also help.
wwhiteside97, at 2014-11-23 18:46:58, said:
Will upload a clearer picture soon, no cones yet as still a young tree... only about 8 - 10 metres.

Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-11-22 22:48:58, said:
This looks to be a Abies koreana

Greetings, Martin Tijdgat

wwhiteside97, at 2014-11-22 23:39:16, said:
Hello, thanks for this, I wasn't sure as the cones were at the very top of the tree.

Conifers, at 2014-11-23 00:27:51, said:
Not quite right for Abies koreana, looks more like Abies × arnoldiana (hybrid between Abies koreana and Abies veitchii) to me.

Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-11-23 00:51:42, said:

Thanks, that is a new one for me. How do you keep A. Koreana and A. X arnoldiana apart?

Conifers, at 2014-11-23 18:46:21, said:
The hybrid is of course intermediate between the parents. Leaf length / width ratio (A. koreana has shorter, broader needles, A. veitchii longer, slenderer needles), and the degree of white below (A. koreana more vivid white often covering the full width of the underside, A. veitchii less vivid white and usually in two bands with the green midrib showing easily) are the best features to look for.

Conifers, at 2014-11-23 18:34:12, said:
Sawara Cypress Chamaecyparis pisifera

Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-11-23 12:28:37, said:
Love this kind off fotograph. It shows the strenght of this tree and the use ( by children?). Thanks! Martin Tijdgat
wwhiteside97, at 2014-11-23 13:27:21, said:
Hi, yes it is a popular tree for children and for family photos too.

Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-11-22 22:43:05, said:

Wat een mooie foto, kleur, bastpatroon en een toefje groen; alles klopt.

Marc Meyer, at 2014-11-23 09:43:35, said:
Bedankt Martin!



GregorSamsa, at 2014-11-22 00:42:37, said:
The person is approximately 1.80m tall.

Die Person ist ca. 1,80m groß.

Alberto Cuervo Flores, at 2014-11-22 10:44:53, said:
I think it is "Populus Alba"
Conifers, at 2014-11-23 00:21:35, said:
Agree, Populus alba

They set fire on one of the best oaks in Europe!
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Jeroen Pater, at 2014-11-19 08:25:38, edited at 2014-11-19 08:32:54, said:
I just got the news today from my friend Krzysztof Borkowski from Poland that Chrobry oak has set on fire:,149851.html

I hope it will survive, but the pictures look very bad.

It is very sad news. The Chrobry oak is one of the most impressive oak trees in Europe. Why are people doing this!?



Jeroen Philippona, at 2014-11-19 23:51:47, edited at 2014-11-19 23:52:57, said:
Indeed very sad and incredible that people do this. This is indeed one of the most impressive oaks I have ever visited.

Jeroen Philippona

Stephen Verge, at 2014-11-20 08:13:10, said:
I'm afraid I'm in despair with the human race!

The heat involved is likely to have cooked the sapwood and cambium layer, I am not hopeful it will survive. The Sherwood Oak in Nottinghamshire was also set on fire in the past, but it has survived.

Jeroen Philippona, at 2014-11-20 20:15:47, edited at 2014-11-20 21:58:34, said:
Jeroen Pater and I visited this oak at a day in November 1999. At the same day we also visited the oak Napoleon in Zabor, somewhat more to the north-east, wich had a girth of even 10.45 m and was the biggest circumferenced oak of Poland at that time. It was also hollow and a few years later this oak also was set on fire. It survived, but the burning was repeated after a few years and the oak died.

The biggest girthed tree of the Netherlands, a hollow Sweet Chestnut (see Kastanjedal ) also was set on fire several times, the last time in 2005 and till now has survived.

So I hope Chrobry will stay alive as well.


Rainer Lippert, at 2014-11-20 21:12:06, said:

die Eiche in Hornoldendorf (Außenmauer des Ritterguts) wurde vor zwei Jahren auch in Brand gesetzt. Letztes Jahr hat es noch so ausgesehen, als ob sie es wohl nicht überlebt. In diesem Jahr, als ich dort war, hat sich wieder recht viel grün gezeigt. Und zwar an Ästen, die noch 2013 kahl waren. Sie scheint sich also zu erholen. Vielleicht schafft es ja diese Eiche hier auch so wie die in Hornoldendorf. Hoffen wir also mal.

Viele Grüße,


KoutaR, at 2014-11-20 22:57:55, said:
This may be a good reason not to publish record tree locations (though trees like the oak in question cannot be kept secret).

Jeroen Pater, at 2014-11-21 06:29:22, said:
I don't think keeping trees a secret is a good idea. They give Chrobry a value of 4.300000 (I think) zlotty. That is a lot of money. If the Chrobry oak is that expensive, why did they not put smoke and heat detectors inside.

I think a better solution is to some how close the gabs of a hollow tree, so nothing that can burn can get in. It won't work with all hollow trees, but I think it will work with a lot of them. I think is is very hard to burn a tree that has a trunk with no gabs.


Stephen Verge, at 2014-11-21 07:47:16, said:
Hello All

Yes Kouta I agree

Sadly keeping champion trees secret from the public is the only way to protect them from vandalism. But in this case the tree was so well known it was impossible. As I have said before, in the UK there are many rare plants, where location details are kept deliberately vague to ensure protection.

The recent climbing damage to the 66m Douglas fir in Scotland (not deliberate vandalism) I feel is a wake up call not to give exact location details for champion trees and giving the 'wider' general public this information is a risk to them. But recording and uploading them is perfectly acceptable on MT.

I hope those responsible are caught and prosecuted!

Lets hope the tree survives

Jeroen Philippona, at 2014-11-22 00:27:45, said:
Indeed this tree was to famous to hide it from the public. But, the other very big oak in Poland, called Napoleon at Zabor, was not well known, in fact it was a rather secret tree standing at a lonely place to be found only by insiders along a small sand road. It was set on fire very probable by local young boys and I suppose this also was the case with the Chrobry oak, like with the "Kabouterboom", the big Sweet Chestnut in Holland.

So I think most of these hollow old trees are more at risk from local young people than from people from elsewere.


Andrew Weber, at 2014-11-22 13:13:13, edited at 2014-11-22 13:27:23, said:
Moreover, in Poland many big trees, especially oaks, were set on fire, not only the biggest. I have seen in 2014 a few oaks with girth ranging from 6,5 to 8 metres that also suffered an arson and they usually grew in remote places.. So the largest trees should be preserved rather by fence, because cameras could be stolen indeed.. And it is a matter of local government that trees are conserved or 'unwanted', like here, Chrześcijanin (the Christian) Oak in Poland: street.

All in all, I hope that miracle will happen and Chrobry will survive, but it is horrible that someone wants to destroy peaceful monumental trees..

Best regards,


RedRob, at 2014-11-21 18:09:18, said:
The 42.5 metre Lime is superb, love the shape. The Chestnut almost looks like it is a weeping one. Any other tall trees here Owen, Sycamore, Sweet Chestnut, anything?

Have you been around here Stephen?

TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2014-11-21 21:23:18, said:
No. The only old (and tall) trees in the park here are the limes and sweet chestnuts. Common Lime also exceeds 40m nearby at Althorp and Castle Ashby parks - it likes the Jurassic limestone.

Stephen Verge, at 2014-11-22 11:22:24, said:
Hi Rob

No I have not visited here, about 70 miles North of me. Most of the locations I know are from Oxon southwards.

There are also some big Limes near me too.

stoneleighabbey, at 2014-11-22 09:52:11, said:
Beautiful Oak at Stoneleigh Abbey over 1000 years old

Stephen Verge, at 2014-11-13 08:02:59, said:
Hello Owen

Wow! This one escaped me on MT. I have been here several times and yes quite remarkable that trees of this size can be as big here as in Scotland or Wales, with only 900mm of rain! This tree may surpass the Douglas in Broadwood, Dunster?

Obviously the deeply weathered sandy brown earth soil type derived from the Lower Greensand has been a factor. A pity Southern England was not covered in Greensand as opposed to horrible chalk. There is something magical about this soil which I am interested in finding out about. Here in Oxon, Nuneham Courtenay also on Greensand grows big conifers with only 600mm of rain.

Big Western Hemlock too at Polecat.

I noticed the Sequoia had probably been hit by lightning above the cottage, presume this is the one Alan measured as 170' in his book? An overestimate perhaps?

Kind regards


TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2014-11-15 18:12:28, said:
Greensand is indeed the best soil in south-east England for tree-growth, and so many good tree sites are concentrated on it despite the tiny proportion of the country which it covers. I think the secret is that the grains are coarse enough to allow easy root-penetration but fine enough to be water-retentive. Soils washed down the from the Old Red Sandstone (Welsh Marches etc) and from ancient Scottish sandstone have just the same qualities. So, presumably, do loess soils in the Netherlands where trees can also grow very tall (without the benefits of much side-shelter from high hills as we have in England). Chalk is also much better than heavy clay, which covers so much of lowland England.

I have no idea how tall the Polecat Copse trees will grow. They are in a superbly sheltered spot and the two tallest have continued to produce long leaders through the 14 years I've known them, though they've lost their leaders once or twice and some others in the same line now have rough, bushy tops (but are still growing). Given the right soil, and shelter from dehydrating winds, Douglas don't seem to be troubled by drought or high summer temperatures. I don't know the local conditions for the 65m tree in the Massif Central of France but I would assume that summers there are hotter and drier than in Surrey.

That said, I suspect drought-stress rather than lightning for the loss of the top of the Giant Sequoia opposite Angle Cottage. Lightning would have been more likely to strike the higher tree-tops of the bank to the west. In 1995 we had a very dry summer near my home in Hastings and many of the taller Giant Sequoias died back a few metres (and have now recovered but rounded off).

Stephen Verge, at 2014-11-16 09:46:03, said:
Hello Owen

Thanks. Yes I think the secret with Lower Greensand is the ability for trees to extract soil water much more easily due to the pores and matrix of the soil, coupled with a moderately acid ph and reasonable fertility. On a clay soil water holding capacity is obviously greater, but trees cannot extract it as well as on say Greensand due to the pores and soil matrix unfavorable for tree root growth and penetration. Subsequent capillary action of soil water through the soil is much better on Greensand. As it is a soft sandstone is must have weathered deeply as well. It also probably has no root depth restriction caused by an iron pan, which is frequent on acid sandy soils.

Ulmus and Quercus robur as an opposite example seems to love surface water gleys on clay vales.

It appears to me that Giant Sequoia much prefers sandy soils and the Bagshot Sand near my locality at Crowthorne and also at the Valley Gardens Near Windsor as you know grow big trees, despite only 600mm of rain, some 300mm less than at Polecat. Also Giant Sequoia and Douglas are adapted to grow on sandy well drained soils in their native habitat so it is no surprise.

The tree at Angle Cottage lost many metres due to crown dieback which I think is most likely lightning. Yes I have also seen Giant Sequoia die back due to drought, but I know that when lightning strikes Sequoias it often rarely leaves a scar on the trunk, possibly due to the insulation properties of the bark, however it sometimes does and I have seen trees blown apart in the most extreme examples. I know that Beech rarely leaves a scar and yet oak is badly affected. A difficult question and needs more research.

I know that the Massif Central is the wettest place in France with up to 2000mm, but one has to remember that with higher temperatures the evapotranspiration and summer soil moisture defict would be greater than at Polecat, so perhaps only the available rainfall/soil water there will be only slightly greater?

Windspeed is much less in Surrey than in Somerset, so perhaps they will grow to 60m+ at Polecat.



Conifers, at 2014-11-16 10:00:51, said:
"Giant Sequoia ... and I have seen trees blown apart in the most extreme examples"

See for an example!

Stephen Verge, at 2014-11-16 10:08:21, said:
Thanks Conifers

BANG!!! Wow that is an example, I have seen oak trees like this also.

RedRob, at 2014-11-17 18:22:13, edited at 2014-11-17 18:23:52, said:
Only visited this location once, 2011 and wish that I had had the laser then. Thank you for registering this Owen, it needed to be on here.

Is the Sequoiadendron near the cottage, here called 'King Kong' still likely to be 51 metres which you measured, assessed it as a few years ago or will it have added some height? I remember looking at this tree from angles and it would have been difficult to see the top and bottom to measure it. The Coast Redwood in the photo above is one at the top of the hill near the old big house but there is a taller one I am sure, immediately on the hillside above the 51 metre 'King Kong' Seqy. I took photos on an old mobile phone and have not been able to get the photos off it as don't have Bluetooth on my laptop. They would be 1.5MP photos so may not be that great. Anyway, this Coast Redwood looked pretty tall, slim and surely 40 metres plus. There is/was also a conifer plantation just the west of the 59 metre Douglas Fir grove, if I remember Larch and Spruce, Sitka snd Norway, which looked pretty tall.

TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2014-11-18 19:48:11, said:
Near Angle Cottage at Polecat Copse, the Sequoiadendron that died back around 2005 was the taller but slenderer of a pair. I had measured it at 48m in 2000 but may have underestimated - Alan's 170' c.1990 was presumably a bit too high. The fatter tree beside it (the one in 'Redwood World' has preserved its tip and had grown to 51m by 2011, but I can't guarantee how accurate this was either. I shall return with the laser in due course.

RedRob, at 2014-11-21 18:16:54, said:
I was taken with how red the trunks were of the Douglas at Polecat, Sequoiadendron colour if not even more red, due to the drier air according to Owen.

Are the 44 metre Larches still there at the location in Surrey Owen?

TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2014-11-21 21:18:42, said:
I think 44m was Alan Mitchell's top height for the larches at Hascombe Hill in the 1980s. I visited in 2000 when I think I made one 43m. I plan to revisit sometime soon.

RedRob, at 2014-11-21 18:20:52, said:
A beauty Rainer, meant the tree but you as well no doubt (laughs) Is this the tallest outside of the USA? With reading the TROBI records can remember alot of champion heights for trees and locations now but not Colorado Blue Spruce? Will have to check. Quite a few of c20 metres in my area.

Rainer Lippert, at 2014-11-21 21:13:08, said:
Hallo RedRob,

ja, ein schöner Baum ist das. Ob das der höchste außerhalb den USA ist, kann ich auch nicht sagen. Aber vielleicht bekommst du es ja heraus.

Viele Grüße,


TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2014-11-21 21:17:20, said:
29m in Hampshire in 2006. This spruce prefers a cool continental climate.

RedRob, at 2014-11-21 18:06:02, edited at 2014-11-21 18:06:35, said:
Comparing this tree to this middle part of the Valley of the Seven Bridges

with a slightly larger girth, this Chestnut does not look 34 metres. Do you have any more recent recordings Owen?

RedRob, at 2014-11-21 18:11:40, edited at 2014-11-21 18:13:33, said:
Forgot to say Owen, someone that I know in Mansfield has a friend who works at the Thoresby Hall hotel and is going to check to see if that Sweet Chestnut is still there. Hope that he photographs it, haven't heard back yet.

ronkrabben, at 2014-11-21 15:22:45, said:
De bomenspecialisten konden het niet laten..

ronkrabben, at 2014-11-21 13:48:25, said:
De laatste loodjes van deze wel zeer oude boom, leeftijd 140 jaar

ronkrabben, at 2014-11-21 13:46:38, said:
Omtrek aan de voet van de stam 7,45 meter, op borsthoogte 5,75 meter

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ronkrabben, at 2014-11-21 13:39:30, said:
Woonplaatsen kloppen niet, er staat Groenlo, dit moet Oost Gelre zijn, Groenlo is onderdeel van Oost Gelre net als Lichtenvoorde en de kerkdorpen.

ps, waarom kan ik geen straat invoeren?

Tim, at 2014-11-20 19:22:32, said:
Hallo Marc,

Ik krijg zin om op reis te gaan als ik dit zie :)



Marc Meyer, at 2014-11-21 09:12:41, said:
Ja dat kan ik wel begrijpen... The call of the palm trees! ;-)

ReforestamosMexico1, at 2014-11-20 16:34:03, said:

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David van Iersel, at 2014-11-19 20:22:50, said:

Han van Meegeren, at 2014-11-19 21:40:22, said:

Ik heb het aangepast.

Gr van Han

Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-11-19 16:41:16, said:
Die Eucalyptussen zijn prachtig in Spanje. Jammer dat er fotografisch weinig eer valt te behalen met die vracht aan auto's er omheen.

turtle63, at 2014-11-18 08:40:26, said:
This is from a Postcard of my G.Grandmothers of this tree.

I am guessing it is from early 1905-1911 as this seems to be the time frame for these Postcards.

Looks pretty impressive even then.

I am pleased to see it is still existing after a Google search.

TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2014-11-18 19:57:54, said:
Thanks for adding this old picture.

I've added a measurement (from Elwes and Henry's book) from this same period and a few other historic measurements from the Tree Register, which show the tree growing away steadily. The growth-rate rather undermines the story that this tree dates right back to Bishop Gunning in the later 17th century, though it is possible that a heat-loving species would actually be adding girth faster today than in the 'little Ice Age'. (The two most recent girth measurements are misleading - I'm sure it's not started to grow that fast!)

turtle63, at 2014-11-18 23:24:52, said:
Thank you for that, I had a look and it looks like it's slowed down growing has it. It has lost some off the top too?

Looking at my Postcard it has lost some big branches off it as well.

I guess it has done well to survive this long, wonder how old it will get.

RedRob, at 2014-11-12 16:49:27, said:
This is a shame, B&I and European champion now ex champion. Did you put a message in Discussion about this Owen, I must have missed it if you did? Perhaps the top fell much more recently and the fallen wood was taken as firewood? A relative lived in Surrey and they had an open fire and used to go out regularly collecting firewood in the local woods, often taking a saw. With the high price of energy and fuel more and more people have been doing this.

RedRob, at 2014-11-12 16:52:29, said:
Busbridge Lakes

This one takes over as the tallest, did you take any photos of it Owen?

TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2014-11-15 18:14:07, said:
No, I visited Busbridge Lakes in pre-laser, pre-camera days and used a hypsometer made of flint. I must return. I'm moderately confident it is indeed 38 - 39m, if still intact.

RedRob, at 2014-11-17 18:33:44, said:
Hello Owen, looking forward to seeing the tree if it is still there and 38/39 metres. What is the next tallest after that, 36 metres I saw when checking on the Register. The trees in the location at Southwell, Nottinghamshire reported by Richard Goodrich were not 37 metres, 31 metres was the tallest in that location that I recorded with the laser and I could visibly see that it was the tallest. I didn't spot the reported 31 metre Hornbeams at the roadside but they will not be 31 metres if they are as the 31 metre Chestnut stood up higher than the other trees in the group. They could be perhaps 27 or 28 metres if they are there.

TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2014-11-18 19:43:27, said:
Yes, two 36m trees at Boughton House (Northants) this summer, one of which I added to this site. We can discout the old Humberside records.

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RedRob, at 2014-11-17 18:27:55, said:

Owen, 'Warhorse' was shown on BBC1 last night and in the opening sequences on the moors of Dartmoor, in the distance was a reservoir with some what looked like very tall dark conifer outlines in several places on the banks. I have checked and it was filmed at Burrator Reservoir. Have any tall trees been recorded here? The trees in the Geograph link look like Douglas Fir perhaps?

Stephen Verge, at 2014-11-18 08:01:29, said:
Hello Rob

I know that many larch here were infected with Phytophora ramrorum and had to be felled for bio security measures. Douglas though is fairly resistant unless under very heavy pressure from spores.

TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2014-11-18 19:42:16, said:
I did walk through the woods around the Burrator Reservoir in 2006. There was a Sitka Spruce plantation with trees reaching 40m. I didn't see any notable Douglas Firs. This is on the south-westerly, exposed side of Dartmoor, so I wouldn't expect anything to grow really tall - Sitka is probably the toughest in that situation.

Rainer Lippert, at 2014-11-15 20:58:44, said:

ist das nicht eher "Thuja plicata"?

Viele Grüße,


Conifers, at 2014-11-15 21:39:50, said:
Yes, Thuja plicata.
Rainer Lippert, at 2014-11-16 06:52:37, said:
Hallo Conifers,

danke für die Bestätigung. Die Thuja daneben wird dann wohl auch "Thuja plicata" sein?

Viele Grüße,


Conifers, at 2014-11-16 13:54:54, said:
Hallo Rainer,

Probably yes, T. occidentalis is almost never a large tree! Could you add a link to the tree you refer to, please ;-)

Rainer Lippert, at 2014-11-16 15:56:04, said:
Hallo Conifers,

hier ist der andere Baum: Western redcedar (Thuja plicata) '19892'

Viele Grüße,


Conifers, at 2014-11-16 16:38:59, said:
Danke! Yes, Thuja plicata is correct.
Rainer Lippert, at 2014-11-16 16:45:02, said:
Danke auch für die Bestätigung. Dann handelt es sich bei beiden Bäumen um Thuja plicata. Und mal wieder ein falsch angebrachtes Schild ;-)

Viele Grüße,


RedRob, at 2014-11-17 18:11:33, said:
Some very impressive trees at this location Rainer, one to visit for sure if anyone is ever this way.
Rainer Lippert, at 2014-11-17 18:30:23, said:
Hallo RedRob,

ja, da stehen einige interessante Bäume. Aktuell stehen dort von 6 Baumarten der jeweils höchste von Deutschland.

Viele Grüße,


RedRob, at 2014-11-17 18:08:21, edited at 2014-11-17 18:09:59, said:
Hello Jeroen, is this the Netherland's tallest tree now and likely to remain so or are there some possible challengers? From the distance photo the Douglas looks as if it has a really wide spread on the crown.

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Leo Goudzwaard, at 2014-11-13 11:35:45, said:
wow, this oak tree has been grafted twice!, and I have never seen this before.

Has anyone noticed this before on large trees?

The old Quercus coccinea trees in the Netherlands are usually grafted once and quite high on the stam, on Q. rubra or Q. palustris.

Double grafting has been common practice with fruit trees as apple, pear and Cydonia.

In Dutch the method is called "tussenstam"-method.

Great finding and good picture, Nardo!

TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2014-11-15 18:17:48, said:
I've only seen double-grafting of Pyrus salicifolia 'Pendula' and on what in Britain were sold as 'Sheraton' cherries. (Roots Prunus avium, trunk P. serrula, crown P. serrulata cv. They don't live long.) In SE England many older Quercus coccinea are also grafted on Q. rubra and I had assumed they were 'Splendens', a clone distributed by the Knap Hill Nursery in Surrey. They have bigger axillary tufts under the leaf vein-joints, almost like Q. palustris. I don't know whether the Knap Hill Nursery also distributed to the near Continent or if there was a similar clone sold there as grafts.

Conifers, at 2014-11-16 13:57:46, said:
I'm not sure it is double-grafted, it may just be a coincidence with the bark pattern on the burrs. The adjacent scarlet oak (Quercus coccinea) '19854' is clearly not double-grafted.

Conifers, at 2014-11-16 16:44:39, said:
I just looked at the tree on Google Street View, which shows it well from the other side. Only one graft line!

Jeroen Philippona, at 2014-11-16 09:34:09, said:
Hallo OKAnnette,

Leuk dat je een foto en gegevens van de Major Oak op deze website zet! Deze boom staat echter al enige jaren op een andere locatie op de website, nl hier: .

Het zou het beste zijn om je foto's en evt. andere gegevens op die pagina toe te voegen en de nieuwe pagina te verwijderen.

De omschrijving van een locatie is in Engeland vaak wat lastig, vandaar waarschijnlijk dat je de oudere pagina van de eik niet had gezien.

Vriendelijke groeten,

Jeroen Philippona

Rainer Lippert, at 2014-11-16 09:33:58, said:

ein toller Baum.

Handelt es sich hier um die gleiche Eiche:

Viele Grüße,


OKAnnette, at 2014-11-15 23:38:06, said:
Foto niet van mij maar van Phil Lockwood.

Zie artikel


Indrukwekkend mooi. Daar wordt je stil van.....

Rainer Lippert, at 2014-11-15 19:00:30, said:
Schöne Stimmung.

Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-11-14 17:41:14, said:
Hallo Leo en/of Jeroen.

Ik ben vandaag opnieuw langs geweest ij deze machtige platanen. Dat heb ik wel vaker gedaan, maar ik vond het steeds niet de moeite waard om ze te meten. Toen ik me realiseerde dat de laatste meting uit 2009 stamt, dacht ik dat ik deze bomen de eerste de beste keer dat ik in Amsterdam zou zijn, moest opmeten. Vandaag heb ik dat gedaan. Tot mijn spijt zijn de resultaten weer niet corresponderend met jullie eerdere metingen. De boom met de lage zijtak London plane (Platanus × hispanica) '1874'is volgens mijn metingen dunner dan de ander London plane (Platanus × hispanica) '1876'. Ik wil graag de juiste maten opvoeren. Kan het zijn dat jij/jullie destijds de metingen hebben verwisseld?

Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-11-14 19:43:41, said:

Ik heb een aantal oude foto's uit 2012 verwijderd. Ik denk dat het beeld daardoor helderder wordt met de nieuwe geüp

loade foto's.

Jeroen Philippona, at 2014-11-14 20:05:01, edited at 2014-11-14 20:12:05, said:
Hoi Wim,

In juni 2006 waren Leo en ik met hoofdstedelijk bomenconsulent Hans Kaljee bij de bomen en hebben ze gemeten, zie de foto met mij. Die meting staat echter niet op MT. De meting uit 2009 is van Leo, ik was daar niet bij. Als jij nu een andere boom als dikste meet, kan het zijn dat Leo foto en meting heeft verwisseld maar ik maak vaker vreemde groeispurts mee bij bomen die moeilijk zijn te verklaren.

Heb je overigens je eigen foto's verwijderd?


Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-11-14 20:11:40, said:
Hallo Jeroen,

Uiteraard heb ik alleen mijn eigen foto's verwijderd. Dank voor je opmerking over de groeispurt.


Leo Goudzwaard, at 2014-11-15 12:56:04, said:
hallo Wim, ze zijn allebei gegroeid maar de een meer dan de ander, dat kan best hoor, bovendien zijn beide metingen niet op exact dezelfde plaats uitgevoerd, omdat er geen stippen op de stam staan.

Goed dat je ze gemeten hebt, dit levert op termijn veel groeigegevens van monumentale bomen op.


Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-11-15 08:23:31, said:
What a tree!!

themoudie, at 2014-11-10 22:06:26, said:
Aye RedRob,

If the tree in question is the 'hairy' one left of centre, then from the image I am guessing that it is most likely a Sitka spruce (Picea sitchensis) that has developed a vigorous mass of epicormic shoots. Whether this is due to an increase in side light striking the trunk since thinning operations or a genetic malfunction I cannot discern from the image. I also can't discern the cones from the image. Is it possible to obtain close up images of the bark, needles, shoots and cones, as this would ease diagnosis?

Regards, themoudie

RedRob, at 2014-11-11 18:00:33, edited at 2014-11-11 18:03:38, said:
Hello Moudie, welcome to the forum (haven't noticed your name previously) Hope that you don't mind my asking, are you in Scotland or living in Scotland?

A previous discussion about this it was thought that it was another Douglas Fir, it is the tree clothed to the ground just to left of centre. There is a large grove of c50 metre Sitka Spruce about 200 metres to the left of this photo. I was so busy looking at the emergent tree two to the right of this tree which the laser measured as c55 metres, I should have noted what this tree was? At first with the dense narrow habit thought that it might be a Picea Abies that I had missed, if so it would be 49/50 metres as the tree 4 tips to it's right, Douglas Fir was 49.8 metres. If you click in the photo and then when the little magnifying glass comes up click again you can enlarge the photo.

themoudie, at 2014-11-12 01:23:16, said:
Aye RedRob,

Thank you for your welcome, and yes to both of your questions about Scotland. I have used the magnifying facility, but it produces a very pixelated image for me that doesn't aid diagnosis. I was thinking that it might be Serbian spruce (Picea omorika), but the apical growth rate I wouldn't have expected to keep pace with Sitka spruce (Picea sitchensis) or Douglas fir (Pseudotsuga menziesii). Hence my request for some detail, if poss.

Good health.

My regards, themoudie

RedRob, at 2014-11-12 17:34:09, said:
Hello Moudie

Are you involved with forestry or arboriculture? Are you in the Highlands or low lands? Whatever, you must live in striking distance of some magnificent trees of all descriptions.

I have added what photos I have of this tree at Dalby, I was so busy with the Douglas that I didn't go up to it. It was only when I later looked at the photos that it stuck out with it's very narrow habit with foliage to the base and quite heavy crop of cones whilst the surrounding Douglas appear to have none or very few. I should also have noted what the small blue conifer was, the track next to these trees is/was one of the best viewing areas for the old Lombard RAC Rally when it was held here years ago now.

themoudie, at 2014-11-14 21:39:13, said:
Aye RedRob,

Yes to both and Southern Highland boundary fault! ;¬) Aye, there are plenty to cuddle.

Thank you for posting the additional images of the trees in the vicinity of your first image. I can see why you are remarking upon the fully clothed tree and the shorter vigorous growing one with the blue green foliage. I suspect shelter, available nutrients and moisture along with the adjacency of the large trees are all contributing to it's form. It may even be the prodgeny of one of those older trees.

If I am fortunate to be in the vicinity of these trees I shall try to give them a look.

Regards, themoudie

Jeroen Philippona, at 2014-11-13 23:07:00, said:
Hallo Waldfotograf,

Dierer Eiche war schon lange auf diese Website:

Ich versuche die beide anmeldungen zusammen zu bringen.


Jeroen Philippona

Jeroen Philippona, at 2014-11-13 23:06:49, edited at 2014-11-13 23:07:37, said:
Hallo Waldfotograf,

Dieser Eiche war schon lange auf diese Website: Kirche

Ich versuche die beide anmeldungen zusammen zu bringen.


Jeroe Philippona

Stephen Verge, at 2014-11-13 08:14:16, said:

Dreaded health and safety gone mad I expect. If a danger why not fence it off from the public and let nature take its course!


MrGreen, at 2014-11-06 20:57:08, said:
Stephen Verge, at 2014-11-09 12:09:38, said:
Hi Owen

Not far from me.

Do you know about the tree next to the River Hamble at Hambleden in Bucks. It may be bigger than this. It appears H. Chestnut loves chalk stream's in valleys.

The Hambleden tree was 7.22m @ 0.5m x an estimated 25m in height measured by me in January 2000.



TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2014-11-09 21:21:01, said:
Yes, that could be even bigger by now. The record hadn't got through to the Tree Register. Is it in Hambleden village (ie the big house opposite the churchyard?
Stephen Verge, at 2014-11-10 08:01:38, said:

The tree is in a private garden about 50m south west across the road from Hambleden Church, in the village centre. With its roots in the Hamble Brook.

The trunk is very rectangular in shape due to the 3 massive limbs dividing at about 3m up. Horse Chestnut grows quite quickly here and may date back to only 1800-1830 as the Georgian house/gardens date back to roughly then. I had the opportunity to measure it when I worked on the tree back in 2000.

Tree trunk is not easily seen from the road as it is hidden from view by a fence. I only live 5 miles from it so will take picture and upload to MT when I have time.



Conifers, at 2014-11-10 15:56:16, said:
"The trunk is very rectangular in shape due to the 3 massive limbs dividing at about 3m up"

Given that the massive low branches influence the shape of the trunk at measuring height, shouldn't it be tagged as 'multistemmed'? I'd certainly think so.

RedRob, at 2014-11-11 18:11:34, said:
Hello Stephen, looking forward to seeing photos of all your trees eventually. Are there any really tall Horse Chestnuts in your area, perhaps challenging Arundel's 39 metre tree?

I must ask about one lot of trees, the suspense is killing me (laughs) Did you manage to get to the Elan Valley Douglas Firs, how tall? I have done photo measurements on Google Maps using the telephone box as a reference (being a complete nerd and even googling various telephone boxes to ascertain dimensions, heights), c40 metres is what I got but there is obvious distortion and fore-shortening on Google Maps cameras, for example the Waterloo Grove looks nothing from the road.

Stephen Verge, at 2014-11-12 08:03:24, said:
Hello Conifers

The tree has a very oval, almost elliptical trunk shape, but has a clear stem of 3m before dividing into 3 massive limbs. The quoted girth measurement @0.5m was the 'narrowest point' of the trunk and measuring any higher up the trunk, one would encounter buttressing and reaction wood. This would vastly inflate any girth measurement.

Kind Regards


Stephen Verge, at 2014-11-12 08:11:42, said:
Hello Rob

No need to measure anymore phone boxes! The Douglas in question I estimate was about 50m, nice trees of 90 years old, but nothing exceptional.

Some Horse Chestnuts could be 33-35m, in this chalk river valley where conditions appear optimum. However the leaf miner and bleeding canker is sadly having an effect on their health and future growth. Has the leaf miner reached you up in Yorkshire yet?

Having trouble with uploading pictures to my PC off my phone but hopefully You will see them soon!


Conifers, at 2014-11-12 08:31:19, said:
Hi Stephen - Thanks!

Yes, Cameraria ohridella has even been up here in Northumbs for 3 years now, and is starting to get common. No doubt its natural predators will catch up with it soon; it doesn't seem to be a big problem. The bleeding canker is likely a worse problem, though so far at least, it is rare up here.

Stephen Verge, at 2014-11-12 08:48:07, said:
Interesting conifers

Many Thanks

RedRob, at 2014-11-12 16:59:52, said:
below Anne Boleyn's seat in the water gardens of the Skell V

This was or must have been a superb speciman originally, got the chop a year or so ago. Cannot remember what the diagnosis was for it, Conifers?

RedRob, at 2014-11-12 17:03:22, edited at 2014-11-12 17:20:37, said:
Forge Valley, East Ayton

I hadn't looked but hadn't realised that you had added this one Owen, I tried to take a distance photo of it but not very successfully as it is rather hemmed in.

Just added my photo for this one, not the small tree nearest the camera but the bi tree behind. Quite difficult to ascertain where or which was the tallest shoot but recorded just below 34 metres with the laser for what I could hit. The ground surrounding it seems to be well paddled and bare so not sure how this will affect the tree in the long run.

RedRob, at 2014-11-12 17:09:26, said:
Hello Stephen, the Douglas at Elan certainly worth recording as current tallest recordest trees in mid/central Wales, Owen's 50 metre Grand Fir at Cefn Park near Cardiff being the tallest in South Wales.
RedRob, at 2014-11-12 17:12:19, said:
Hello Stephen, the Douglas at Elan certainly worth recording as current tallest recordest trees in mid/central Wales, Owen's 50 metre Grand Fir at Cefn Park near Cardiff being the tallest in South Wales.
RedRob, at 2014-11-12 17:14:30, said:
Hello Stephen, the Douglas at Elan certainly worth recording as current tallest recordest trees in mid/central Wales, Owen's 50 metre Grand Fir at Cefn Park near Cardiff being the tallest in South Wales.
RedRob, at 2014-11-12 17:15:42, said:
Using Internet Explorer the site sticking tonight, just swapped to Mozilla and now not having the problem.
Stephen Verge, at 2014-11-13 08:11:46, said:

Now I wished I had measured it. There must be taller trees in central Wales southwards?

Stephen Verge, at 2014-11-13 08:09:30, said:
Nice tree Rob

Amazing reaction wood where the tree forks to keep it all together.

themoudie, at 2014-11-10 22:24:16, said:
Aye Bess,

Might I suggest that this tree is a Bigleaf Linden, Broadleaf Lime, Large-leaf Lime, Large-leaved Linden (Tilia platyphyllos)? An alternative might be the Common Lime or Kaiser Linden (Tilia × europaea), but I think that the leaves on your 'Unknown' tree appear larger than those of the hybrid and the Small leaved lime (Tilia cordata). I like the image, promoting tree 'cuddling'. ;¬)

My regards, themoudie

Conifers, at 2014-11-10 23:53:30, said:
Common Lime for me.
Leo Goudzwaard, at 2014-11-11 08:28:51, said:
T. x europaea; the leaves are large probably due to regrowth after pruning one or more years ago
Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-11-11 14:14:32, said:
Hai Bess en collega's,

Ook ik herken eerder een Tilia x europaea in dan een Tilia platyphyllos.

Met vriendelijke groet,

Martin Tijdgat

themoudie, at 2014-11-12 01:13:30, said:
Morning All,

Local knowledge goes for (Tilia × europaea), so be it. ;¬)

Good health.

My regards, themoudie

Bess, at 2014-11-12 22:01:09, said:
Thanks all of you for the Lime-knowledge!

and yess… I do have tree cuddling friends! :-)

RedRob, at 2014-11-11 18:32:28, edited at 2014-11-11 18:34:21, said:
The site webpage link on the Elm conversation mentioned that Deodars could be 250 feet in their native habitat, surely there be some taller specimans than this somewhere in Europe, Germany, France (Sisley?) Would love to see some 50 metre specimans in Europe, likely?

I have just forgotten to update this tree, I measured it again in September (2014) and I could visibly see that the top was flatter, certainly when compared to my photos from 2013. I am pretty certain that it has lost it's top most branch, must have been in the severe winds of last winter as I couldn't get this height for it. Will look in my notes and update with new height which I just cannot recall exactly offhand.

Jeroen Philippona, at 2014-11-11 22:03:56, said:
I doubt if there are Deodars over 40 m in Europe, there seem to be no very old plantations of them.

In 1981 I have been in one of the locations with tall Deodar Cedars in the Indian Himalayas, in Manali. Probably those were taller than 40 m, but from my remembrance (I did not have any height measurement instrument at that time) I doubt if they were a lot above 50 m. Alas till now nobody seems to have measured them with reliable methods. Kouta and I once mailed that it would be nice to go there and to other locations in the Himalayas, but till now we did not make real plans.


RedRob, at 2014-11-12 17:43:07, said:
Hello Jeroen, lets hope that there are some giant specimans hidden somewhere and yet to be found? Perhaps Sisley has the best chance of finding some in hidden gullies somewhere in central France.

I have updated the measurement for this one, now 37.8-38 metres MT standard, 37.6 to the high side Tree Register standard. Will have to check if this is now still the tallest in B&I?

RedwoodMike, at 2014-11-12 11:03:52, said:
Nice! This tree is called "El Viejo Del Norte".

Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-09-29 15:48:19, said:
Very nice picture
Frank Gyssling, at 2014-11-06 17:50:38, said:
Sehr schöne Aufnahme. Ich hätte die linke Seite noch etwas beschnitten (Luftkabel).Damit würde auch die Sonne aus dem Zentrum rücken.

viele Grüße Frank

derWaldfotograf, at 2014-11-12 10:16:12, said:
Hallo Frank, Hallo Wim,

Danke für eure positiven Kommentare.

Eigentlich gehört der Baum auf die rechte Seite des Bildes.

Das war aber leider vom Standort aus nicht machbar. Darum meine Entscheidung das Bild so wie gesehen zu gestalten.

Ich wollte unbedingt den ganzen Baum in seiner Schönheit zeigen.

Ps. Antworten kann ich leider nur auf Deutsch.



Conifers, at 2014-11-09 09:35:52, said:
Any information on why it died? Too much building in the root zone would be my guess.
Rainer Lippert, at 2014-11-09 09:47:03, said:
Hallo Conifers,

in der Mammutbaumcommunity,3329.msg66958.html#msg66958) haben wir auch schon über diesen Baum gesprochen. Anhand von Satellitenaufnahmen entstanden da in den letzten Jahren mehrere bauliche Veränderungen. Auf Bildern von 2009 sind Gebäude noch nicht zu sehen, die aktuell dort sind.

Viele Grüße,


Stephen Verge, at 2014-11-09 12:00:06, said:

Possibly lightning or more likely Armilaria mellea or Heterobasidion annosum or good old Homo sapiens?

Rainer Lippert, at 2014-11-10 21:24:54, said:
Hallo Stephen,

also ich denke es hat mit den baulichen Veränderungen im Umfeld zu tun. Also mal wieder der Mensch daran schuld.

Viele Grüße,


Stephen Verge, at 2014-11-12 08:15:31, said:
Hallo Rainer

Sorry I do not speak German! Can you translate so I can reply?


Conifers, at 2014-11-12 08:26:40, said:
Hi Stephen,

Google translator says:

"So I think it has to do with the structural changes in the environment. So once again the man to blame"

Stephen Verge, at 2014-11-12 08:44:03, said:
Thanks for that Conifers


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