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Ive Verachtert, at 2014-07-31 12:25:53, said:
31 juli 2014

Stamomtrek : 16 cm.

Kroon : 90 cm.

Hoogte : 1,65 m.

Leo Goudzwaard, at 2014-07-31 19:28:09, said:
beste Ive,

deze boom hoort nog niet thuis op MT. Er zijn vast wel oudere en mooiere bomen in je omgeving te vinden.


start58now, at 2014-07-29 20:59:58, said:
Look at much growth is at the one side of the tree - or so it seems.

G Huber

Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-07-30 12:20:34, said:
Yes the tree has bended sidewards. There are some big Holm Oaks next to it, so the tree bended to the direction where there is more room.
start58now, at 2014-07-30 12:25:38, said:
But the extreme growth to the one side is very unusual - I wonder if the tree did lose some significant branches at its right.

No matter - it is a great tree.

Greg Huber


start58now, at 2014-07-29 21:12:23, said:
This is a very beautifully formed tree.

G Huber

Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-07-30 12:18:57, said:
Agree. This is how I like them.

start58now, at 2014-07-29 21:26:05, said:
So lucky are they.

GDH


start58now, at 2014-07-29 21:18:16, said:
Look at the amazing base of this tree.

G Huber


Scholem Alejchem, at 2013-02-06 11:08:37, said:
Na Bumm!

Geführte Wanderung?

Acerus, at 2013-02-06 15:00:00, said:
Auf eigene faust-wanderung^^
Scholem Alejchem, at 2013-02-06 17:07:55, said:
Mutig, aber...
start58now, at 2014-07-29 21:17:21, said:
Learned about sessile oaks many years and here is a wonderful example.

G Huber


KoutaR, at 2012-10-25 06:02:18, said:
Hi MColombari1,

Thank you for adding these trees to MT! According to the coordinates this tree seems to be located in Prašnik Special Reserve: http://www.monumentaltrees.com/en/hrv/centraleastern/brodposavina/4244_forest/

Is that right?

According to Wikipedia, Novi Varoš and Okučani are located in Brod-Posavina County, not in Sisak-Moslavina County. Do you agree?

http://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novi_Varo%C5%A1 http://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oku%C4%8Dani

Kouta

MColombari1, at 2012-10-25 07:03:47, said:
yes it is in Prasnik special reserv. And i'm wrong, okucani are located in brod-posavina.

Sorry and tank you.

Massimo

start58now, at 2014-07-29 21:15:18, said:
An unusual named oak tree but a very good one.

G HUber


Maarten Windemuller, at 2011-04-20 20:28:49, said:
Bij een Thuja plicata heb ik een heel ander beeld, zie http://www.muenster.org/na-tour-denkmal/images/stories/fotos/UKTour2/2009_Stourhead-thuja.jpg.

De blaadjes aan deze boom doen uit de verte een beetje denken aan Nothofagus moorei (?).

Maarten

Tim B, at 2011-04-25 21:23:00, said:
Inderdaad, zo zag ik ze ook lange tijd. Deze boom staat echter onder meer in het boek "Forest Giants of the Pacific Coast" van de fanatieke boommeter Robert Van Pelt als een Western Redcedar. De kans is quasi onbestaande dat hij zich vergist van soort. In het boek staat ook dit: "Even though this gnarliest of cedars is only partly alive, it provides support for a whole aerial garden -- including two full-size hemlock trees." Misschien zijn de blaadjes die zichtbaar zijn niet van de boom in kwestie.

Groeten,

Tim

Maarten Windemuller, at 2011-04-25 22:16:01, said:
Dat laatste moet dan het geval zijn. Misschien zelf maar een keer gaan kijken.

groet,

Maarten

start58now, at 2014-07-29 21:13:28, said:
Sweet young girl in front of a very sweet tree.

G Huber


start58now, at 2014-07-29 21:07:32, said:
Look at the big horizontal limbs of this oak tree. We have several of these trees with such limb growth orientations.

G Huber


start58now, at 2014-07-29 21:05:39, said:
Finally we get to see some of the view in the Grove of Titans

I am honored for certain.

G Huber


start58now, at 2014-07-29 21:01:50, said:
May the biggest and best of Sugar pines last a very long time.

G Huber


Tim B, at 2012-09-29 07:41:27, said:
That's an amazing shot! Thanks and welcome at the site, Milan.

Kind regards,

Tim

milan, at 2012-09-29 09:03:17, said:
Thank you Tim.
start58now, at 2014-07-29 20:56:10, said:
Great oak - may it last another 200 years. I wonder how may feet in DBH is it.

G Huber


start58now, at 2014-07-29 20:53:30, said:
God bless that you found and measured this great tree - G Huber

Srtorralba, at 2014-07-29 17:39:48, said:
En mis visitas a Vilanova siempre había oído comentar que la "Olivera d'en Jeroni" era la más grande del término municipal y creo que el Olivar de Olzina debe ser el que después por herencia (?) debió ser propiedad de Jerónimo Valls Olzina y el "camí de l'Olivera d'en Jeroni" es citado en un folleto turístico de la Comunidad valenciana destinado a la ruta "Vilanova - Mas de Calaf" lo que me hace pensar que dicho olivar se encontraba en una finca llamada la "Covantoll".

Sé que pocos datos aporto pero, me gustaría contrastar la información que tienen fotógrafo y redactor para intentar reconstruir lo más real de esta historia.

Por lo que deduzco que el olivo desapareció durant la época de los años 70 del pasado siglo



j1g2a3n4d5e6r, at 2014-07-28 15:43:02, said:
This church and the yew tree are in the county of Sussex not Surrey. I wish you would amend your records as the facts are incorrect

WiPe, at 2014-07-28 17:30:15, edited at 2014-07-29 09:11:12, said:
It appears to me that this record is correct. Can it be possible that you have been confusing Crowhurst, Surrey St. Georges' church and Crowhurst, East Sussex parish churchyard?

j1g2a3n4d5e6r, at 2014-07-29 16:16:14, said:
I do apologise for my error. Having recently visited the parish church in Crowhurst East Sussex & seen the magnificent oak tree I though that was the one you were referring to. I am amazed that there are 2 churches & villages with the same names & such old oak trees. Once again I am sorry if I have caused confusion but many thanks for your prompt reply.

Jean



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j1g2a3n4d5e6r, at 2014-07-29 16:11:30, said:
Many apologies. I have just visited the Parish Church in Crowhurst East Sussex & had seen the magnificent oak tree. I mistakenly thought that was the one you were referring to. Amazing that there should be 2 churches & villages with such magnificent old trees with the same name. Once again I am sorry to have sent the wrong information but many thanks for replying to me.

Jean



Tiziano Rootman Fratus, at 2014-07-29 07:12:15, said:
A Tree Seeker with Twin Sequoia Tree, the largest coastal sequoia specimen in Italy.

Tiziano Rootman Fratus, at 2014-07-29 07:08:59, said:
The Monumentality of Twin Sequoia Tree, heart of Little California Wood.

Sly, at 2014-07-28 16:38:36, said:
Bonjour,

Je suis graphiste et suis en train de réaliser des panneaux didactiques pour un sentier dans le Jura Suisse. Un de ces panneaux est consacré au chêne et nous aimerions utiliser une de vos images du chêne des bosses. Celle où on le voit en entier. La photo est de Jeroen Philippona. Est-ce que ce serait envisageable et sous quelles conditions?

Nous aimerions finaliser ces panneaux pendant ce mois d'août.

Merci d'avance pour votre réponse.

Meilleures salutations

Sylvain Bruschweiler

s.bruschweiler@gmail.com

s.bruschweiler@yahoo.fr



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Tim, at 2014-07-27 10:46:37, said:
Hello Rumpala,

thanks for uploading so many great pictures of great trees!

Most of the images however are not linked to the specific tree that is shown in the image, so the species is not shown on the image pages. This is probably because you did not select the option "Specific tree", but selected "Certain location without a specific tree visible".

Would it be possible to select "Specific tree" when uploading future images?

Keep up the good work :)

Kind regards and thanks,

Tim



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Tim, at 2014-07-27 10:21:05, said:
Hi,

it is now also possible to add trees in Norway.

For all those who sent me a mail or mails, I just came back from holidays and will need some time to work through these, so please be patient.

Kind regards,

Tim



Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-07-25 16:36:46, said:
Prachtig plaatje Maarten! dikke 5
Maarten Windemuller, at 2014-07-25 17:12:08, edited at 2014-07-25 17:12:43, said:
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Maarten Windemuller, at 2014-07-25 17:12:17, edited at 2014-07-25 17:12:55, said:
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Maarten Windemuller, at 2014-07-25 17:12:22, said:
Heb dank, het was een ook feest om de boom te vinden. Wat een beauty.
Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-07-25 21:47:23, said:
Maarten,

Kan het zijn dat dit de cv. Serotina de Selys is? Het opgaande karakter lijkt sterk op de Selysen die in Amstelveen staan op de Lindenlaan (Montesorrischoolplein)

Leo Goudzwaard, at 2014-07-26 05:37:00, said:
Dat zou goed kunnen. Er staat ook een groot exemplaar van op de parkeerplaats van Arboretum Kalmthout, zie foto en beschrijving van deze cv in mijn boek Loofbomen in NL en VL. De bladvorm op de foto van Maarten klopt ook.
Maarten Windemuller, at 2014-07-26 14:40:08, said:
Leo, Martin; thanks for suggestion. I uploaded another foto with detail of twig and leave. I will change the name if you are sure. What I found on Internet pictures it is the form that is making the clear difference between this subspecies and other subspecies of x canadensis. Are there other differences?
Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-07-26 20:28:13, said:
Maarten,

Je zegt het; de vorm is zo duidelijk afwijkend en kenmerkend voor Serotina de Selys. Jongere exemplaren kunnen oppervlakkig worden verward met Italiaanse populieren. Maar ronde wortelaanzetten, ronde stammen en takken en de bast zijn zo afwijkend. Zie boek Leo voor detailkenmerken twijg en blad.

Maarten Windemuller, at 2014-07-26 21:49:36, said:
Martin, ik heb wat oude foto's en ansichtkaarten opgezocht uit die omgeving, stuur ik je strks per mail toe.

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ats, at 2014-07-25 20:53:45, said:
Hi anyone or Francis,

Please advise what kind and where to find a Rootstock or compatible kind for Durian grafting.

Thank you very much.

My contact: info@atsats.com

Regards,

Paul



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ats, at 2014-07-25 20:50:41, said:
Hi anyone or Francis,

Please advise what kind and where to find a Rootstock or compatible kind for Durian grafting.

Thank you very much.

My contact: info@atsats.com

Regards,

Paul



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ats, at 2014-07-25 20:48:36, said:
Hi Francis or anyone,

This brief note serves as a request if anyone knows or Mr. Francis Chung receives.

What kind and where to find (to buy) a Rootstock (or compatible) for Durian grafting. I have MongThon tree from Thailand.

Thank you very much

info@atsats.com

Paul



Conifers, at 2014-07-12 22:43:45, said:
This isn't Malus sieversii - that is the direct ancestor of orchard apples, and has much larger fruit (see e.g. here).

Could be a Malus × purpurea cultivar. Maybe a case of labels swapped by vandals?

Rayn, at 2014-07-13 06:57:39, said:
Without knowledge about cultivars, but I bet it's hard to find larger fruit in june in Sweden... Maybe in august/september?
Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-07-13 07:23:40, said:
Maarten, Conifers and Rayn,

This Malus-cultivar looks to be M. 'Hopa', if I compare the color and shape of the fruits.

Maarten Windemuller, at 2014-07-13 08:51:49, edited at 2014-07-13 10:43:33, said:
Thanks for the comments. The shield at the tree might be a 'student joke' or some mistake which has not yet been noted. I'll contact the management of the garden if they are sure about the name.
Conifers, at 2014-07-23 20:13:31, said:
Hi Maarten - thanks for the extra info on this! Interestingly (for my comment above) Malus 'Niedzwetzkyana' is one of the parents of Malus × purpurea (so I wasn't so far out, either! ;-)

According to W J Bean, 'Niedzwetzkyana' is not much grown now due to its susceptibility to apple scab disease.

Maarten Windemuller, at 2014-07-23 22:26:33, said:
Hei Conifers, Thank you too, pleasure to find out things, LifeLongLearning.
Conifers, at 2014-07-25 18:20:41, said:
Hi Maarten - I've just noticed that MT already has an entry for Malus niedzwetskyana (as a species). I'd guess best transfer this tree there, until Tim can sort out the name fully.
Maarten Windemuller, at 2014-07-25 19:15:05, said:
Conifers, Thanks, I changed it.

Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-07-25 16:32:36, said:
mooi

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loonen48, at 2014-05-16 18:37:28, said:
Als ik een foto wil gebruiken voor een publicatie, hoe zit het dan met de licentie?

Maria


Leo Goudzwaard, at 2014-05-17 15:35:23, said:
De foto's op MT zijn en blijven eigendom van de fotograaf. Je moet dus altijd eerst toestemming aan de eigenaar van de foto vragen, Leo

loonen48, at 2014-07-24 19:24:31, said:
Streekmuseum Lingewaard gaat een boekje uitgeven over de 1000-jarige eik bij kasteel de Doornenburg. Het boekje is geschreven door Denis Schils. In het boekje worden o.a. vergelijkingen gemaakt met andere oude eiken waaronder de kroezeboom in Ruurlo. Wij zouden als illustratie graag de foto gebruiken van Leo Goudzwaard. Streekmuseum Lingewaard is een stichting die geen structurele subsidie ontvangt. Wij vragen projectsubsidies aan als wij iets willen uitgeven. We maken ook geen winst. Het zou dan ook geweldig zijn als u, Leo Goudzwaard, de foto gratis ter beschikking zou willen stellen. Nog mooier zou zijn als u daarvan een groter bestand zou kunnen leveren dan zo van internet te halen is.

Ik wacht uw antwoord af,

Met vriendelijke groet, Maria Loonen, streekmuseum Lingewaard.


loonen48, at 2014-07-24 19:25:46, said:
Ter aanvulling: mijn mailadres is: maria.loonen@planet.nl


European beech at Trollskog in Torna Hällestad, Dalby, Sweden
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Conifers, at 2014-07-23 20:21:37, said:
A technical point: as these trees are seed-grown (self-sown), they are Fagus sylvatica f. tortuosa, and not the cultivar 'Suenteliensis', which to be true to name can only be propagated clonally by grafting.

Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-07-23 22:03:10, edited at 2014-07-23 22:04:25, said:
Conifers,

Thanks for this. You are absolutely right; this is the naturaly occuring forma tortuosa. I had the same type of discussion with Fagus sylvatica 'Asplenifolia'.or 'Laciniata'. This leafform also occurs naturaly and has been grafted under a few different names.


Maarten Windemuller, at 2014-07-23 22:17:54, edited at 2014-07-24 08:50:18, said:
Thanks, that's true, it's not a clone. I changed name. New problem: I cannot get a small "f" before tortuosa. The system automatically generates a capital F. Will ask Tim to change it. But what must we think about the oak, MT nr. 18706? :)


Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-07-22 16:02:27, said:
Nieuws over deze boom. Ik weet niet of dit tot tevredenheid moet stemmen, maar....

http://boomzorg.nl/nieuws.asp?id=19-10019

Oordeel zelf


Maarten Windemuller, at 2014-07-22 19:55:13, said:
Wim,

Ik las het artikel vanmiddag en vroeg me af of het dezelfde boom was waar jij enige tijd geleden melding van maakte ihk van dijkverzwaring & bomen. Gezien de foto bij het artikel leek het me een heel andere boom.

Groet, Maarten


Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-07-23 08:36:14, said:
Hallo Maarten,

In eerste instantie dacht ik het zelfde, maar ik ben de rivier op die plek een flink stuk langs gefietst. Er staat geen andere monumentale boom, dus hij moet het wel zijn. (Ik kan het artikel overigens niet meer terugvinden)

Groet

WIm


Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-07-23 08:38:44, said:
Ik kon het artikel weer vinden. Volgens mij is er een foute (wellicht willekeurige) foto gebruikt.

Wim


Maarten Windemuller, at 2014-07-23 09:57:45, said:
Aan het huisnummer te zien wel dezelfde boom:http://goo.gl/Lh6V06. Slordig van de redactie van het gisteren aangehaalde artikel om daar een willekeurige foto bij te zetten. Zijn we op deze site niet gewend.


Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-07-18 22:19:47, said:
sorry voor de slechte fotokwaliteit, maar te belangrijk om niet te noemen. Op deze mammoet trof ik de coloradokever aan. De kever die bezig is met het vernietigen van een boom in de Ardennen, waar ik eerder aandacht voor vroeg. Boom in Waulsort. giant sequoia (Sequoiadendron giganteum) '17403'
Conifers, at 2014-07-19 10:11:55, said:
Hi Wim - this is Pyrrhocoris apterus. Not dangerous to trees, and not the beetle Leptinotarsa decemlineata which damages potato crops.
Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-07-20 08:10:41, said:
Wim,

Als ik je foto bekijk dan zie ik een vuurwants. Dat is een sapzuiger en vrij onschadelijk. In Loosdrecht al meermalena in grote groepen aangetroffen op Amerikaanse linde.

Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-07-23 08:40:12, said:
Thanks Martin en Conifers.

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Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-07-22 16:17:40, said:
Hi allen,

Ik wil jullie graag deelgenoot maken van een leuke ervaring. Een kennis van me, directeur bij de Tu Delft, heeft recent mij met mijn werk voor monumentale bomen, met name voor monumentaltrees en voor de Bomenstichting, voorgedragen als kandidaat voor de monumentenprijs Wassenaar 2014. Inmiddels heb ik een uitslag van de werkgroep die advies uitbrengt aan B&W. Ik ben genomineerd (als één van de drie). Binnenkort ga ik met wat mensen langs plekjes en bomen die ik ihkv monumentale bomen belangrijk vindt. Er zal hier uiteraard in de pers aandacht aan worden besteed. Op monumentendag (2e weekend van september) wordt de winnaar bekend gemaakt. Of ik nou win of niet ,maakt me niet zo veel uit. Wel vind ik het leuk om monumentale bomen onder de aandacht te brengen van een groot publiek. Jullie horen nog van me.

Wim Brinkerink


Bess, at 2014-07-22 18:21:09, said:
Dat is heel erg leuk! Veel succes!!


elisa45at, at 2014-03-15 18:58:32, edited at 2014-03-15 19:00:53, said:
Der Baum 16510 steht teilweise auf meinem Privatgründstück. Ich finde es irgendwie eigenartig, dass dieser Baum am 10. Februar fotogfiert wird und ich wenig später eine Aufforderung von der Straßenmeisterei erhalte, dass der Baum möglicherweise umgeschnitten gehört. Da könnte man fast meinen, es will jemand den Baum kaufen. Schreckt die menschliche Gier vor nichts mehr zurück. In China werden solche Bäume geschützt, da man denkt, es wohnten die Ahnen darin. Das Holz dieses Baumes ist ziemlich viel wert. Ironie: Ich soll das Umschneiden dieses Naturdenkmals bezahlen!!!

Kann man nur hoffen, dass die Geschäftemacher die Seelen der gefällten Bäume bis in ihre Träume verfolgen.Ich bin empört! Danke auf alle Fälle für die tollen Fotos.

Scholem Alejchem, at 2014-03-16 12:52:16, said:
Was hat die Strassenmeisterei dort verloren, ich denke, der steht auf NP-Gebiet.
elisa45at, at 2014-03-16 13:07:09, said:
Hallo Alejchem,

leider ist das nicht so. Es wird behauptet, der Baum gehört zu zwei Drittel mir, das restliche Drittel der Straße, also dem Land Niederösterreich.

Ich danke dir jedenfalls recht herzlich für das Foto und hoffe, der Baum ist noch zu retten.

Mir wäre am leibsten, dass der Parkplatz gesperrt wird und der Wanderweg 7, bis Klarheit geschaffen ist, was mit dem Baum weiter passiert. Wenn ihr Zeit habt kommt morgen 17.3. um 11 Uhr zum Baum, da gibt es eine Besprechung mit Straßenmeisterei und Oberförster. Ihr könnt das alles gerne hier mit Fotos dokumentieren. Der Baum soll gestutz werden, da gehören aus meiner Sicht ein Landschaftsplaner und Baumdoktor her, nicht ein Straßenmeister. Da der Baum zwei Drittel mir gehört, verbiete ich einfach ihn umzuschneiden, basta, und vor allem ihn irgendwie zurecht zu stutzen. Danke, dass du dich gleich gemeldet hast.

Scholem Alejchem, at 2014-03-16 14:33:23, said:
Ich hab leider derzeit kaum Zeit, aber ein Tipp,.alle Anwesenden fotografieren, damit sich keiner rausreden kann, falls Schwachsinn Methode wird.
elisa45at, at 2014-03-16 15:45:14, said:
Ich versuche jetzt die Republik wegen Verstoß gegen das Naturschutzgesetz § 5 zu klagen. Der Baum war als Naturdenkmal geschützt und er wurde plötzlich von heute auf morgen zum Nicht-Naturdenkmal erklärt. Ich farge mich, wei das bei einem solchen Baum geht.

Damit zeigt die republik, dass sie vom Aussterben bedrohte Arten nicht schützt, da sie sie nicht pflegt, wie es notwendig wäre.

Dafür bekommt sie ja von der Eu Fördergeld.

Scholem Alejchem, at 2014-03-16 20:12:01, said:
Ich schätze Mal, daß da die gleichen Brucker Hansln verantwortlich sind, wie beim Aukönig und bei den Leitha-Auen-Abholzungen. Von der Größe her schätz ich Mal, daß er so 120-150 Jahre alt sein wird und eine der letzten gesunden Schwarzpappeln. Wozu also das ganze dienen soll, nur weil ein paar Deppen hinten gezündelt haben, fällt so ein Baum nicht wirklich um.
elisa45at, at 2014-03-18 07:39:44, said:
Laut Aussagen der Straßenmeisterei stellt der Baum ein Gefahr dar.

Ich bin mir da nicht so sicher. Hast du Erfahrungswerte mit alten Bäumen? Was sagst du zu dem Fall? Du hast den Baum ja gesehen.

Er ist unten am Stamm schon ziemkich düeftig, aber schließlich wird ein Baum ja auch von Wurzeln gehalten und oben ist er ziemlich grün.

elisa45at, at 2014-07-21 21:11:43, said:
Hier findet ihr meinen Blog zur Vernichtung der hier abgebildteten Pappel im Februar. http://urwaldnachrichten.wordpress.com/
Scholem Alejchem, at 2014-07-22 09:02:23, edited at 2014-07-22 09:04:12, said:
Danke

Ich habs in die Baumbeschreibung übernommen.

Vielleicht sollte man den Zuständigen mal mit den Geräten durch den Vorgarten fahren, obwohl durchs Haus wäre eher angebracht.....


Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-07-22 05:38:54, said:
ETT2009,

This tree is not a grey poplar, but a Canada poplar. Please can you change this?



Conifers, at 2014-07-21 21:40:57, said:
Populus × canadensis (I'm guessing a drop-down box data entry error?)
Han van Meegeren, at 2014-07-21 21:47:10, said:
I don't understand this message Conifers. Only I think this is a canadensis.

Han

Conifers, at 2014-07-21 22:07:24, said:
Hi Han - I mean that when entering the species name, you click on a drop-down menu, and it is easy to hit the name above or below by accident.
Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-07-22 00:17:49, said:
Hai Han,

Dit is geen grauwe abeel (P. x canescens), maar een Canadese populier (P. x canadensis). Pas jij de naam aan?

Han van Meegeren, at 2014-07-22 05:30:08, said:
Hi Conifers and Martin

I didn't register this tree. I only put some photo's of it. I don 't like to change otherone's registered trees.

Greetings Han


agnetanaus, at 2014-07-21 08:21:50, said:
Prachtig!
Han van Meegeren, at 2014-07-21 10:47:59, said:
Fraaie tuin hebben jullie Agneta. Met een groet van 'bomenliefhebber' Han van Meegeren

Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-07-19 14:57:28, said:
Hi Nardo,

Volgens mij heb jij deze bomen gepost. Volgens mijn informatie is het echter geen grondgebied van Schin op Geul maar van Valkenburg. Dat maak ik in ieder geval op uit Wikipedia en het staat ook aangegeven in deel zuid van de "Gids voor de Nederlandse tuin- en landschapsarchitectuur. " Ben je het eens en zoja vind je het goed dat ik het verander of wil dat zelf doen. Het lijkt me ook goed om het gebied van het kasteel wat preciezer te splitsen. De Thuja staat formeel op een deel van het kasteelpark, genoemd Sjloensheim. (Formeel adres; Oud Valkenburg 1)De molen en het heempark vormen één geheel en dat bestaat sinds 1950. Het wordt gerund door vrijwilligers van het IVN


Conifers, at 2014-07-19 21:45:27, said:
Hi Nardo, Wim - on the subject of the Thuja, I am still pretty sure this is T. plicata, and not T. occidentalis as the sign says. Can either of you get some close-up photos of the foliage and cones for verification?

Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-07-20 08:22:53, said:
Hi Conifers, I just uploaded the photo's of some details.

Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-07-20 09:27:17, said:
Wim,

Ben het met Conifers eens; dit is Thuja plicata.


Conifers, at 2014-07-20 12:39:06, said:
Thanks! Yes, definitely Thuja plicata.

Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-07-20 12:39:16, said:
Nardo,

Ik heb het adres van de tuin gevonden; dat is Oud Valkenburg 1, Schin op Geul. Dus jij hebt de boom op het juiste dorp geregistreerd. Nu moet alleen de soort nog gewijzigd worden.

Groet

WIm



Alberto Cuervo Flores, at 2014-07-20 08:00:58, said:
Wim,

Dat mooi plaatje, en nog veel meer prachtige eiken!

Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-07-20 09:06:56, said:
Thanks

Rayn, at 2014-07-20 08:56:04, said:
This tree seems to be the same as this one: http://www.monumentaltrees.com/en/gbr/england/cityoflondon/2366_greenpark/3834/

Photos of twigs and leafs would help species determination ;)

The sign says Oak anyway.



MoritzNagel, at 2014-07-17 14:39:54, said:
Hallo Frank,

ich glaube hierbei handelt es sich um ein Schwarzkiefer.

mfg Moritz

Conifers, at 2014-07-17 16:22:02, said:
Yes, agree Pinus nigra
Frank Gyssling, at 2014-07-17 22:13:21, said:
Hallo Moritz,

woran erkennst du hier die Schwarzkiefer?

viele Grüße Frank

MoritzNagel, at 2014-07-19 09:43:48, edited at 2014-07-19 09:44:50, said:
Ich bin ein bisschen dem Ausschlussverfahren gefolgt.

Für eine Waldkiefer hat der Baum eine viel zu dunkle Rinde. Die ist ja bei Pinus sylvestris eher rötlich.

Außerdem sind, meiner Ansicht nach die Triebe von P. sylvestris etwas zierlicher als bei P. nigra.

Ich ich da kein Experte wie Conifers. Es hätte natürlich auch eine andere Kiefer sein können.

Aber Waldkiefer konnte ich definitiv ausschließen und Schwarzkiefer war das naheliegendste.


Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-07-18 22:15:24, said:
Juli 2014

Frank Gyssling, at 2014-07-17 22:26:30, said:
Ich bin mir nicht sicher. Es könnte auch eine europäische Lärche sein.
Conifers, at 2014-07-18 14:40:49, said:
Can you get a close-up of the cones?

From the branch structire, it looks intermediate, so it might be Larix × marschlinsii (the hybrid between European and Japanese), but that is not certain.


Alberto Cuervo Flores, at 2014-07-18 14:24:05, said:
Beatiful.

Frank Gyssling, at 2014-07-18 11:37:26, said:
Herrenhaus Stülpe

KoutaR, at 2014-07-04 13:57:37, said:
Sisley,

Was this tree really climbed on 2013-06-20 and is 57,7 m really achieved by tape drop? If I recall correctly, the height was first over 58 m and you corrected it after we said the height must be measured to the average ground level, not to the lowest ground level.


Sisley, at 2014-07-04 19:12:04, said:
Yes he was achieved by tape drop by the team of climbers in june 2013.

My first measure was made by laser and she was wrong because the I taked the lowest point of the trunk base.


KoutaR, at 2014-07-04 19:28:08, said:
Thanks, Sisley!

I proposed in the case of the Oak of Ivenack (pedunculate oak (Quercus robur) '1758') that if a tree has been measured by a reliable method (tape or laser), height measurements made by an unreliable method should not be added.

It is an equivalent case with this tree. Tape measurement has been universally considered as the most accurate and reliable method. I propose that a laser-measurement should not be added if a former tape measurement proves that the laser-measurement is inaccurate like in this case. Or is the top broken?


Rainer Lippert, at 2014-07-04 19:57:20, said:
Hallo Kouta und Sisley,

entscheidend bei Tape-Drop ist aber auch, wie genau der Nullpunkt unten gemessen wurde. Steht der Baum am Hang, kann das schon eine Differenz ausmachen, wenn man unten ohne genauem Messgerät den Nullpunkt bestimmt. Und auch oben können beim Tape-Drop noch Probleme auftreten, den tatsächlich höchsten Trieb zu erwischen. Karlheinz ist hier zweimal hochgeklettert:http://www.monumentaltrees.com/de/bericht/1027/

Beidemal hatten wir da die Probleme bei der Abtastung der Spitze. Also auch da kann es zu Fehlern kommen. Also nicht zwingend muss Tape-Drop die genaueste Messung darstellen. Das Equipment von Karlheinz, also TruPulse 200X auf Stativ zur Spitze und Basis, und Leica Disto D8 vom Stativ aus zur Nullpunktbestimmung, sehe ich schon als sehr genau an. Eventuell genauer als Tape-Drop, wo nicht bekannt ist, wie exakt der Nullpunkt unten bestimmt worden ist und wie sich oben die Spitzenabtastung gestaltete.

Viele Grüße,

Rainer


KoutaR, at 2014-07-04 20:21:16, edited at 2014-07-04 20:22:06, said:
Sisley, could you ask the measurers, how they defined the average ground level? Did they measure or estimate it? If estimated, that can really make an error, though likely not 1.4 m.

I believe it that Karlheinz had problems with measuring the top in tape measurement - one year ago he had no idea how to do that, until Michael Spraggon explained it to him.

The distance measuring of the 200X and Disto is undoubtely top-accurate, but the angle measurement not so. It may result in a ~50 cm error. We have already discussed this and the measurement gurus of NTS (Bob Leverett) have indirectly confirmed it.


Karlheinz, at 2014-07-04 20:52:39, said:
The sequoias in Ribeauvillé and Niederbronn I measured about one to two meters less in height than my predecessors. That surprises me a lot. I have no explanation. The measurement conditions especially at the trees '12175 'and '8217' were good. I had a clear view simultaneously to the tree top and to a marker nearby the base. The measurement was performed with TruPulse 200X on tripod.

greetings, Karlheinz


Karlheinz, at 2014-07-04 22:29:30, said:
Kouta, your statement about accuracy of angle measurement with TruPulse 200X and Leica Disto D8 I can not confirm. In my earlier tests both clinometers matched very accurate. The measurement accuracy of the TruPulse is rather limited by the width of the laser beam, which does not allow pinpoint accuracy aiming at small targets.

Sisley, where is your home location? Maybe we could once meet somewhere in the middle, and together measure a tall tree.

Karlheinz


KoutaR, at 2014-07-05 06:18:23, said:
http://www.ents-bbs.org/viewtopic.php?f=235&t=5517&start=20

Message #30 and onwards.


KoutaR, at 2014-07-05 06:33:59, said:
One possible explanation is that Pierron & Thomas have measured the tree to the lowest ground level like Sisley did at the beginning. Sisley, what do you think about this? Is it a usual way in France to measure trees to the lowest ground level = "low slope point"?

Sisley, at 2014-07-05 19:38:55, said:
Hi, all poeple !

I know that the climbers measure from the top to the middle slop point.

L.Pierron said me his method, and my first measure of the sequoia of Ribeauvillé was 58,10 m at the low trunk point.

If I subtract approximately 0,75 m to join the middle slop point we find 57,35 m.

For the mapple tree it maybe possible that the real tope was not targeted ? I know, it was not obvious to found him without the leaves, therefore with the top is more hidden.

The tallest Douglas of Ribeauvillé was measured by tape of drop, 60,5 m, I found 62 m(measure not changed in page)and I see, Karlheinz found 61,5 m. The difference is not very important.

And for the trees near Niederbronn, my results were not so good, it was the first measures with laser and I did'nt have take the middle slop point.

The more important point that I see for the mistakes, is that I don't have pattern surveyor to set against the trunk.

In many situations this object would have helped me.


Karlheinz, at 2014-07-05 22:13:50, said:
Last year I was in Ribeauvillé just on the go with Nikon. I had no other measurement equipment here. I did not think the readings for accurate enough to be entered into the data field for measurement. Only at the tallest Douglas of Ribeauvillé I brought a height value in the caption of the photo.

This year, I've come back, have brought my entire equipment and have done my best in the measurement. For base-determination on the slope ground I used the Leica Disto D8. As difference between low and high slope point at the sequoia of Ribeauvillé I determined 1.40 m, not much different from Sisley.


KoutaR, at 2014-07-06 08:30:53, said:
Without seeing the tree, I guess the difference is partly a consequence of different interpretations of the highest and lowest ground levels. On a steep slope it can make a big difference. And it is largely not up to used device but just interpretation.

In addition, the clinometer error of the 200X (max. +/-0.2° according to the user manual) may explain a part of the difference. Note that even if the device gives repeated the same angle, it does not mean the angle is correct. If my "one metre long" tape measure is too long, it gives repeated the same result but it is not correct.


Karlheinz, at 2014-07-06 10:51:02, said:
Kouta, I know that you think your Nikon 550 for the best instrument in the world! And I guess, Sisley also measures with Nikon, is that right? In the manual of my Nikon 550 I find no specification for clinometer error. Do you really think a manufacturer that conceals the error tolerance of his unit, has the higher quality sensor? The readings with Nikon have a greater range of variation compared to Leica and TruPulse and they are more dependent on interpretation by the measurer.

The Nikon is for our purposes certainly a recommendable device. But we should not expect any accuracy that can not give the unit. The competition between European record trees which are only a few decimeters apart is hardly to decide with Nikon.


KoutaR, at 2014-07-06 15:06:54, edited at 2014-07-06 15:08:41, said:
It is very clear that all the TruPulses are more accurate than Nikon. I have never denied it. But here we were comparing 200X vs. tape. Everybody can do a bit trigonometry and calculate how big height error can -0.2° error at the base and a +0.2° error at the top (the worst case) make. One could think that if the distance measurement is centimetre precise, height measuring is centimetre precise, too. I also believed so at first - for example, I wrote "Disto gives accurate distances to the nearest centimetre, so using a reference point did not decrease the accuracy" in my report about the tallest beech (http://www.monumentaltrees.com/en/report/772/). But the clinometers of these devices are simply not accurate enough for that accuracy. Karlheinz, could it be time to accept that. In Finland much cited is a statement of a former president: "the beginning of all the wisdom is the confession of the facts". And I am not speaking for Nikon, which is, of course, less accurate and less reliable. I would buy 200X, too, if it was much less than 1000€. I am ready to give 2000€ for a good camera but measuring is simply not important enough for me and has recently become still less important due to this like disputes.

Karlheinz, at 2014-07-07 09:25:34, said:
Tape drop as well as instrument measurements, both can be accurate or inaccurate. That depends very much on the care is measured by, how favorable are the measuring conditions in the individual case, and how accurate are the measuring devices. I can not say from the outset that a particular measurement method always results in the most accurate value. If all conditions are optimal, I would prefer the tape-drop measurement result to a Trupulse 200X measurement, presumed when tape drop it is possible to determine the residual height to treetop safely.

For Koutas presumption of an influential inaccuracy of the 200X tilt sensor there is no confirmation, not even in the forums of the NTS (ent-bbs.org). In my estimation, the fault tolerance of the TruPulse 200X is not based on the tilt sensor, but on the wide laser beam when it impinges on inclined or uneven surfaces. Who wants to know more about how I judge the accuracy of my instruments, can read about it in my article in the Bulletin of ENTS, Volume 9, 2014 "Testing Three Different Range Finder With Built in inclinometer": http://www.nativetreesociety.org/bulletin/b9_1-2/B_ENTS_v09_01&02.pdf


KoutaR, at 2014-07-07 11:50:59, said:
The source or "confirmation" for the tilt sensor accuracy/inaccuracy was the user manual. You once gave me this info yourself. Why I referred to the NTS forum was that you first claimed the tilt sensor error is always the same, thus the error at the treetop would counteract the error at the base. Then Bob said it implies to the mechanical clinometers only, and after that you stopped to claim that. Disto's tilt sensor accuracy is actually lower than that of 200X: -0.2°/+0.3° outside the room temperature, according to the user manual. You have not tested the tilt sensors yourself.

A wide beam is a further error source, indeed. (Yes, applies to Nikon, too.)

200X and Disto are great instruments without doubt, but they also have their limits. You once said the other measurers will hate you because you have better instruments. I don't think that is true. It is great that you have them and make accurate measurements. But it is strange that you sometimes make statements that are based on nothing being essentially "religious".


KoutaR, at 2014-07-08 07:44:11, said:
I found the old email of Karlheinz. The tilt sensor error of 200X is +/- 0.1 degrees "typical". Only Leica's user manual tolds how much adds low or high temperature. So this was my mistake.

RedRob, at 2014-07-08 17:09:19, said:
I thought that a 58 metre Sequoiadendron had been reported on here, a Scottish tree measurer called Chic Henderson recently measured the Sequoiadendron at Benmore as 56.4 metres which looked like the second tallest in Europe which I just couldn't re-find on here?

Karlheinz, at 2014-07-17 14:37:18, said:
Hello RedRob,

as you certainly noticed by now, we have conflicting readings. From the record sequoias in Benmore and along the Big Trees Walk Uig I miss individual photos. It seems unclear to me whether these trees can be identified on site at all. Under these circumstances, no one will take the long journey to go there and to confirm the measurements. Even from the highest Douglas firs in UK I can not find individual photos.


RedRob, at 2014-07-17 16:27:13, said:
Hello Karlheinz, the Sequioadendrons at Benmore were visited and re-measured a couple of months ago by David Alderman and Chic Henderson with matching Forestry Pro lasers. The Uig tree was 56.4 metres, 498cm girth, there is a photo of this tree on the TROBI site. The tree in the avenue at Benmore was 56.4 metres to the top, which was dead, 54 metres to the highest live part of the tree, 602 cm girth. The Sequoiadendron at Blair Atholl, Diana's Grove could be the tallest of all as it was 54.50 metres in 2007 with a long wispy spire tip. I believe that Chic Henderson will be visiting this at some point as he is systematically re-measuring the trees across Scotland (about to check a reputed 30 metre Juglans Regia measurement) Chic said that he might join MT so may post some photos.

Which Douglas Firs do you want photos of Karlheinz, the Reelig Glen tree and others are on here already?


Karlheinz, at 2014-07-17 23:02:53, edited at 2014-07-18 07:12:08, said:
Hello RedRob,

a photo from Benmore trees shows the "Avenue of Giant Redwoods." I can not identify the specific tree '1715' with the record size of 56.40 m. How can I find this particular tree? I mean, if a record tree is reported on MT, it should be described so accurately that it clearly can be located in the field without further Internet research.

The highest Douglas-fir in the UK is still the '15298 'in Reelig Glen with 66,40 m. The only photo on MT shows a group of trees. There is no photo, e.g. from the base of the trunk, that uniquely could identify this particular tree. The photo of the second highest Douglas-fir '15299' in Reelig Glen shows the same group of trees and again no individual picture of this tree. From the third highest Douglas-fir '15562' there not any photo is shown. When I am in Reelig Glen, how can I detect which is the respectively measured tree?



Frank Gyssling, at 2014-07-17 22:37:02, said:
Herrenhaus Märkisch Wilmersdorf, letzter Umbau im Tudorstil 1901-1903.

Bess, at 2014-07-17 21:08:25, said:
Welkom op monumentaltrees!

Frank Gyssling, at 2014-07-17 11:45:26, said:
Stamm verzweigt sich in Höhe ca. 1,4 m

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Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-07-16 22:26:14, said:
Tim, Jeroen,

Waarom verschijnt bij deze locatie niet de beuk met het volgnummer, of de lokale naam??

Martin



Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-07-16 17:52:43, said:
Can anyone see what kind of tree this is??
Conifers, at 2014-07-16 18:31:29, said:
Fagus sylvatica
chrishoh, at 2014-07-16 18:55:15, said:
is this 3 trees merged together or grown from just one plant? is this area a pastoral forest, which farmers used to graze their cattle?
Conifers, at 2014-07-16 22:14:22, said:
One tree, but probably pollarded in the distant past.

Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-07-16 16:37:05, said:
Chrshoh,

Please remove and turn this picture before placing it again. It is to beautiful to leave it like this!

Conifers, at 2014-07-16 18:32:17, said:
Hi Martin - Tim can rotate it without deleting it

floriduscampus, at 2014-07-14 20:07:04, edited at 2014-07-15 15:44:54, said:
Een van de oerbomen die niet gekapt zijn door de kolonisten van Madeira (sinds 1420). Het betreft een stinklaurier. Prachtig gebied met vele oude bomen van het oorspronkelijke laurierwoud (Laurissilva) van Madeira. Vroeger was bijna het gehele eiland bedekt met verschillende laurierbomen met mossen en epifyten begroeid. Ongeveer 15-40 miljoen jaar geleden was bijna heel Zuid-Europa bedekt door laurierbos maar door de ijstijden zijn veel laurierbossen verdwenen. Bijna al het oorspronkelijke woud van Madeira is gekapt maar er staan wonderbaarlijk genoeg nog vele exemplaren op de hoogvlakte Paul da Serra waar vee tussen graast. Sommige bomen zijn gelukkig beschermd door gaas. Het is dus een relict van het vroegere oorspronkelijke oerbos van het eiland maar ook van miljoenen jaren terug!

Dit gebied staat op de UNESCO werelderfgoed lijst. Hierbij de omschrijving van het gebied op de website van UNESCO:

"The Laurisilva of Madeira is an outstanding relict of a previously widespread laurel forest type. It is the largest surviving area of laurel forest and is believed to be 90% primary forest. It contains a unique suite of plants and animals, including many endemic species such as the Madeiran long-toed pigeon."

Voor meer interessante weetjes:http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/934

Han van Meegeren, at 2014-07-14 20:46:34, said:
Prachtboom!

Han van Meegeren

Han van Meegeren, at 2014-07-14 20:49:34, said:
Er zijn weer vervelende stemmers aan de gang. Ik heb deze boom een 5 gegeven. Allereerst omdat het een boom is waar ik nog nooit van gehoord had, uniek! En ten tweede, eigenlijk ten eerste, omdat er weer zo vervelend gestemd wordt.

Gr Han

Rayn, at 2014-07-14 22:12:35, edited at 2014-07-14 22:21:50, said:
I agree with Han van Meegeren.

Got any more photo of this fascinating tree by any chance?

floriduscampus, at 2014-07-15 15:46:07, said:
Hoe kan ik meer foto's bijvoegen? Heb trouwens veel meer foto's van deze groep bomen.
Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-07-15 16:33:30, said:
Floriduscampus,

Bewerk eerst je foto's tot licht, compositie en kleur zo natuurlijk mogelijk zijn. Gelukt? Je kan dan de pagina van deze boom openen en vervolgen met "Upload foto's" zoveel foto's toevoegen die aan de info van deze boom wat toevoegen. Zijn andere bomen van deze groep apart de moeite waard, voeg ze dan als nieuwe boom toe. Enzovoort.

Zelf probeer ik altijd een foto bij te voegen die de boom van top tot teen laat zien, maar ook de kroonopbouw en bast van de boom. Liefst voeg ik een foto toe die twijg, blad en bloem of vrucht laat zien. Beide foto's geven vaak alle info die nodig is om de determinatie van de boom te verbeteren, als er twijfel over is. En wie twijfelt er af en toe niet over de correcte naamgeving van bomen.

Veel plezier op MT!

floriduscampus, at 2014-07-15 17:02:15, edited at 2014-07-15 17:03:49, said:
Bedankt voor de instructies, zal t.z.t. meer publiceren.

Hierbij alvast een Youtube-film van de naaste omgeving:

http://youtu.be/RDmM0aOvW-s

Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-07-15 17:14:00, edited at 2014-07-15 17:15:18, said:
Wauw, sfeervol filmpje! Wat een opmerkelijk stuk bos is dit in de mooie nevel.

Ik zie zo al een stuk of 5-10 bomen die in MT thuis horen. Heb je ook detailfoto's van baststructuur, bemoste takken, bebladerde twijgen, vruchten en bloeiwijzen? Ook voor mij een volstrekt onbekende boomsoort.

Han van Meegeren, at 2014-07-15 17:47:20, said:
Beste Hylco

Ik heb het filmpje gezien. jammer dat ik hier nog nooit ben geweest. Prachtig zeg! Ik zie dat Martin al geantwoord heeft over het uploaden van foto's . Laat maar komen wat mij betreft.

Groet van Han

Maarten Windemuller, at 2014-07-15 19:54:46, said:
Very special !
floriduscampus, at 2014-07-15 20:20:49, said:
Filmpje van de desbetreffende boom en omgeving:http://youtu.be/COHDHCbnqjA

BDW, at 2014-07-15 20:08:08, said:
Foto 2 juni 2007

Rayn, at 2014-07-15 16:21:11, said:
Very beautiful and impactful with the out of focus fence in the foreground!

Rayn, at 2014-07-14 19:48:46, said:
Googled out of curiosity to see the tree, is this the one? http://www.pueblos-espana.org/fotos_originales/3/1/5/00669315.jpg

Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-07-14 20:18:19, said:
This is the same picture I found, but it is in a different region

Alberto Cuervo Flores, at 2014-07-14 21:43:49, said:
Should be more because Quercus robur is an autochthonous species of the region (Cantabria).

Rayn, at 2014-07-14 22:20:33, edited at 2014-07-14 22:21:07, said:
I googled on "El roble gordo" which is what the tree is called according to the registration here at MT.

I have seen many beautiful photos of the Spanish oaks here at MT but unfortunately no photo of this giant with a reported girth of over 12 meters, hence my try at google.


MoritzNagel, at 2014-07-14 23:18:11, said:
You can search for "roble tumbado de Bujilices". This seems to be the tree. It is located in Ucieda.

So i guess this is the questioned tree.

Here is one of the photos for example. Very impressive!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/joaquin_camacho/6925265914/


Alberto Cuervo Flores, at 2014-07-15 05:48:42, said:
Impressive tree! Rayn, usually the biggest oak in one area, valley, village, called "Roble gordo de... or Roblón de ...", better then type the name of the site as a reference. Furthermore, also called "Roble" Quercus pyrenaica to many parts.

Rayn, at 2014-07-15 16:17:55, said:
Aha, thank you Alberto Cuervo Flores.


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