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Frank Gyssling, at 2014-10-23 08:53:37, said:
Ohh je, ist das wieder ein schlechtes Foto ;-)

Mammoetboom
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geertaa, at 2014-10-23 08:45:47, edited at 2014-10-23 08:51:57, said:
Hallo,

Ik heb een heel aantal jaren geleden een aantal mammoetbomen gezaaid en gekweekt. Velen zijn tijdens een strenge winter overleden. Gelukkig zijn er een paar die het hebben overleefd. Eentje is op het moment zeer hard aan het groeien in de volle grond (net toegevoegd aan jullie archief), de ander staat in kuip en is zo'n 2 meter hoog nu. Weet iemand hier of er partijen zijn die in deze boom geïnteresseerd zou zijn?

Vriendelijke groet,

Geert



Conifers, at 2014-10-22 22:18:54, said:
These are Quercus robur acorns ;-)
Han van Meegeren, at 2014-10-23 06:13:37, said:
Ofcourse. Too late in the evening I guess, :-))

jaknouse, at 2014-10-20 00:29:22, said:
Pinus strobus is universally called "white pine" throughout its natural range. I have never in my life heard it called Weymouth pine.

Conifers, at 2014-10-20 08:04:22, said:
More accurately, Eastern White Pine, so as to distinguish it from e.g. Pinus monticola (Western White Pine).

TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2014-10-21 18:16:42, said:
This is an interesting point, as we have English (country) names for trees on this site in the English language version rather than American ones, which would be more logical for trees with an American distribution. In this case 'Weymouth' commemorates Captain George Weymouth who first brought the tree to England in the early 17th century but has no relevance to American users of this site. I shan't offer to change the names to the American ones myself as I don't know all of them!

Conifers, at 2014-10-21 21:38:19, said:
I'd favour using native names (i.e., use Eastern White Pine for Pinus strobus), provided they are botanically accurate (thus use e.g. Lawson's Cypress for Chamaecyparis lawsoniana, and not call it a cedar Cedrus as many in the USA regrettably misidentify it).

jaknouse, at 2014-10-22 17:42:34, said:
That sounds reasonable.


TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2014-10-22 17:38:22, said:
Hello again Demercladen,

I don't know if you're aware of the site www.ancient-tree-hunt.org.uk, which is designed to allow people to record details of veteran trees (ie trees which are important for their associated wildlife and intrinsic age) around the UK. I've just transferred your pollard sallow to this site (http://www.ancient-tree-hunt.org.uk/recording/tree?tree=96d3cccd-659a-41fe-b3fe-1b6aca7f5852), as it's clearly ancient from your pictures and one of the most significant in Wales. (You'll see the record appearing under my user-name on that site. The details of where I transferred the record from are in the notes.) I hope I've got the location right. If you want to upload your photos (or other tree records) to the Ancient Tree Hunt site, this is quite easy, though the site doesn't have much professional support these days. It's working OK today anyway!



MColombari1, at 2014-10-21 16:01:07, said:
Russia no Ukraine
Conifers, at 2014-10-21 18:09:40, said:
Ukraine still, though currently under illegal Russian occupation.
MColombari1, at 2014-10-21 22:01:20, said:
illegal is the current Ukrainian government
Han van Meegeren, at 2014-10-22 05:06:40, said:
Curious: the first tree with a passport! Stop this please. A discussion for an other website.

demercleden, at 2014-10-18 15:18:14, said:
Is there another like this one? how old would she be? (at 3.6m girth, .. of the birch family)
Conifers, at 2014-10-18 15:46:39, said:
Quite old, but impossible to give a good estimate as it is looks like an old pollard.

PS Species now classified as Frangula alnus

PPS Frangula is hermaphrodite, so 'it', not 'she' ;-)

demercleden, at 2014-10-18 16:09:49, said:
Yes knew it was hermaphrodite, so preferred a 'she' or 'he' or 'he/she' as mood suggested. it is not a a rock!
TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2014-10-21 18:06:36, said:
I think this tree is Salix caprea (possibly the hybrid Salix x reichartii), rather than Alder Buckthorn. The leaves should be wrinkly above and very finely grey-woolly underneath - very smooth and quite shiny green in Frangula alnus. I'd love to see an Alder Buckthorn with a single trunk more than 30cm thick, but I doubt I ever will! 3.6m girth is also near the maximum size for Salix caprea, though it tends to grow bigger in relatively harsh upland climates like this.
TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2014-10-21 18:11:00, said:
By the way (Tim), two of the photos of this one appear on their side on the tree's webpage, but come the right way up when you click to view them. Any ideas why?
demercleden, at 2014-10-21 18:54:51, said:
Thank you again (I apologise for my inexperience) but have to start somewhere .. Yes I can see that you are right as I have checked the leaf against picture in Wikipoedia .. Can I change the classification?
Conifers, at 2014-10-21 21:39:59, edited at 2014-10-21 21:41:00, said:
I'll change it if you like! . . . . Done!


demercleden, at 2014-10-20 12:23:25, said:
One of a number of remarkable silver biches on Gray Hill
TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2014-10-21 18:12:56, said:
Probably Betula pubescens, rather than B. pendula - the commoner of the two native 'Silver Birches' in the UK. Leaves of B. pendula are more triangular, the finer branches hang down, and the bark is usually crisply divided into smooth pure white bits and very rugged black bits (not visible in this case because of the moss).
demercleden, at 2014-10-21 18:43:39, said:
Thank you, I hadn't worked out the differences. There are a lot of ancient birches and other tree species on Gray hill ... Mixed in with as many Neolithic and Bronze Age stone workings, enclosures, circles banks, cairns and walls

demercleden, at 2014-10-20 12:19:35, said:
because this tree is near the crown of a high hill it has divided low down, so taking a 1.5m girth measurement would appear to not have much meaning? (so have not yet)
Sisley, at 2014-10-21 16:18:57, said:
In this situation, we can take the girth of the largest trunk and this measure can be valid if we don't registre in the 'multi-trunks part'
demercleden, at 2014-10-21 16:27:46, said:
Thanks, I can do that. Probably won't be near any records but it is a splendid and notable tree nevertheless. I shall take a measurement of the largest trunk,(and for reference a measurement of the trunk below where the three join, and the height of this above the ground).

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Stephen Verge, at 2014-10-18 12:00:01, said:
Hi All

Thought you might have seen this, but if not look below.

http://vancouverislandbigtrees.blogspot.co.uk/2014_09_01_archive.html

This appalling Forestry practice continues! This would not happen in the UK!

The tree is sadly doomed and will blow over in the next Pacific gale.

Trees such as these need the whole valley side to protect them.

Very sad!

Stephen


Stephen Verge, at 2014-10-18 12:03:51, said:
See 23/9/14 post to view it

Stephen


Stephen Verge, at 2014-10-18 12:07:30, said:
Sorry meant 23/3/14 post not easy to find.

Stephen


Conifers, at 2014-10-18 13:46:08, said:

KoutaR, at 2014-10-19 10:28:38, said:
More photos:

http://www.tjwatt.com/big-lonely-doug-climb/

(Click the first photo for further photos.)

And a video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxPlKVK8RLM


Stephen Verge, at 2014-10-20 09:57:42, said:
Thanks Kouta

Great pictures/video.

How old 4-500 years?

This is not forestry and I thought the Amazon was bad!

Is there any hope for the Human Race!!

Stephen


KoutaR, at 2014-10-20 15:57:50, said:
You can sign an online petition here: http://ancientforestpetition.com/

Stephen Verge, at 2014-10-21 07:47:24, said:
Hello Kouta

Signed petition

Regards

Stephen



Conifers, at 2014-10-18 13:52:02, said:
Abies alba ;-)
Han van Meegeren, at 2014-10-20 22:05:04, said:
I knew there had to be something wrong. Thanks.

Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-05-06 18:23:53, said:
Hai Karin,

Is dit een 'gewone' gele treurwilg Salix x sepulcralis 'Chrysocoma'? Die de afgelopen weken hel-gele twijgen had. Of is het de veel zeldzamer groene treurwilg Salix babylonica, die altijd groene twijgen heeft?

karin5f, at 2014-05-07 14:36:01, said:
Hallo Martin,

Ik heb hem pas ontdekt op een nieuwe wandelroute, dus kan helaas noch bevestigen noch ontkennen. Ik gok dat het de gewone treurwilg is. Maar dat is nergens op gebaseerd....Ik kan alleen de volgende lente afwachten. Of kan ik het nog ergens anders aan zien? En ook veel dank voor je boeken tip.

Groet,

Karin

Nardo Kaandorp, at 2014-06-17 19:04:25, said:
Hallo Karin,

Deze treurwilg stond er op MT (zonder foto) met een omtrek van 4,12m. Ik herkende hem gelijk vanwege de uitgebroken top. Als je op de kaart kijkt zie je het ook. Kun jij deze boom verwijderen en je foto toevoegen aan de boom die er al op stond. Thanks!

Overigens de dikke populier aan de overkant is toch echt een populier hoor en geen berk. De stam en bladeren laten geen twijfel.

Mooie wilg die je hebt ontdekt verderop.

Groet,

Nardo

karin5f, at 2014-10-17 22:54:56, said:
Hallo Narno, jammer genoeg weet ik niet waar de treurwilg mt staat die je bedoelde. Ook de reden waardoor ik dit zo lang uitstel...Ik heb net gezocht...maar zonder resultaat. Wil graag alles in orde maken. Kun je me helpen?vast bedankt karin

excuus dat het zo lang duurde.

Nardo Kaandorp, at 2014-10-20 18:52:35, said:
Hoi Karin,

Het was al geregeld hoor. Ik heb de treurwilg die ik erop had gezet verwijderd. Dat was eigenlijk een stuk handiger. Hij staat er nu dus maar 1 keer op.

Gr, Nardo


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basehit47, at 2014-10-20 16:23:14, said:
my name is

Jacob Sanders

I live in Bamberg County SC

The Town of Denmark.

5462 Capernaum Road.

Cell 1-803-383-5517

I have a very old Oak Tree 21+inches around. I'm in my 60's My great Grand Mother

Said her mother said the tree was huge ever since she can remember.

How do I upload pictures to show you

My mail is basehit47@aol.com



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basehit47, at 2014-10-20 16:05:26, said:
my name is

Jacob Sanders

I live in Bamberg County SC

The Town of Denmark.

5462 Capernaum Road.

Cell 1-803-383-5517

I have a very old Oak Tree 21+inches around. I'm in my 60's My great Grand Mother

Said her mother said the tree was huge ever since she can remember.

How do I upload pictures to show you

My mail is basehit47@aol.com



Users · MonumentalTrees.com
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basehit47, at 2014-10-20 16:04:21, said:
my name is

Jacob Sanders

I live in Bamberg County SC

The Town of Denmark.

5462 Capernaum Road.

Cell 1-803-383-5517

I have a very old Oak Tree 21+inches around. I'm in my 60's My great Grand Mother

Said her mother said the tree was huge ever since she can remember.

How do I upload pictures to show you

My mail is basehit47@aol.com



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jaknouse, at 2014-10-20 00:12:02, said:
Mountain silverbells. This is often still called Halesia carolina (which is properly now called H. tetraptera), but it is a distinctly different species. H. tetraptera is a shrub, while this is a medium-size tree.


JJVR, at 2014-10-19 13:48:30, said:
Het betreft de voorste/middelste boom.

Een foto van de boom in het geheel moet ik nog een keer maken vanaf de andere kant van de beek.


Stephen Verge, at 2014-10-19 09:17:36, said:
Rob

I saw this tree and definitely Abies grandis. Possibly from the Cascades or just east of the crest. Foliage there typically has upturned foliage at the end of branch tips, where as trees from the Pacific coast have needles which lie flat on the shoot.

Growing well maybe 40cm per year.

Stephen



RedRob, at 2014-09-24 16:56:44, said:
Very impressive Rainer, hate to ask but do you have a distance photo of the tree so we can appreciate it's size?

Rainer Lippert, at 2014-09-24 17:04:44, said:
Hallo RedRob,

leider habe ich kein Foto aus der Ferne. Der Baum steht mitten im Bestand, die Spitze ist nur schlecht einsehbar. Ich habe eine Position gefunden mit Sicht zur Spitze und zur Basis. Ich bin mir aber nicht sicher, ob es auch tatsächlich die höchste Spitze ist. Ich glaube nämlich, die Linde ist noch höher. In der Laubfreien Zeit möchte ich da nochmal hin, zwecks Messung.

Viele Grüße,

Rainer


Rainer Lippert, at 2014-10-18 17:28:55, said:
Heute war ich nochmal dort. Von der anderen Seite aus, von außerhalb des Waldes, konnte ich den Baum nun komplett ablichten. Leider sieht man den Stamm nicht, der aber in beiden Bildern bis fast bis runter reicht. Ich denke inzwischen auch, dass die Linde eher an 42 m Höhe reicht. Aber ist das eine Sommerlinde? Die Blätter sind nicht so besonders groß. Oder ist das eher eine Holländische Linde (Tilia × europaea)?

Viele Grüße,

Rainer


KoutaR, at 2014-10-19 07:55:43, said:
Hallo Rainer,

Du musst die Blattunterseiten anschauen. Bei Sommerlinde sind sie dicht behaart. Das kann man auch von gelben Blättern sehen, auch von gefallenen Blättern. Die Blattgröße ist kein zuverlässiges Merkmal.


Rainer Lippert, at 2014-10-19 07:58:07, said:
Hallo Kouta,

danke für den Hinweis. Beim nächsten Besuch achte ich da mal genauer drauf. In der laubfreien Zeit, wenn der Stamm dann besser sichtbar ist, möchte ich da nochmal hin, um eine genauere Messung hinzubekommen. Blätter am Boden wird es ja dann noch geben.

Viele Grüße,

Rainer



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Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-10-17 18:28:05, said:
Hi.

Ik snap er niets van. Ik heb jarenlang foto's geüpload in verticale stand. Ineens lukt het niet meer. Ik heb deze foto 3 a 4 keer geüpload. Steeds weer is hij gedraaid. Ik heb de foto ook vanuit 2 camera's genomen. Geen idee hoe dat komt, geen idee hoe het op te lossen. Ik heb Tim gemailed .

groet

Wim


Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-10-18 16:04:45, said:
Ik snap het. Dit is een probleem voor mensen die overschakelen naar windows 8.1. Verkenner roteert de foto, maar dat wordt bij het uploaden waarschijnlijk niet gelezen.


Rkrause, at 2014-10-16 17:41:18, said:
Würde gern noch eine zweite Messung von einem anderen Standort durchführen. Benötigte dazu aber Unterstützung.

Gruß

Rkrause


Rainer Lippert, at 2014-10-16 17:48:30, said:
Hallo Rkrause,

meinst du eine weitere Höhenmessung, von einem anderen Standpunkt aus? Das geht unter "Neuer Messung hinzufügen" nicht. Zumindest nicht, wenn beide Messungen vom gleichen Jahr stammen. Du kannst aber unter "Bearbeiten Sie die Daten von diesem Baum" einen Kommentar abgeben. Wie in diesem Fall den Hinweis mit einer weiteren Messung.

Viele Grüße,

Rainer


Rkrause, at 2014-10-16 18:29:26, said:
Hallo Rainer,

ja ich meine eine zweite Höhenmessung (wegen des Geländes) und dachte, es gibt die Möglichkeit, das mich hierbei von euch jemand unterstützen kann, egal wann.

Wenn aber niemand in der Nähe des Standortes der Fichte angesiedelt ist, werde ich das mit Heimatfreunden hin bekommen.

beste Grüße

Rkrause


Rainer Lippert, at 2014-10-16 19:52:10, said:
Hallo Rkrause,

jetzt verstehe ich dich erst. Ich dachte, du hättest bereits einen weiteren Messwert, und du weißt nicht, wie du den hier in die Datenbank eintragen sollst. Du möchtest aber vor Ort eine weitere, genauere Messung durchführen. Ok, also ich wohne etwa 120 km weg, ist also ohne weiteres für mich machbar. Welches Messinstrument hast du denn? Eingetragen hast du die Tangentenmethode, also eine reine Winkelmessung zur Spitze. Wenn der Baum schräg steht, ist das Fehlerbehaftet. Auch, wenn das Gelände geneigt ist, ist es damit Problematisch. Ich hätte ein Nikon-Entfernungsmesser. Damit kann ich eine Winkel- und Entfernungsmessung zur Spitze und zur Basis machen, was genauer ist, als eine reine Winkelmessung zur Spitze. Also ich hätte durchaus Interesse an eine Messung mit dir zusammen vor Ort. Bei mir geht es aber nur an Wochenenden.

Viele Grüße,

Rainer


Rkrause, at 2014-10-17 17:10:47, said:
Hallo Rainer,

bei der ersten Messung habe ich die Basis mit einem Stahlbandmaß gemessen, den Winkel mit einem Klinometer von Suunto.

Über die tan Funktion dann die Gegenkathede, also die Höhe berechnet.

Es wäre prima, wenn wir eine weitere Messung durchführen könnten. Wochenende ist ok, nur das Kommende geht nicht, sonst könnte ich mich bestimmt deinem Terminvorschlag anpassen.

beste Grüße

Rkrause


Rainer Lippert, at 2014-10-17 17:29:25, said:
Hallo Rkrause,

also wie vermutet, nur eine Winkelmessung zur Spitze. Wenn der Standort dann noch höher oder tiefer als die Stammbasis ist, und der Baum an sich nicht genau senkrecht steht, summieren sich da Fehler auf. Ich messe deshalb mit einem Nikon-Entfernungsmesser, diesem hier:http://www.grube.de/nikon-forestry-pro-a-laser-entfernungsmesser-77-379.html?utm_source=googlebase&utm_medium=CPC&utm_campaign=grube&gclid=CMm5kYKatMECFQHlwgodgEkAbQ

Da wird auch die Entfernung zusätzlich zu den Winkeln gemessen, um einen Schrägstand des Baumes auszugleichen. Ist auch einfacher zu messen, da kein Bandmaß benötigt wird.

An diesem Wochenende kann ich auch nicht. Das darauffolgende Wochenende muss ich am Samstag arbeiten, am Sonntag, den 26. Oktober könnte es bei mir gehen. Wie viel Zeit wird der Baum in Anspruch nehmen? Ich meine, wie weit muss man vom Auto aus zum Baum laufen?

Viele Grüße,

Rainer


Rkrause, at 2014-10-17 17:38:52, said:
Prima, den 26. Oktober merke ich mir vor. Es sind ca 25 Min Fußweg vom Parkplatz bis zur Fichte. Stiefel sind nötig, weil der Jüchnitzbach durchquert werden muß, grobes unwegsames Gelände auf den letzten 60 Metern!

beste Grüße

Rkrause


Rainer Lippert, at 2014-10-17 17:59:36, said:
Ok, bleiben wir beim 26. Oktober. Trockenen Fußes kommt man da nicht hin? Ist das ein breiter Bach, oder kommt man da auch über Steine irgendwie auf die andere Seite? Treffpunkt ist dann beim Parkplatz vom Schullandheim Geraberg? Also hier: https://maps.google.de/maps?q=50.701853,10.817295&num=1&t=h&z=18

Viele Grüße,

Rainer


Rkrause, at 2014-10-18 10:17:00, said:
Hallo Rainer,

Je nach Geländegängigkeit deiner unteren Gliedmaße ist alles möglich, kann aber auch noch ein Stiefelpaar mitbringen.

Treffpunkt wie vorgeschlagen.

schönes Wochenende

Rkrause


Rainer Lippert, at 2014-10-18 14:44:14, said:
Hallo Rkrause,

also 8 m kann ich nicht weit springen, wenn du das meinst ;-) Ich will es so versuchen, aber es wäre schön, wenn du noch ein Stiefelpaar mitbringen würdest.

Dir auch ein schönes Wochenende,

Rainer


Rkrause, at 2014-10-18 15:33:27, said:
alles klar - Ankunftszeit sagst mir dann noch !

Rainer Lippert, at 2014-10-18 15:36:27, said:
Ich dachte an 12:00 Uhr. Da bleibt genug Zeit zum messen.

Bis dann,

Rainer



demercleden, at 2014-10-18 15:21:45, said:
she hasn't many living branches left on top!

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Stephen Verge, at 2014-10-18 11:59:58, said:
Hi All

Thought you might have seen this, but if not look below.

http://vancouverislandbigtrees.blogspot.co.uk/2014_09_01_archive.html

This appalling Forestry practice continues! This would not happen in the UK!

The tree is sadly doomed and will blow over in the next Pacific gale.

Trees such as these need the whole valley side to protect them.

Very sad!

Stephen



Stephen Verge, at 2014-10-18 11:39:03, said:
Hi Rob

Yes saw this tree on my visit last month.

I saw this tree way back in the early nineties, it was flat topped. Yes very luxuriant and healthy. Judging by the fresh fissures in the bark I would say it is still growing rapidly in girth. The trunk also has very little taper and I would not be surprised if it contained 60m3 of wood. It may reach 55-60m eventually but may take another 30 years?

A species which has not reached its full potential in the UK and with climate change, could well excel in the west. It is virtually bombproof with only man/wind/lightning the real hazard. With Giant sequoia Honey fungus and other decay fungi can attack these trees but not Coast Redwood.

Stephen



SEVERE SPUR DAMAGE ON SCOTLAND'S TALLEST TREE!!!!!
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KoutaR, at 2014-10-09 11:24:58, edited at 2014-10-09 11:35:40, said:
I send this at the request of Michael Spraggon. The text is his. It is about this tree: coast Douglas-fir (Pseudotsuga menziesii) '15298'

"A friend of mine climbed the tallest tree in Scotland, at Reelig Glen Wood last weekend to measure it by tape drop. TO HIS HORROR HE FOUND THAT SOMEONE HAD CLIMBED IT USING SPURS!!! There were deep wounds ALL THE WAY from the lowest branches to a few metres from the top. There were also very bad rope burns on some branches from natural-crotched dDRT descents.

I have reported this to the Forestry Commission and also the Tree Register of the British Isles, who are investigating it.

The tree was climbed a month ago by a film unit and a presenter for the BBC. The program was aired on national TV 2 weeks ago. Is it possible that someone saw the program and decided to 'have a go at climbing it?

We need to come together to condemn such total disregard for any healthy tree, let alone a national champion!

Michael"




Stephen Verge, at 2014-10-13 16:59:33, said:
Hello All

I think this is appalling and always feared that this would happen. I feel it is a very difficult balancing act to:-

Educate and show the trees to the general public, without causing damage and also revealing such tree's exact location is perhaps not a good idea except between us tree fans/owner. I think by doing this the risk that a vandal or a so called recreational tree climber damaging it through perhaps just ignorance or just not caring is reduced significantly.

I wonder if the UK Tree Register has considered listing the trees but keeping the location deliberately vague to the public.

Owen what do you think?

I do not think it is a good idea to tell the media!

With these giants often growing in very fragile environments should we not take the policy as the same as the tallest Coast Redwoods in California? Perhaps treating them like rare protected orchids and not revealing their exact location, like say a rare military orchid.

A classic example is the Giant Sequoia just off Rhinefield Drive in the New Forest 51m tall. I have been visiting this tree for over 20 years and at first the Forestry Commission just put up a vague post some distance away which attracted little attention from the public. But now a large sign has been put up some years ago and now attracts many people to the tree.

The result is now significant soil compaction around the base, touching and picking of bark and even someones ashes had been deposited at the base! I estimate several thousand people are trampling around its root zone, which I'm sure you know is generally the most vulnerable part of the tree, with fine feeder roots only 20-30cm below the surface. I fear the tree is now showing early signs of stress. (Sequoia's are shallow rooted.)

I hope to contact the F.C. and recommend that they fence off around its root zone to prevent further damage, I am a qualified arborist/forester by the way. It would be nice if they paid for a full decompaction by compressed air to aerate the root zone.

I have a number of champion conifers which may be some of the tallest in Europe which as far as I know remain unknown except to myself, which I hope to reveal to you, but I would appreciate that they are just admired by us on this site and the UK Tree Register but not revealing exactly where they are to the media and general public to protect them.

As to the damage, I would say that it is just confined to a small area of the thin bark at the tree top and the cambium layer and as long as this is not repeated should only have a minor impact, with transpiration and subsequent growth unaffected.

Sorry for the rant but this has been a worry for me for sometime.

Thanks

Stephen


KoutaR, at 2014-10-13 17:25:12, said:
Hello Stephen,

You can always put the coordinate point to the nearest village or onto a lake, for example, and write in the description something like "the exact location is not revealed for preventing vandalism".


TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2014-10-16 18:06:26, said:
My feeling is that the benefits to trees in general by interesting the public in remarkable and champion specimens outweighs the risk that the most famous trees may be damaged by climbing or soil compaction. People as a whole are less and less aware of the natural world around them and the threats which it faces, and trees, being big and spectacular, are a good way of getting them (and especially their children) more emotionally involved.

We sometimes have to disguise tree locations at the request of owners who are touchy about their privacy, but 95% of trees on the Tree Register do have precise location details. To re-record the trees in 20 or 50 years time, the recorder needs to know what and where it is, and the extra paraphernalia involved in keeping the locations disguised makes me worry that sometimes this may become difficult. A tree record kept in somebody's head or on the back of an envelope is of no use at all after 50 years!

The 50m Giant Sequoia at Nymans has a boardwalk for the 10m of path that traverses its root-run, which seems a good idea.

I don't think the BBC news item that showed the Reelig Glen Douglas being climbed clearly showed at any point which of the many similar trees there the tallest actually was. I suspect they were deliberately keeping its identity unclear, as copy-cat climbs are a health-and-safety nightmare even if they don't damage the tree. The tree called Dughal Mor (on OS maps) and which has or had a plaque claiming it as Britain's tallest tree is about 30m from the new candidate and would have been the obvious tree for people to have climbed. When I visited in 2013 and identified the new tree as taller, this wasn't evident at all from the few viewpoints on the ground - hence I don't have a good photo with this one as the centre of attention.


Stephen Verge, at 2014-10-17 07:16:52, said:
Hi Owen

Thank you for your views.

It is always a difficult balancing act to educate the public and at the same time, preventing damage either accidental or worse, deliberate.

My personal feeling is that there are enough sacrificial trees in arboretums and collections now to educate the public and the next generations of tall trees which are often in fragile environments should be protected.

Trouble is when the word gets out, that there is a new tall tree, it does attract public attention, especially when its in state forests which inevitably leads to a trail to the tree and over the years much potential damage can be done by soil compaction. I always advised the FC of their trees but to keep quiet about them where possible. I notify them just to let them know and hope they will be retained for their scientific value.

I would of course let the Tree Register know where they are, but often in big stands of many hectares with hundreds of trees pin pointing the tree exactly even with GPS can be impossible.

For us dendrologists I think studying these trees is great, but I think letting the general public know 'exactly' where they are is a potential risk to them. One can always say a new tree has been discovered and dimensions given, though but location kept is deliberately vague from the public.

Kind Regards

Stephen


Karlheinz, at 2014-10-18 11:05:38, said:
Good arguments presented here speak for not to reveal the Champion Tree by single photo or exact coordinates. On the other hand we want to raise interest of people in forest and nature, which is supported by focusing on distinctive superlatives. MT also heats up the search for the champion with the ability to sort by tree heights and by the "European tree height records list". The competition of the regions according to the motto: "Who has the highest tree" is opened. Who has measured a tree and now claimes the title of champion for this tree, must allow for review, anything else would be unfair. The incentive for me to go to Scotland to see and remeasure the tallest tree is little, if not previously is clear that I can find and identify the particular tree on site. Who does not want the tree to become famous, may not register it on MT. He must not boast of having found it. He must keep the secret for himself and approve that others will discover and publish the tree.

Karlheinz


Stephen Verge, at 2014-10-18 11:26:14, said:
Hi Karl

Thanks for your comments. I have no problem posting the tallest trees on this site or the UK Tree Register. However giving precise location details to the UK public and media can be a potential risk to them, mainly too many people can visit and cause damage mainly accidental, caused by soil compaction. As you can see here someone has climbed the tree using bad techniques which have caused damage, we need to prevent this from happening where ever possible.

The location for some of the tallest Coast Redwoods in California are kept secret and only a few know where exactly they are.

There are many trees in the UK where people can visit tall trees now in private grounds or in state forests and be educated which I strongly recommend, but some of the tallest are in very fragile locations and having potentially thousands of people visiting them I feel would damage their health.

I hope to purchase a trupulse 200x soon as I am entirely scientific and dislike inaccuracy.

All the best

Stephen



Scholem Alejchem, at 2013-11-03 08:40:59, said:
Castaneas everywhere united!
Baumfan1964, at 2014-10-16 21:21:56, said:
ein Traum!!!

Baumfan1964, at 2014-10-16 20:42:13, said:
erfurchtgebietent!!!

Baumfan1964, at 2014-10-16 20:35:53, said:
wonderfull!!!

Baumfan1964, at 2014-10-16 20:35:09, said:
herlich,wunderschöner Baum!!!

Tim, at 2014-05-17 17:32:01, said:
Very nice. This tree seems to come right out of a fairy tale.

Keep up the good work, Zeltins!

Kind regards,

Tim

Baumfan1964, at 2014-10-16 20:33:37, said:
wunderschön!!!

apogeal, at 2011-05-31 01:59:11, said:
Prachtige zomereik geweldig!

apogeal

Baumfan1964, at 2014-10-16 20:30:33, said:
wonderfull!!!!

Baumfan1964, at 2014-10-16 20:29:47, said:
wunderschön!!!

Baumfan1964, at 2014-10-16 20:27:12, said:
wunderschön!!!!

Baumfan1964, at 2014-10-16 20:26:41, said:
ein Traum!!

MColombari1, at 2012-11-12 19:15:55, said:
super
Baumfan1964, at 2014-10-16 20:21:48, said:
wundervoll!!

MColombari1, at 2012-11-02 10:45:21, said:
Wohw!!beautifull
Joel Skok, at 2012-11-10 19:16:46, said:
Must see this marvel of creation. But tell me, what is its condition? Live top? Much decay or dead wood?
Conifers, at 2012-11-10 20:58:51, said:
Plenty of pics available with a google search (it's a famous tree). From these two, it has a good dense healthy crown, though looks like it's lost its top at some stage:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lesley_sutherland/6235601680/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/pspahn/2613954984/

KoutaR, at 2012-11-10 21:03:47, said:
Joel,

The original top has snapped a long time ago, but the tree is still almost 60 m tall. Otherwise the tree is, as far as I remember, in a good shape.

Still more than this tree, I liked neighbouring Olympic National Park. One of the greatest park I have hiked. A primeval wilderness with giant Douglas-firs, Sitka spruces and western redcedars, wild rivers and snow-capped mountains.

Kouta

KoutaR, at 2012-11-12 11:10:02, said:
Joel,

So you have been there and I advertised the park needlessly!

Kouta

Baumfan1964, at 2014-10-16 20:19:09, said:
wonderfull,I am deeply impressed

Scholem Alejchem, at 2014-10-16 12:39:56, said:
Frage an Conifers & andere Experten:

How could this tree have 2 different kind of leaves??

Wie kann dieser Baum 2 unterschiedliche Blätter haben???

lg Scholem

TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2014-10-16 17:49:30, said:
This is 'Aspleniifolia', which is a chimaera - a clone with two parts, which have different DNA, but have fused together. Normally, the fern-leaved part of the chimaera is at the surface and produces the cut leaves, but sometimes the ordinary-leaved beech which is underneath produces some sprouts.

Sorry no to be able to put this in German! In fact, someone else could probably put it more precisely in English, too.

Scholem Alejchem, at 2014-10-16 18:45:01, said:
Thanks, its Ok for me, I am better in reading english, as in writing....

davidwhite, at 2014-10-15 18:29:50, said:
This is the view into the canopy at ground level.

ALL the brances in view belong to the tree

TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2014-10-16 17:45:38, said:
Dear David,

Thanks for adding this tree. From your photos I can see it is actually a Turkey Oak, and I assume it is the tree which was last measured by the late Hatton Gardner in 1985, when he noted a spread of 26m. I've just updated the record with these details.

It's very unusual for oaks to layer (produce roots from branches touching the ground). In fact I've never seen a native oak doing this. The masses of sprouts along the branches of this tree are also unusual, and are presumably what has helped it to layer.

Owen


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gary1ozburn, at 2014-10-15 04:26:15, said:
I looked at this site to see the tallest tree in South America. This pulled up your list of greatest girth, tallest, and oldest trees of "South America". Unfortunately a number of the greatest girth and all of the tallest are listed as being in Costa Rica. Costa Rica is not part of South America. I still do not have an answer.

Jeroen Philippona, at 2014-10-15 19:57:57, edited at 2014-10-15 20:00:12, said:
Hi,

Indeed officially Costa Rica is a part of Central America, not of South America. Webmaster Tim can change that.

The few trees I put at this website from Costa Rica have been reliable measured with laser technology by Bart Bouricius from the USA. He has measured many trees in Tropical Rainforests in Costa Rica, but also in Panama and Peru and probably some more Latin American countries. These three trees are the tallest of all trees and species he has measured till now in Latin America.

Regarding South America Bart Bouricius has measured trees of several species in Peru, he writes he as well as an other measurer have measured trees in that country up to 58 m (190 feet).

Of South America we know very few reliable measurements, in Chile recently Josh Kelly has measured Alerce, Fitzroya cupressoides up to 54.1 m (177 ft) (so less than often reported as above 60 m) and of southern beech, Nothofagus dombeyi up to 49.2 m. See at the NTS website: http://www.ents-bbs.org/viewforum.php?f=44

andhttp://www.ents-bbs.org/viewforum.php?f=93 for the Central American reports.

We would like to have measurements at Monumental Trees of South American trees, but till now very few people have sent reports of trees they measured at this continent to this website.


KoutaR, at 2014-10-16 09:48:19, said:
"Josh Kelly has measured Alerce, Fitzroya cupressoides up to 54.1 m (177 ft) (so less than often reported as above 60 m)"

But note that Mr. Kelly writes: "I doubt this is where remnant alerce trees reach their maximum size. My guess is that, like Nothofagus dombeyi, they reach their largest size on deep volcanic soils with high precipitation" and then lists some promising sites. His report is here: http://www.ents-bbs.org/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=5176#p22550



davidwhite, at 2014-10-15 18:23:18, said:
What looks like a small copse is in fact a single oak tree!

From the kids in front I estimate it to be c. 12.5m high (perhaps more from perspective), and c. 22m across.

The branches grow down into the ground and emerge back up again larger!


Conifers, at 2014-10-14 16:24:11, said:
Pinus nigra ;-)
Rainer Lippert, at 2014-10-14 17:52:42, said:
Hallo Conifers,

ich habe es gleich abgeändert. Danke für den Hinweis.

Viele Grüße,

Rainer


Stephen Verge, at 2014-09-28 10:09:46, said:
Hello Rob

Off to Wales next week to see your trees near Waterloo Bridge plus some new ones. Will try to take a look at the Elan Valley Douglas on the way, where exactly are they?

Have you contacted the F.C. (now Natural Resources Wales) about these trees as I think they need a guarantee of protection. Especially it seems very likely they are the tallest Douglas Fir in the Northern Hemisphere outside the Pacific Coast of North America. I am sure they would be very interested. Although some ways better to keep the public quiet about them as having thousands of people trampling around them can be detrimental to their health due to root/ soil compaction, as the F.C often makes a trail to the trees. But letting the forest manager know is I think a good idea. What do you think?

Stephen


RedRob, at 2014-10-01 17:22:42, said:
Hello Stephen, http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2526900 these are the trees in the Elan valley area.

Owen reported the Waterloo Grove trees to the Forestry Commission last year if I remember correctly. You are right about people tramping around them would cause damage although that said the land in front of them is full of bracken, brambles and hidden gullies. Have a good time, look forward to hearing about your experiences. Take some photos and report your trees whatever or wherever they are.


Stephen Verge, at 2014-10-13 17:05:20, said:
Hello Rob

Got back on Sat. 12 days in North Wales. 1326 miles driven! Loads to talk about some good some bad with discoveries expect posts and much talk in the coming weeks. Waterloo Grove is amazing!

Stephen



Karlheinz, at 2014-09-29 14:43:03, said:
Die Art Carya illinoinensis wird falsch sein, ist es Carya cordiformis? Nüsse habe ich noch keine gefunden.

The species Carya illinoinensis will be wrong, it is Carya cordiformis? Nuts I have not found yet.

Grüße

Karlheinz

Conifers, at 2014-09-29 17:31:04, said:
Both the bark and the foliage are a good match for Carya cordiformis; compare e.g. here.
TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2014-09-29 18:47:56, said:
I agree, Carya cordiformis.
Karlheinz, at 2014-09-29 18:57:16, said:
thanks, I have changed to cordiformis.
KoutaR, at 2014-10-01 13:40:03, said:
I asked on the American NTS forum, what they think about the species identity. Follow the discussion here: http://www.ents-bbs.org/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=6633
Conifers, at 2014-10-01 14:35:45, said:
Thanks Kouta, it'll be interesting to see the consensus there.

For clarification for anyone who doesn't understand bbeduhn's comment 'it is not one of the "true" hickories', the hickory genus Carya is divided into two subgenera, the pecans (Cc. illinoinensis, cordiformis, aquatica, myristiciformis), and the true hickories (Cc. ovata, laciniosa, tomentosa, glabra, etc.).

KoutaR, at 2014-10-01 18:12:06, said:
Conifers, thanks for the clarification. I did not understand that comment either.
Karlheinz, at 2014-10-03 08:36:56, said:
Gestern bin ich nochmal hingefahren. Bei intensiver Suche konnte ich doch noch Nüsse finden. In diesem Park gibt es keine weiteren Hickory-Bäume. Die Nüsse bestätigen die Art Bitternuss (Carya cordiformis).

I went there again yesterday. With an intensive search, I could still find nuts.

In this park there are no other hickory trees. The nuts confirm the species bitter nut (Carya cordiformis).

KoutaR, at 2014-10-12 20:10:02, said:
Now further messages on the topic on NTS-BBS: http://ents-bbs-org.nativetreesociety.org/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=6633

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Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-10-12 08:23:38, said:
Hai Bianca,

Heb je de boom ook op de standaardhoogte 1.30 meter gemeten? De aantaster is een tonderzwam. Beuken kunnen daar lang mee leven. Maak me meer zorgen over geboorde gaten om de verwonding heen. Mooie vondst deze boom.

Groet, Martin



Alberto Cuervo Flores, at 2014-10-09 18:18:45, said:
Is it "tilia platyphyllos"?
Conifers, at 2014-10-09 21:42:49, said:
Either Tilia platyphyllos or T. × europaea. A close-up of the underside of a leaf would help decide which.
Alberto Cuervo Flores, at 2014-10-10 13:51:05, said:
Thanks
Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-10-12 08:16:05, said:
Leaf-form and color of leafs and twigs show this is Tilia platyphyllos for me.

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jaknouse, at 2014-10-11 00:18:10, said:
There are two giant sequoias, Sequoiadendron gigantea, growing just southeast of Athens, Ohio, at a business, Companion Plants. I think they're 30-40 years old.


BiancaB, at 2014-10-10 16:52:29, said:
Tijdens de dag van de duurzaamheid konden kinderen onder deze boom naar het speciaal daarvoor geschreven boekje luisteren en de boom opmeten.

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Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-10-10 09:54:17, said:
Beste Leo,

Jij heb in het Haagse zuiderpark de gezaagdbladige eik opgevoerd sawtooth oak (Quercus acutissima) '9021'. Je hebt er geen foto bijgeplaatst. Ik heb een paar keer gekeken of ik hem kon vinden. Tot nu toe heb ik één boom gevonden die in de buurt komt en het zou kunnen zijn. Ik zal de foto's plaatsen. Kun jij kijken of je denkt dat het klopt. Zo niet dan gooi ik de foto's er weer af. Ik ga binnenkort nog wel een keer contact zoeken met de beheerder, maar als dit iets oplost lijkt me dat vast meegenomen.

Groet

Wim Brinkerink


Leo Goudzwaard, at 2014-10-10 11:08:41, said:
hallo Wim, dat is hem, aan je foto van de bladeren zijn de uitstekende tanden aan de bladranden goed te zien,

Leo


Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-10-10 12:09:06, said:
Dank je Leo, ik ga hem gelijk op de goede plaats zetten.

Groet

WIm



Frank Gyssling, at 2014-10-08 10:01:55, said:
Hallo Jeroen,

ich habe gerade die Eiche merfach neu vermessen und komme in 1,3 m Höhe auf einen Umfang von mindestens 7,90 m. Das korrespondiert aber leider nicht mit deiner letzten Messung in 2010. Wobei, wie öfter bei solchen Bäumen, Fußpunkt (wo?) und Maserknollen die Messung schwierig machten.

viele Grüße Frank

Jeroen Philippona, at 2014-10-08 22:32:49, edited at 2014-10-09 06:22:22, said:
Hello Frank,

I hope you can read English, in German I make a lot of faults with the "Fälle".

Kouta and I together measured this tree (see on the photo) and we did it at around 1.30 m above ground level, but this can be done above the high point or at the medium ground level. I don't remember how we did it in this case. Also, I try to get the smallest possible girth at or below 1.30 m, you can call it the "waist" = "taille". Since May 2010 five growing seasons have passed, for an open grown oak this could be 10 to 15 cm growth at breast hight. That means still 16 to 21 cm difference between our measurements. Sometimes a hollow tree seems to grow very fast because of "bulging out" (sagging) of the trunk. That seems to be the case with the biggest girthed oak of Kvill in Sweden. But in this case I would not expect this with this rather sound trunk. So compared to you probably Kouta and I measured at a higher point or less over burls.

Kind regards, Jeroen

KoutaR, at 2014-10-09 12:07:40, said:
Ich weiss nicht mehr, wie wir den Fusspunkt definiert haben. Aber ich erinnere mich, dass Jeroen versucht hat, allen möglichen Knollen auszuweichen. Das könnte den Unterschied machen.
Frank Gyssling, at 2014-10-09 13:50:32, said:
Hallo KoutaR,

ich werde ev. bei Gelegenheit noch mal hin fahren und erneut möglichst defensiv (optimal) und mit verschiedenen Fußpunkten messen. Die offene Frage ist, ob man trotz Maserknollen das Maßband noch mölichst wagerecht führt und im "Höhen-Zickzack-Kurs".

In einigen Quellen werden für diesen Baum Umfänge von > 8 m genannt.

viele Grüße Frank

KoutaR, at 2014-10-09 14:40:14, said:
"Die offene Frage ist, ob man trotz Maserknollen das Maßband noch mölichst wagerecht führt und im "Höhen-Zickzack-Kurs"."

Jeroen, könntest du auf dies antworten.

Jeroen Philippona, at 2014-10-09 19:37:53, said:
Hallo Frank und Kouta,

Wenn ich versuche die kleinst mögliche Umfang auf Brusthöhe zu bekommen, führ ich das Maßband zwischen Maserknollen eventuell etwas im "Höhen-Zickzack-Kurs". Das ist besser als horizontal über die Maserknollen, wenn es ein kleinere Umfang gibt.

Viele Grüße, Jeroen


Frank Gyssling, at 2014-10-07 13:34:15, said:
Help Tree Friends. Someone can give me determine the species?

Needles: 8-13 mm; Pin: ~ 18 mm

greeting frank

Conifers, at 2014-10-07 18:51:53, said:
Tsuga canadensis
Frank Gyssling, at 2014-10-08 09:07:21, said:
Yes it might be true. All features except a vote sawn edge of the needles. I could not find it. it is smooth.

greeting frank

Frank Gyssling, at 2014-10-09 11:04:10, said:
Hello conifers,

What exactly is the difference between Tsuga heterophylla and Tsuga canadensis?

greeting frank

Conifers, at 2014-10-09 15:01:27, said:
Hi Frank,

There are small, but reliable differences in the shape of the cones. Also T. canadensis has a more irregular crown shape, T. heterophylla is usually very strongly conical.

Above, T. canadensis; below, T. heterophylla


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Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-10-06 17:01:45, edited at 2014-10-06 17:50:09, said:
Hi all,

As this database is developing more and more into a podium where you can find all kinds of answers relating to pictures, growth, size and dispersion of all kinds of trees, in my opnion, there is a moment of realizing what we are doing and what our aims are.

Please don’t take it as an attack or offense. I saw that Karlheinz is very sincerely and thoroughly describing what we can see in the Kleve gardens in Germany. Karlheinz has an attitude inwhich he wants to be scientific and thorough.

I am wondering if that is what we should do here. If I take in account the detailed contributions of the Kleve gardens I soon stop scrollin

g the pictures. Off course that’s not a problem, but it poses the essential question of our focus or aim. What do we want? Scientific registration and documentation or something else?. Nice pics of trees that matter?. And do we want to influence laymen or other potentially interested people?.

I start thinking about a website where we can see the nice pictures or (on another place) view the scientific correct database about trees, what they are and where they are to be seen.

To be honest I would like to see both.

I would appreciate a site where you can see the champions per country, city or region. And in connection with that, I would like to go deeper and learn more about the characteristics of a special tree.

Is this a positive contribution? I hope so. It is intented so. I value the work of Tim. Next to that I think we have to help Tim in finding his way in accordance with the users and contributors of the site.

Crack your minds please and have a nice day.

Wim


RedRob, at 2014-10-06 17:19:57, edited at 2014-10-06 17:21:44, said:
Simple answer for me, scientific registration and documentation for me, I come on here to view and see champion trees, my priority interest I admit is height but I also appreciate girth. I could upload pictures and register thousands of trees but I only register those of significant height either for species or location. The artistic photo thing does not bother me, I just want to see the trees whatever they look like. In truth the artistic element can be irritating as all it ever does is cause handbags at dawn with people upset at ratings of photographs. I would delete the rating system from this site if it was mine to end this dispute for good.

Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-10-06 17:25:38, said:
My commitment in this discussion is not the rating. Nevertheless thank you very much for this opnion. We need that.

TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2014-10-06 18:24:21, said:
That's a good point, Wim. If the site were to feature every 'monumental tree' in the world there would be many millions and Tim would have to work even harder to keep the software running smoothly (and pay even more for bandwidth)! But many countries already have extensive, even near-comprehensive, databases of their notable trees. In Britain and Ireland, we have the Tree Register (with 215,000 trees) and the Ancient Tree Hunt (with 150,000 trees), and I've only transferred a very few of our best trees onto Monumental Trees, which I would like to see as a showcase for really special trees which can stimulate interest in a wider public (and act as a cross-borders forum for the initiated).

If anyone wants to find out about the rest of our UK and Irish trees, I hope that they would be sufficiently interested to join the Tree Register and consult its online database. The same applies for the USA, New Zealand and several European countries. Conversely, if anyone has an interest in updating and adding to the data on the Tree Register, I would hope that they would liaise directly with myself as Registrar. (A few trees have gone onto Monumental Trees instead and I have to search this site to find them and transfer them onto the Register. So long as it's only a few, this is a comment, not a complaint!)

Perhaps the links to individual countries' national tree database could be displayed more prominently on the main page of Monumental Trees, so that people with special interests are redirected to these sites. If Monumental Trees is to act as a large-scale database in its own right, I think some redesigning would be needed, so that it's quicker to draw up lists of, for example, particular species in particular provinces or counties, and to order these in different ways.


Tim, at 2014-10-06 19:15:17, said:
I have stated my opinion on the goal of this website before. It is not my intention to copy or compete with national registries, it is merely about offering anyone the possibility to document loosely defined "trees of interest", so there is room for everybody: those that find pleasure in comprehensively documenting trees in an area, those that like to have a relaxing browse through photographs of interesting trees during some spare time in the evening, those that are merely interested what is to be seen in their neighborhood, those that have a scientific interest in how trees of a specific kind in this or that area compare to anywhere else in the world, to promote tree hunting, to offer statistics for the record hunters, to offer a possibility for photographers to share and persist their photo collection, ... , and yes, because I also like the technical aspect of it and for me it is rewarding to see that what I made as a hobby is actually being used by people and visited by many more. There is still a lot of potential towards the future, e.g. growth curves using historic measurements and - related - automatic age estimations.

That said, indeed, Owen, the "link" section http://www.monumentaltrees.com/en/content/links/ definately needs some updating (after which I could make it more prominent). I'm not sure who has edit rights there, but that page is editable, so feel free to add links to "official" tree registrers or databases anywhere in the world.

Kind regards,

Tim


Karlheinz, at 2014-10-06 23:55:22, said:
Hallo Wim,

wir haben unterschiedliche Meinungen, welches Maß an Sorgfalt wir aufbringen sollten bei der Registrierung von Bäumen. Nach meiner Vorstellung soll die Baumdatenbank von MT nicht nur eine Plattform zur Präsentation eigener schöner Baumfotos sein, sondern wir wollen auch der Allgemeinheit eine verläßliche Informationsquelle bieten.

Wenn sich etwas als offensichtlich falsch herausstellt, sollte es erlaubt sein, das Problem anzusprechen und um Korrektur zu bitten. Ein Beispiel aus dem von dir angesprochenen Park in Kleve verdeutlicht, was ich meine:

coast Douglas-fir (Pseudotsuga menziesii) '16910'

Die Douglasie auf dem Foto hat nicht die Höhe und den Umfang des hier registrierten Baumes (ich habe gemessen: Umfang 3,04 m und Höhe 30,1 m), es muß also eine Verwechslung vorliegen. Das Baumschild auf dem zweiten Foto hängt nicht an diesem Baum, sondern an einer anderen Douglasie. In der Umgebung stehen mehrere Douglasien, einige auch erheblich höher (bis 38,80 m). Die registrierten Koordinaten sind ungenau und lassen eine Identifizierung des Baumes nicht zu. Bei solchen Ungereimtheiten macht es für nachfolgende User keine Freude, hier weitere Douglasien zu registrieren.

Grüße, Karlheinz

my English translation:

Hello Wim,

we have different opinions, what level of care we should apply for the registration of trees. In my idea the tree database of MT should not only be a platform to showcase our own beautiful tree photos, but we want to offer the public a reliable source of information.

If something obviously is found to be wrong, it should be allowed to address the issue and ask for correction. An example from the Kleve gardens, named by you, illustrates what I mean:

coast Douglas-fir (Pseudotsuga menziesii) '16910'

The Douglas fir in the photo does not have the height and the girth of the here registered tree (I measured girth 3.04 m and heigt 30.1 m), so there must be a confusion. The board on the second photo does not hang at this tree, but at another Douglas fir. In the surroundings there are several Douglas firs, some significantly higher (up to 38.80 m). The registered coordinates are inaccurate and do not allow an identification of the tree. With such inconsistencies it makes for following users no joy, to register more Douglas firs here.

Greetings, Karlheinz


Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-10-07 14:26:39, said:
Hallo Karlheinz,

I don't have any problem if you correct me. Be my guest if necessary, I also would like it if the information, of whatever kind, is correct.

Kind regards

WIm


RedRob, at 2014-10-07 16:45:27, said:
Am I one of the guilty ones Owen, thought that you might be getting sick of emails and that you might pick them up on here but so many trees registered it is hard to keep up if you are away for a few days I admit.

Could the site be split, one part for scientific measurement, precise recording of location, photographing and ranking of significant trees (which also acts as a full record for these trees if they later happen to be lost or are felled) the other half for architectural trees for those who enjoy looking at the photographs and voting on composition. The two groups could then be happy.


Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-10-07 18:07:56, said:
Amazing.

Tim, at 2014-10-07 18:45:55, said:
Hi Wim,

I read you apparently register trees with an inaccurate location and assign pictures of other trees to it, likely just to have that particular photo or photos uploaded.

That of course is not what should be done. Instead of expecting others to correct it for you, it would be much better not to enter incorrect data, and to refrain yourself from uploading pictures if you don't remember exactly of which tree it was. I for example have quite a few photos of great trees (e.g. chestnut trees in Corsica, or baobab trees in Zambia) from my travels which I did not upload, because I cannot find back the exact location.

Kind regards,

Tim


Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-10-07 18:49:10, said:
Dear friends,

I'm sorry if my contribution makes people believe that I am starting a controversy or antagonism. Please disregard my remarks. i will refrain from this kind of discussions. Apparently it is not appreciated.

Wim


Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-10-07 19:06:00, said:
Hi Tim, Your conclusion is inaccurate. I uploaded pictures with the correct coördinates. My exif data will prove that. Please don't jump to conclusions on an incorrect comment of Karlheinz.

Wim


Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-10-07 19:19:03, said:
Hi Tim,

A replenishment to my earlier reaction. I have spoken to you earlier about the fact that I didn't upload some beautiful trees in Mexico, because I didn't have the right coördinates. Since a few years nobody can accuse me of not posing the right coördinates. I have had about 4 camera's with gps function. So please ferfrain of accusations please. That's pissing me off.

Wim


Karlheinz, at 2014-10-08 06:14:03, said:
The Tree Register or something similar, where large trees are documented, there is not in Germany. Who wants to document large trees with measured values ​​is dependent on Monumental Trees. In Germany there is still the Championtree list, where trees with thick trunks are recorded, but tree heights are rarely measured.

Karlheinz


Karlheinz, at 2014-10-08 10:34:01, said:
Also my camera can store GPS locations in the Exif data area. But more exact coordinates I achieve with both my Garmin GPSMap 60csx and my modern smartphone Galaxy S5 with a suitable app. The accuracy is always dependent on the local situation and the care of my measurement. In special cases, I also measure by rangefinder the distances to striking objects in the terrain. Because a direct coordinate input in MT is not yet possible (hello Tim!), I set this measured position by the method "trial and error" in the map (satellite or map view). Then I check this position in the map for plausibility and correct if necessary.

In my experience the Exif coordinates in the photos of cameras and smart phones are a great help, it avoids rough error of positioning, you always will hit the right park. But for the exact positioning of the tree within the park, it is not enough in most cases. Of course there are differences in quality of the GPS features of cameras and and also your handling is crucial.

Karlheinz


TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2014-10-08 17:55:34, said:
A few more thoughts (Tim and Karlheinz). A record of a monumental tree is interesting straightaway, of course, but after 50 years or 100 years it will be even more valuable, because the tree will probably still be there but people might not know about it until the find the old record. (And we won't be there for them to ask.) The change in girth will then help people to estimate the ages of trees in more situations, without having to count the rings.

This means that it is worth thinking how the data on a site like Monumentaltrees might be curated and kept safe and available into the future. A paper record is easily curated, and a robust database can probably be kept up-to-date as technologies change. But I suspect that digital image files might not be decipherable in 50 years time, and a pin on a Google map certainly won't be! I've been able to relocate nearly all the trees recorded in Britain 50 or 100 years ago, even though at that time they didn't have GPS, or camera phones, or even map grid references, so I don't think that putting the icon on exactly the right spot on a map is necessarily essential.

If recorders want to adopt Monumentaltrees as the place to store their records of German trees, you might in the longer term even have to think about creating a charitable Trust to curate the site's information.


Tim, at 2014-10-08 18:46:02, said:
That's right Owen. I also often think about that. As the data (measurements, locations, coordinates, image files) are all digital, they can in fact be stored and maintained indefinitely. All physical digital data carriers like e.g. dvds or hard disks eventually become unreadable, but as long as the data (which is just of sequence of 0's and 1's) is copied over once in a while, the data can live forever.

As I'm a still a young man (currently 32 years old) I plan to be around for many decades to come. The site's content is kept safe not only by the site's hosting company, but I also often make backups on dvds.

If I would be run over by a truck tomorrow, the site would probably stay alive and be accessible for a long time, as long as my automatic yearly payments are done. The data on the dvds would still available for anyone interested. Anyone with an even limited IT background would be able to get the info back. But indeed, in the long term, I would have to think how to share with others. Maybe even make the entire content downloadable by other registers or something.

Kind regards,

Tim


Karlheinz, at 2014-10-08 22:12:00, said:
Owen, if all other details are contradictory, the coordinates would help you!

Jeroen Philippona, at 2014-10-09 06:32:25, said:
One reason for Owen to be able to find many of the trees from descriptions of 50 to 100 years old is probably that these are mostly really big trees (often open grown) or very special species and specimens. Karlheinz often looks for very tall (but not especially fat) trees in forests, wich is more difficult.

But Karlheinz has the most exact methods of all members of MT. We cannot expect from all members to work as exact as he does, while MT is not an Academic research institute with professional scientifical goals.

Jeroen


Karlheinz, at 2014-10-09 12:59:12, said:
Hello,

I do not claim for myself, to work using scientific methods and I do not expect that from other members. I will not make MT to an Academic research institute or something similar, I do not know who has put such thoughts into circulation. I am not saying that my measurements and records are error-free or that it would be the most accurate of all. I know and take into account the tolerances and limits of my own and by others commonly used measuring instruments and methods.

The point here is that a certain level of accuracy should be aimed and that there is the willingness to correct obvious errors. The stored data here must be traceable and verifiable for others. It must be allowed in MT, to report errors and to call for corrections, without one immediately be treated with subliminal hostility. A preservation of the status quo for the first registrator, or something as the right to sole ownership must not exist. An attitude "this is my tree, I have registered, keep out there!", I will not support. I have in mind that not only new trees are added, but also the database of the already registered trees will be maintained and updated (example: Wikipedia). If so I make unpopular myself with some members, I must live with. Should I have to recognize that MT developes in another direction, I see no future for me in MT.

Karlheinz



Conifers, at 2014-10-08 15:06:39, said:
Not sure what the tree (green foliage) is, possibly Pyrus sp., but it is covered in a dense Parthenocissus quinquefolia vine (Virginia Creeper; red foliage).
TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2014-10-08 17:58:55, said:
It has some apples on it (edible-looking). I'm surprised how healthy the bits of the tree underneath look, despite being so overgrown.
Conifers, at 2014-10-08 19:55:54, said:
Yes, Malus domestica - I didn't look at the right part of the tree to see those apples!
Frank Gyssling, at 2014-10-08 20:25:36, said:
It's a fun picture puzzle, right? ;-)

thetreehunter, at 2014-10-06 20:26:30, said:
This tree has only recently been discovered by Charles Violet. It is not known of before this time. Please visithttp://www.treehunter.co.uk/projects/proj-inner-2014/the-violet-oak.html to see videos and info. on this great NEW ancient Oak. Pls enjoy. Rob
TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2014-10-08 17:39:22, said:
Thanks for uploading this tree, Rob! It's amazing how trees so enormous continue to pop up (like the 11m Sweet Chestnut at Cwmdu near Crickhowell which was first found by a Dutch contributor to this site and whose Ancient Tree Hunt record I was able to verify on the basis of his information here).

You may have noticed I cannibalised the ATH records last winter when I was uploading a selection of the best UK trees so that they showed on this site. They should appear with 'Ancient Tree Hunt...' for the recorder's name but some of them may have my name still. As they weren't all trees I'd seen myself, there may be the odd misinterpretation in the location details, etc, and if you do spot anything like that, feel free to correct it.

Owen


RedRob, at 2014-10-07 17:18:16, said:
Owen, did Chic Henderson and David photograph this tree on their visit to Benmore? I would like to see a photo of this one.

RedRob, at 2014-10-07 17:19:35, said:
Any news on the Ardverike trees? News about these trees is more elusive than the Yeti.

TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2014-10-08 17:30:05, said:
The Abies amabilis at Benmore is much hemmed in by other trees and I doubt if many people have noticed it, let alone tried to photograph it. It had also died back badly before my 2007 visit, though the bottom bit was healthy enough. (I've cheated here actually by recording to the point where the dead stem had broken, rather than to the live shoots in the lower crown - but at least this give some indication that it must at one stage have grown to a good height. But they're real drama queens in cultivation and seldom happy for long.


RedRob, at 2014-10-07 17:30:33, said:
16 metres the B&I record, determined to nab a tall one but so far failed with this being the tallest.

TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2014-10-08 17:26:10, said:
8 or 9m is usually the limit. The 16m one in Ireland has somehow grown up through a Yew, almost like a climber, from Aubrey's description, though I can't remember seeing pictures. They like really rich soils, so in Yorkshire you would need to go to the Carboniferous Limestone.


RedRob, at 2014-10-07 17:34:12, said:
Nice speciman Frank, have abit of a soft spot for Silver Fir as still don't think that I have seen one in the flesh. How tall do you reckon, 35 metre ish?


RedRob, at 2014-09-26 17:19:37, said:
Tantalisingly close to 30 metres but closely consistant 29.6 metres, Britain and Ireland Champion. There must be a 30 metre Birch somewhere in the British Isles surely!? There must be taller Birch trees?

I have downloaded Mozilla Firefox and what a difference on this particular site, I can now get the map to zoom in, it doesn't freeze. Recently downloaded Internet Explorer 9 but had more trouble than ever with it since I last had it and un-installed it to go back to IE 8. Firefix definitely more compatible with this site.


RedRob, at 2014-10-07 16:48:50, said:
Did you see this one Owen, slowly creeping towards 30 metres for a Birch.


RedRob, at 2014-10-05 17:07:31, said:
These are superb, what is the tallest Omorika ever recorded? What height ar they likely to be in the wild, will there by 50 metre specimans somewhere?

Conifers, at 2014-10-05 21:00:01, said:
The Gymnosperm Database reports a 50 metre maximum, but no citation of any measured specimens. Personally, I'd be surprised if there's any over about 40 metres, it isn't a particularly large or fast-growing species.

KoutaR, at 2014-10-06 04:34:35, edited at 2014-10-06 04:35:21, said:
Prof. Dr. Peter Schütt writes in Lexikon der Nadelbäume (ed. by Schütt et al., 2008): "Omorika-Fichten können im natürlichen Areal 53 m hoch werden und einen Stammdurchmesser (BHD) von 72 cm erreichen." = "Serbian spruces can become 53 m tall and reach a diameter (DBH) of 72 cm in the native area." The reference is: Plavšić, S. (1939): Die Standorte von Picea omorika im mittleren Drina-Gebiet. Mitt. Dt. Dendrol. Ges. 52, 76-83.

Conifers, at 2014-10-06 08:31:01, said:
Thanks! Tried to find Plavšić, but it doesn't appear to be available online; it isn't on the MDDG website here, and Biodiversity Heritage Library only have volumes up to 33 (1923).

KoutaR, at 2014-10-07 07:44:13, said:
That old volumes are not online. It can be found in some libraries, but not in my city. I could try to get it in the future when I visit a city with a good library.


RedRob, at 2014-10-05 16:41:37, edited at 2014-10-05 16:42:45, said:
Looking back through old photos I noticed the conifer on the left of the photo here, very narrow in shape and clothed right to the ground and also with distinctive brown cones at the top whilst the rest (Douglas Firs) have normal shape, no cones. I didn't go up to this tree as eye was too taken with taller emergent trees in this group but is this some variant form of Douglas Fir, is it Douglas Fir? Not come across one like this anywhere else? Should have noticed this tree when I visited last year.

Conifers, at 2014-10-06 16:12:03, said:
Possibly a Sitka Spruce, but the photo isn't sharp enough to tell for sure; it could equally be another Douglas-fir with denser foliage. Needs a re-visit and some close-up pics.

TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2014-10-06 18:25:24, said:
The well-clothed tree centre-left looks like a Douglas to me. It's probably responding to the extra light being on the plantation edge.


Oriental beech in Mtirala National Park, Georgia
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KoutaR, at 2014-10-06 17:49:40, edited at 2014-10-07 08:02:01, said:
The tallest oriental beech (Fagus orientalis) I measured in Mtirala NP was 42 m tall (Oriental beech (Fagus orientalis) '19526'). The tree grows on a mountain ridge and I expected to find taller beeches in more protected locations. So I did not take any photos to save time. However, the rest of the time the forest was shrouded by such dense fog (actually cloud) that my laser could not penetrate it. I believe there are taller beeches in the park although this may not be the home of the height record beech. The following is my own speculations. I was told by the park administration that the high elevations are covered by cloud almost daily. The result is that the light is mainly diffuse, which may not be the best for growing trees very tall. The beech canopy is also strangely open, Alnus glutinosa ssp. barbata grows on ridges and slopes, and undergrowth is dense, all of which may partly be results of the diffuse light.


Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-10-06 17:14:57, said:
Seems a very nice tree.


RedRob, at 2014-10-06 17:06:45, said:
How about naming one of these trees 'The Alan Mitchell Tree' in honour and memory of Alan Mitchell.


papagan1950, at 2014-10-06 16:33:46, said:
mijn Tel .0642639067


papagan1950, at 2014-10-06 16:32:51, said:
beste Wim is de zwarte walnoot Junglans nigra op het Buitengoed Dorrepaal aan de Westvliet weg 115 te Liedschendam de zelfde soort als op begraafplaats Crooswijk in Rotterdam je kan die noten toch ook eten? wist niet dat er in Rotterdam een stond mijn oom is er vorig jaar op 18 mei 2013 daar begraven 90 jaar


papagan1950, at 2014-10-06 03:10:27, said:
erg mooie boom Wim
Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-10-06 10:04:35, said:
Eens. Ik zoek ze in allerlei jaargetijden op. De begraafplaats waar deze staan is zeer de moeite waard.

Stefan Panka, at 2014-10-05 18:35:42, said:
Blick v. Osten (Treppe der Oberförsterei Chorin).
Stefan Panka, at 2014-10-05 20:37:22, said:
Danke! Habe bereits korrigiert.

Stefan Panka, at 2014-10-05 18:49:13, said:
Blick v. Süden.
Stefan Panka, at 2014-10-05 20:36:53, said:
Danke! Habe bereits korrigiert.

Stefan Panka, at 2014-10-05 18:43:13, said:
Blick v. Süden (Zwiesel).
Stefan Panka, at 2014-10-05 20:35:58, said:
Danke! Habe bereits korrigiert.

Stefan Panka, at 2014-10-05 18:56:56, said:
Blick v. Osten - sichtbarer Totenastbesatz und lichte Kronenbereiche.
Scholem Alejchem, at 2014-10-05 19:26:40, said:
Kann das sein, daß Du die Bildunterschrift mit den Kommentaren verwechselst?
Stefan Panka, at 2014-10-05 20:33:05, said:
Danke! Habe bereits korrigiert.

Stefan Panka, at 2014-10-05 19:40:46, said:
Altersangaben Laut Tagungsband der Polnischen Dendrologischen Gesellschaft, Szczecin, 6.-8. September 2012: Międzynarodowy Zjazd Polskiego Towarzystwa Dendrologicznego, Drzewa i krzewy w krajobrazie i kulturze materialnej Pomorza Zachodniego i Brandenburgii, ISBN 978-83-7518-464-8: 84 Seiten. S. 77-78.


IF MILLÉNAIRE ABATTU
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bicri, at 2014-10-05 19:25:31, edited at 2014-10-06 10:35:41, said:
Question to conifers

Bonjour , 'y a t'il pas d'autres solutions pour sauver cet if planté entre l'an 1000 et 1200 ? il est encore capable de vivre plusieurs siècles mais les experts disent qu'il peut représenter un danger , il y certainement d'autres solutions (cerclage étais etc )http://www.ouest-france.fr/lif-du-cimetiere-plus-que-millenaire-sera-abattu-2854054



Conifers, at 2011-09-16 15:50:20, said:
Abies alba
Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-10-05 18:59:11, said:
Interessante boom. Foto is niet gelukt helaas. Dat is niet persoonlijk. Mooie foto's kun je vaak alleen maar maken bij de juiste omstandigheden.

start58now, at 2014-07-29 21:26:05, said:
So lucky are they.

GDH

Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-10-05 18:55:15, said:
Fantastische foto. !!

Trompetboom in de Stropstraat
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Tim, at 2014-08-26 08:11:29, said:
Hallo Bess,

ken jij deze boom? http://www.nieuwsblad.be/article/detail.aspx?articleid=B4303FHO

Ik heb hem toegevoegd als:

Broeders van Liefde Stropstraat

Hoewel ik daar jarenlang vlakbij op kot zat, heb ik deze nog nooit gezien.

Groeten,

Tim


Bess, at 2014-10-05 18:47:34, said:
Dat Tim,

sorry voor het late antwoord. nu pas gezien in mijn mailbox.

Ik ken hem niet! maar ik zet het op mijn to do lijst!

Groeten

Bess



Sisley, at 2014-10-04 08:17:51, said:
Very nice find !!

A big and old specimen of 'Elsbeere Baum'.

Do you make a little mistake in the name, Sorbus is good but you should change domestica by torminalis.

Rainer Lippert, at 2014-10-04 15:59:04, said:
Hallo Sisley,

vielen Dank für den Hinweis. Ich habe es gleich abgeändert. Beim auswählen hat man leider immer nur den lateinischen Namen zur Auswahl, nicht den deutschen.

Diese Elsbeere gehört zu den dicksten und ältesten in Deutschland.

Danke und viele Grüße,

Rainer


MatzeOD, at 2014-10-03 14:15:33, said:
Moin moin,

bin durch Zufall auf Ihre Seite gestoßen.Ich möchte zur Libanon Zeder mitteilen, daß nach meinen Unterlagen, Fotos und Bemerkungen auf den Rückseiten mein Ur-Urgroßvater Hofgärtner Johann Wilhelm Merle (geb. 13.05.1812, gest. 9.02.1879) gepflanzt wurde.

Sollte Interesse an Fotos oder Hinweisen bestehen, schreiben Sie mich an.

Es grüßt

Mathias Merle


Tim, at 2014-10-03 19:53:46, said:
Hello Mathias,

welcome. Please feel free to add this information to the tree's page yourself.

If you would need any help with that, please let me or someone else know.

Kind regards,

Tim



RedRob, at 2014-10-02 17:17:42, said:
Kouta, your champion Abies Nordmanniana that you found recently is not appearing at the top of the list for height?

KoutaR, at 2014-10-03 09:01:50, said:
I see it in the first position here: http://www.monumentaltrees.com/en/trees/nordmannfir/records/

Or what do you mean?


RedRob, at 2014-10-03 15:46:04, said:
http://www.monumentaltrees.com/en/world-nordmannfir/hd1

Hello Kouta, it wasn't and still isn't coming up for me on this page?


Tim, at 2014-10-03 19:30:12, said:
Oh, nice one. I apparently forgot to register "Georgia" as a country. No tree there would have appeared in the location lists, that is now solved (it was also the case for Denmark).

Thanks for letting me know.

Kind regards,

Tim



TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2014-10-02 17:59:45, said:
I assume this is X Cuprocyparis leylandii 'Leighton Green', planted in 1940. It should have had tag Y44.

Conifers, at 2014-10-02 20:09:28, said:
Cupressus × leylandii ;-)

Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-10-02 20:11:56, said:
Gentlemen,

Is this species now called Cupressus x leylandii 'Leighton Green'

Greetings,

Martin Tijdgat


Conifers, at 2014-10-02 20:15:39, said:
Hi Martin - yes; Leyland Cypress is no longer considered an intergeneric hybrid, since it has been shown that both its parents (Monterey Cypress and Nootka Cypress) are embedded in Cupressus. Excluding Nootka Cypress from Cupressus leaves the rest of the genus paraphyletic (which is not admissible in classifications).

RedRob, at 2014-10-03 15:56:57, said:
I couldn't see the label on the trunk despite walking around it several times. The base has quite a few dead lower branches and it was difficult to get near the trunk. Very impressive base though, most impressive Cypress base that I have observed myself.

RedRob, at 2014-10-03 15:59:40, said:
Do I stick this under Cupressus x Leylandii or add a cultivar with it in the category?

TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2014-10-03 17:15:22, said:
Yes, you can add 'Leighton Green' as the clonal (cultivar) name.

Most of the rest will be 'Haggerston Grey' which is the clone now sold everywhere as 'Leylandii'.



RedRob, at 2014-10-02 17:31:35, said:
Hello Owen, has this tree lost some of it's height, it's top?

TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2014-10-02 17:50:43, said:
I expect it's grown a bit. The climbed height is halfway between my laser estimates and those of David Alderman and Chic Henderson, so seems good to me. You can also add or subtract 40cm depending on where you decide 'ground-level' is among the leaflitter built up around the roots. Also, if you watch the BBC news item, Andy was pushing his pole up to the tip from a good few metres down and won't have been able to estimate when it was level with the true tip within a metre or so.

RedRob, at 2014-10-03 15:55:02, edited at 2014-10-03 16:20:24, said:
I was going to ask tonight whether there were any photos of the climb so will Google and try and find the BBC item.

This is another negative for the accuracy of climbs then, not being able to always see if you have the measure level with the apex tip of the tree.


RedRob, at 2014-10-03 16:26:57, said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04httj8/the-one-show-01102014

Don't know if these links work but found the climb of this tree on the BBC i player from Wednesday 1st October on 'The One Show'.

What a spectacular valley and stand of trees, Owen I hate to say it but your photographs have not done the place justice! To see the distance views, aerial views. Your 46 metre Lime is featured plus your Norway Spruce and Larch. I was hoping that the part where Mr Talbot stretched his measure to the top may been on so that we could see and try to judge if it was level with the tip but the footage cut off before that. The valley looks quite sheltered but visually to me there looked to be more exposure than at the Waterloo Grove at Betws which has a high wooded bank directly behind giving shelter to west, south west and north west.

Could there be a taller Douglas Fir at Reelig? What are the chances?

Must try and visit Reelig Glen before I kick the bucket, definitely a place I would like a walk in.


RedRob, at 2014-10-03 16:27:26, said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04httj8/the-one-show-01102014

RedRob, at 2014-10-03 16:29:56, said:
If you type in the address you can get to the page. 42 minutes and 2 seconds in to the programme you will find the Reelig Glen tree climb.


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Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-09-30 18:52:00, edited at 2014-09-30 18:54:53, said:
Hi Tim,

Ik heb vandaag een acer rubrum geregistreerd. red maple (Acer rubrum) '19478' met een afmeting van 2,78 m op 0,90 cm is het een respectabele boom. Als ik de lijst van Acer rubrums zie blijkt deze boom niet serieus genomen te worden. De door mij gedane meting komt niet tevoorschijn en de boom telt kennelijk niet mee. Dit verbaast me. Het is zeker geen meerstammige boom. Hij vertakt op 90 cm maar dat betekent niet dat hij meerstammig is, waarom verschijnt hij dan niet in de normale lijstjes.? Erg onbevredigend.

Kun je eea verhelderen.?

Wim


Jeroen Philippona, at 2014-09-30 19:09:10, said:
Hoi Wim,

Heeft Tim toch eerder uitgelegd: de bomen verschijnen pas na enige tijd in de lijstjes, waardoor het totale systeem minder traag is geworden. Jouw esdoorn zal binnen enkele dagen in de lijsten verschijnen.

Jeroen


Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-09-30 19:18:23, said:
Maar de boom verscheen al in het lijstje.....Alleen met een niet ingevulde meting..Dat had ik nog niet begrepen.

Ok..Ik wacht gewoon af.


Conifers, at 2014-09-30 20:22:02, said:
Maybe the non-standard measuring height of 0.9 m excludes it from the 'stoutest' table? Just like multiple stems affects the 'true' girth of a tree, so does measurement at other than 1.3-1.5 m. I am guessing those two low branches are the reason for the 0.9 m measurement. Did you also measure the girth above those branches?

Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-09-30 20:38:16, said:
I didn't. It didn't seem logical at the place. I will have another inspection to be sure.

TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2014-10-01 17:07:43, said:
On the Tree Register, we distinguish 'B' class trees, where the trunk can't be measured at the standard 1.5m but the measured girth is not significantly inflated by forks etc, from 'C' class trees, which do fork and where the measured girth can't be meaningfully compared with clean-boled trees. 'B' class trees can become girth-champions, while 'C' class trees only appear as alternative champions or as champions when the girth is very much bigger than any others.

On Monumental Trees, the distinction can also be made by answering yes/no to 'does the tree have multiple stems'. But I have noticed that some recorders (eg Red Rob) are answering 'yes' to this in the case of trees that fork higher up in their crown (and where the fork doesn't affect the girth, except that the crown will be broader and might power faster growth).


RedRob, at 2014-10-01 17:13:59, said:
Hello Owen, which ones have I done incorrectly, will correct unless someone else will.

TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2014-10-02 17:53:23, said:
I remember the tall Grecian Fir at Bodnant appearing as a 'multi-stemmed' tree, and there was one other Bodnant one. From memory, the fork was well above the measured height.

Conifers, at 2014-10-02 20:12:10, said:
I've unmultitrunked the Bodnant Greek Fir now

RedRob, at 2014-10-03 15:49:49, said:
Thanks Conifers. I have sometimes hit the wrong choice with those last three questions when resgistering trees so please correct any of the others as well.

The 2005 37 metre Abies Cephalonica the laser recorded as 39.6 metres but I didn't photograph that one as the other was taller.



Conifers, at 2014-10-03 09:41:25, said:
Quercus cerris
Rainer Lippert, at 2014-10-03 09:53:42, said:
Hallo Conifers,

vielen Dank für die schnelle Bestimmung.

Ich hätte mich also trauen sollen ;-) Das war auch mein Verdacht, war mir aber nicht sicher.

Viele Grüße,

Rainer


Jeroen Philippona, at 2014-09-29 22:13:05, edited at 2014-09-29 22:13:56, said:
The Giant Sequoia of Nymans looks like an easy victim for lightening as it towers far above the surrounding trees. To the left also some Sequoia sempervirens.
TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2014-10-01 17:15:01, said:
When I first saw this tree in 1997, it had recently died back about 4 metres to 43m. This could have been lightning damage, though I suspect it was a consequence of the summer of 1995 which was exceptionally dry in Sussex and may have caused the small dieback I've noticed in a lot of Sequoiadendron (but not other species). At the time I wasn't expecting this tree to regrow very far, but I couldn't have been more wrong.

Though it's not clear in this photo, it grows in quite a steep, narrow valley, so that tree-crowns within 400m on almost all sides side rise above its tip. Once it's tip becomes exposed to the prevailing westerly wind, I suspect it will stop growing.

RedRob, at 2014-10-01 17:26:40, said:
Any chance someone could visit Haslemere and Polecat Copse and take some new measurements and photograph the trees? Great place to visit when I visited several years ago, a very thin Coast Redwood just above the 51 metre Sequoiadendron intrigued me, took some photos on an old 2mp camera phone but they didn't come out as would be expected.

Jeroen Philippona, at 2014-09-29 21:45:08, said:
Hi Rob,

Would be nice if you also measured the CBH of such trees, as it gives an impression of the growth just like the heightmeasurement as well as of the total woodvolume.

Jeroen


RedRob, at 2014-10-01 17:16:07, said:
Apologies Jeroen, didn't think that the girth would have altered too much in 4 years so didn't go across the stream to girth it.


TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2014-09-29 20:13:23, said:
The Hirnant valley is actually just into Gwynnedd, with the watershed to the south-east forming the boundary with Powys. But I don't think there's an easy way to change the county.

Tim, at 2014-09-30 10:14:37, said:
This would work (for those having the rights to change a tree's location):

  • On the "Add tree" page, add a location in Gwynnedd

    This is filling up the page until you can select "Add new location" and click 'Save' there.

    Don't proceed as this would add a tree there, which you don't want to do.

    After this, you have an empty location in Gwynnedd

  • Go the page of tree on the old location and move it.

    This is: going to "edit data of tree" and selecting your freshly created empty location.

    It should appear in that list of choices.

Everything will be updated and the old location (now empty) will be removed from the lists.

Kind regards,

Tim


TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2014-10-01 17:09:35, said:
Thanks Tim. I'll consider correcting all the errors of this kind which I can find for the UK, when I have more time! You may remember that 'City of London' and 'Greater London' appear as two counties, and that some sites such as Kew Gardens are duplicated under both 'counties' - this could do with rationalising.

RedRob, at 2014-10-01 17:11:56, said:
Sorry, my mistake, Vyrnwy is Powys and thought that this would be too.


RedRob, at 2014-10-01 17:09:47, said:
Hello Owen, Conifers. There is a small river between my position and the trees and I didn't think anymore about these, thought that they were just European Larch. I could see some bases and tips through the young trees just in front of the camera and measured several around 38, 39 metres in the line in view although one or two could be tadge taller possibly, 40 metres. Perhaps you can see more from Street View if you take a drive?


TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2014-09-29 19:46:59, said:
From their apparent youth, and location within a FC planted forest, I wonder if these are hybrids (Larix x marschlinsii), but I can't tell for certain from this photo. Larches are easily identified from the old cones which always lie underneath them - did you look?
Conifers, at 2014-09-30 17:43:17, said:
From the long, stout branches, I'd agree more likely Hybrid Larch, if not even Japanese Larch.
TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2014-10-01 17:02:38, said:
For Tree Register purposes, I shall plump for Hybrid Larch as I suspect that true Japanese Larch is rare in FC plantings (while the hybrids are often back-crosses and quite close to Japanese Larch). As such this will be another UK and Ireland height champion. At this rate you'll soon have a clean sweep, Rob.

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Tim, at 2014-09-30 09:54:44, said:
Hi WaldFotograf,

you're adding very fine photographs of trees, which is great to see!

Welcome, and don't hesitate to ask if you have any questions.

Kind regards,

Tim



WiPe, at 2014-09-26 19:54:41, edited at 2014-09-26 19:55:45, said:
Something we could never imagine has been written down in an article in the newspaper Ouest France of septembre 24thhttp://www.ouest-france.fr/lif-du-cimetiere-plus-que-millenaire-sera-abattu-2854054

A beautiful yewtree that is part of the remarkable repertoire of the Conseil General (C.A.U.E.), will disappear very soon. Before winter, from this yewtree, aged above a millennium, growing in the cemetery,there will nothing left but the memory and photos. The venerable tree has become dangerous.

A great disaster for the community. This yew, placed close to the tombstones, near to the church has seen many parishioners, year after year, strolling under its branches. What did happen to the tree? On august 19th, explains Pierre Pitrey, the mayor of Mongardon, a survey has been carried out by a company, specialized in arboriculture and city forestry. This yew tree shows very bad machanical defects on its stem and its rootcollar.

In simplified language: this yew tree is hollow and multiple cracks at and around the trunk threaten the direct environment of the tree. Verdict: He should be killed, for the security of people and property. The paperwork is being prepared for slaughter by professional pruners, as it will not be easy to cut this tree down. The veteran tree is located very close to the to the church and cemetery. This will be costly for the municipality, approximately € 3,500, between diagnosis and slaughter: and its beautiful foliage and trunk will end for disposal.

This is a tree with a circumference of more as 9 metres.

The yew , with and estimated age, between 1000 and 1200 he was honored in 2005 as a remarkable tree of Le Manche department, and listed as such by the C.A.U.E. Its circumference is 9 to 10 m, it has a height of 9 m and a crown of 11 m circumference. Its powerful trunk is leaning heavily, but seems stopped from falling by a tombstone, slipped under the bulge of the trunk, which seems to help keep the tree in balance.

The reaction of Les Tétars arboricols:http://lestetardsarboricoles.fr/wordpress/2014/09/26/lif-mongardon-en-sursis-manche/

This millenium old yew tree would become dangerous?! And the only solution would be to cut it down ?! I am totally appalled at how we condemn this ancestor which, I quote, " its beautiful foliage and trunk will end for disposal " ...

Call the city hall to try to influence this absurd and expeditious decision: 02 33 46 04 65

Tim, at 2014-09-27 17:22:19, said:
It is indeed sad that during the course of many centuries, only one action of single human is necessary to end a tree's life.
WiPe, at 2014-09-27 17:56:12, said:
we are really not that far yet. I have the idea that people in France are ready to fighth for this tree.
Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-09-27 18:28:31, said:
So I have made my statement on the site where French people can read it. I think that's more productive than ststing opinions among us..
TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2014-09-29 19:11:00, said:
I shall forward this conversation to Tim Hills, who runs the website www.ancient-yew.org and who has years of experience in campaigning to protect ancient yews when they get condemned by ignorant consultants. He may want to offer his help to a campaign to save this tree, if he's not already aware of the threat to it.

Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-09-29 15:48:19, said:
Very nice picture

Conifers, at 2014-09-18 16:28:55, said:
Chamaecyparis pisifera, recognisable by the cone shape and size, and shoot structure.
Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-09-20 07:14:00, said:
Frank,

This is not Ch. lawsoniana. I think Conifers is spot on right with Ch. pisifera. A Lawson's cipres is not so open and transparent.

Greeting, Martin

Frank Gyssling, at 2014-09-28 09:40:18, said:
A dendrologist has again checked. You are right. There is obviously a pisifera a Chamaecyparis.

greeting frank


New functionality: cultivars/varieties/subspecies/...
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Tim, at 2014-09-26 16:23:44, said:
Hi,

today I added new functionality:

  • on the "all species" page and on the page of each separate species (example) there used to be non-clickable lists of its cultivars, varieties, subspecies, ... Now these links are clickable and counts are shown.

  • added rudimentary variety pages on which you see some information (photos, ...)

    - changed the display of subspecies, varieties, forma, cultivars, and cultivar groups per Conifer's suggestion

    - allowed seeing cultivar/variety/... photo lists (e.g.photos of red beeches)

I hope this can already be helpful.

What still needs to be added:

  • adding the possibilty to filter down to cultivar/variety/... on the location lists and record pages

  • for some users: being able to edit the cultivar/variety/... information (e.g. change name, change type, remove, ...).

Kind regards,

Tim


Conifers, at 2014-09-26 20:27:54, said:
Excellent, thanks! I am starting on some nomenclatural tidying (e.g. Pinus nigra "var. austriaca" is an invalid synonym of Pinus nigra subsp. nigra).

Conifers, at 2014-09-26 20:33:04, said:
Addenum: the text on specimen pages still needs a bit of tidying, e.g. here it says "The tree is a specimen of the cultivar 'nigra'", whereas it should say "The tree is a specimen of the subspecies nigra".

Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-09-26 20:42:01, said:
Hi Tim,

Thanks a lot I'll explore it immediately. At first sight you made more possible than I could have hoped for. I even could select the Querus petrea mespilifolia. Great job. !

Wim


Tim, at 2014-09-27 17:19:39, said:
Hi,

I will first add the possibility to rename the cultivars/..., change their type, and to delete them (it is already possible for a long time to create them, and to assign trees and reassign these trees).

Once the missing functionality is there, I will give the possibility to a restricted number of users to collaborate, agree on standards and to tidy up the cultivar list. I will post it here once the site's up to it.

Kind regards,

Tim



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Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-09-27 05:21:56, said:
Tim,

Bedankt voor deze nieuwe verbeteringen. Zou graag werken aan wegpoetsen (tik)fouten in namen als je dat toestaat. Zie eerdere mail over fouten in naamgeving Ulmus.

Groet, Martin


Tim, at 2014-09-27 17:17:05, said:
Hallo Martin,

ik zal eerst zorgen dat het mogelijk is cultivars ed. te hernoemen, van type te wijzigen en te verwijderen.

Eens dat mogelijk is zal ik een beperkt aantal gebruikers rechten geven om deze functionaliteit te kunnen gebruiken en jij bent er één van gezien jouw Ulmusmail.

Ik laat iets weten wanneer ik zover ben.

Groeten,

Tim



Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-09-27 12:51:43, said:
Hi Leo,

Uit de veelheid van bomen heb ik er één gekozen om te meten. Op foto leek deze dezelfde als jij hebt opgemeten. Ik vond echter het verschil van 25 cm te veel en heb toen maar besloten een nieuwe op te voeren. Ik heb overigens de coördinaten aangepast. De strook bomen ligt ten noorden van de Ravensteinselaan en ze zijn op de kaart goed te onderscheiden omdat er twee paden doorheen lopen. Jij had ze ten zuiden van de Ravensteinselaan geplaatst.

Groet

WIm



RedRob, at 2014-09-24 16:59:11, said:
Doesn't look very healthy.

Conifers, at 2014-09-24 17:58:39, said:
If not already dead, it will be very soon. The pics on google earth (2011) show it as healthy just 3 years ago, so it is in very rapid decline.

RedRob, at 2014-09-26 17:20:39, said:
Agree Con, not long for this world.


kathryn, at 2014-09-24 19:15:27, said:
that is cool
luisindepels, at 2014-09-24 19:25:17, said:
its Eddy a friend....He did al the work...I put it here! it is him in the picture. I wasn't there!

kathryn, at 2014-09-24 19:16:14, said:
that is cool

desainme, at 2014-05-10 16:45:40, said:
Autumn beech Hueston Woods between the perimeter road and the lake located between Brown Road and the docks.
Matt Markworth, at 2014-09-22 22:18:23, said:
Great photo. The American Beech and Tuliptrees are impressive at Hueston Woods. The topography doesn't lend itself to extremely tall trees, but this old growth forest is still magnificent.

TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2014-09-22 17:18:13, said:
Congratulations on this one, Rob. As most of these firs are on a steep slope, would measuring to an 'average' height add much?


RedRob, at 2014-09-20 16:34:17, said:
Hello Rainer, great tree, do you have any longer distance photos that you could add? There is fore shortening in the photos that you have put on so the full height cannot be appreciated?

Rainer Lippert, at 2014-09-20 22:20:32, said:
Hallo RedRob,

nein, leider habe ich kein Foto von weiter weg. Man sieht diesen Baum auch nur recht schön von dieser Seite aus, von den anderen Seite her ist er von den Nachbarbäumen bedeckt.

Viele Grüße,

Rainer


RedRob, at 2014-09-22 16:10:22, said:
Hello Rainer, know the problem, impressive tree and good find.


The 'Owen Johnson Tree'.
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RedRob, at 2014-09-20 16:19:32, edited at 2014-09-20 17:38:45, said:
coast Douglas-fir (Pseudotsuga menziesii) '19364'

I don't know what the convention and protocol is for naming trees but I think that this tree deserves more than being called '19364'. I also think that this is a superb stand of trees which were brought to light more fully and recorded with no fanfair in 2005. I think that credit is deserving and recognition. I don't know as said what the convention is, can the first person to measure a tree add a name, but I would like to give this tree a name and it will be the 'Owen Johnson Tree'.

Owen, if you are not happy with this just say but I think that you are very deserving of recognition.


Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-09-21 06:51:33, said:
Naming a splendit tree is in my opinion a good habbit. And why name tree only after kings or queens or to remember certain occasions? In Kortenhoef a Elm is called "Luijt Postma tree" after a retiring coworker of our office of public works. So please give this tree this name.

Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-09-21 06:51:55, said:
Naming a splendit tree is in my opinion a good habbit. And why name tree only after kings or queens or to remember certain occasions? In Kortenhoef a Elm is called "Luijt Postma tree" after a retiring coworker of our office of public works. So please give this tree this name.

RedRob, at 2014-09-22 16:08:50, said:
Agree Martin. Over here, a tree should have been named in honour of Alan Mitchell as he was such an early pioneer of tree measuring and finding trees. I wonder which tree would be appropriate for him, perhaps we could formally name one in his honour? I think this Douglas Fir is appropriate for Owen as I suspect that he may have some Welsh connections anyway given his name. Is this correct Owen?


RedRob, at 2014-09-22 16:02:44, said:
Another photo has been added here, what a spectacular little spot, reminiscent of Cragside House in Northumberland with the house just visible through the giant trees. I agree with Stephen on the other thread, watch the weather forecasts and you will see how High Pressure lingers over France (and Germany) with no isobars when we have tight isobars and gales here in the UK. I noticed it particularly last winter with all the storm systems passing over us and High Pressure just over the channel in France, over and over this pattern prevailed.


Stephen Verge, at 2014-09-16 07:26:04, said:
Hi Rob

Wow at least 6 trees over 60m! How long are the leaders of these trees Rob? Any noticeable wind damage from last winter?

I saw these trees in the dark with the car headlights and kick myself for running out of time to see them last year, will have to return soon. Looks like the weather will change next week so may hold off holiday there, until another anticyclone arrives to ensure good weather in Wales.

Will be at Europe's largest forestry show on Sat in the Midlands so may look at impulse lasers and the new model out and may or may not be tempted! Trouble is that would I have the time to use it? 10 years ago definitely would.

Stephen


RedRob, at 2014-09-16 17:30:36, said:
Hello Stephen, just run out of time with fiddling with the maps.

Six trees of 60 metres, the lot I bet are 60 metres if you could find windows in to measure them, the whole stand of probably nearing a hundred trees.


RedRob, at 2014-09-17 17:00:58, edited at 2014-09-17 17:26:35, said:
Stephen, your visit on Saturday, I wouldn't be tempted would be my advice. Look, ascertain what you want but don't buy or else you will be robbed blind. Try sourcing the same instrument in Holland or the continent, you will get the same thing much cheaper, ridiculously cheaper. I got the Forestry Pro that I bought for half the price that they were being advertised over here. I couldn't have justified £500 odd quid for the laser but I am happy now with what I paid, I think that I have measured enough trees to justify it. Don't think that I could have ever have justified the price of one of the Impulse lasers, not for the number of trees that I have found and measured and am now likely to find in the future. I think you would have to be travelling the world measuring or a forestry professional or professional tree measurer to justify the Impulse. Judging by Karlheinz's and Kouta's recent measuring of the 59 metre Norway Spruce, the margin of error is not too bad for the Nikon Forestry Pro. We don't know if Kouta and Karlheinz chose precisely the same spot on the trunk to measure to so this is another error margin also Kouta may actually have had the correct spot and Karlheinz may have just been a tad high, we don't know but some of this probably accounts for the small difference.

Stephen Verge, at 2014-09-19 07:17:38, said:
Rob

Many thanks for your sensible advice. Just a query if you purchase something from abroad, UK dealers are often rather awkward when it comes to service and repair? What do you think?

Will look and not touch and find out prices, with me I can offset against tax which is helpful.

Perhaps now I can return to Scotland as it remains now in UK! To measure big conifers!

Cheers

Stephen


RedRob, at 2014-09-20 15:51:42, edited at 2014-09-20 15:52:27, said:
Hello Stephen, the Nikon Forestry Pro that I purchased has/had a 1 year manufacturers warranty which expired a year ago last July. A year on it is still going strong and hoping that it will not break. If it does at any point, it will probably cost nearly as much to repair as buying a new one so I wouldn't be getting it repaired and wouldn't be buying a new one. I think it comes down anyway to how you use the laser, I am ultra careful with mine, I don't let it dangle about from my neck letting it swing around as I am walking about, I hold it in my right hand horizontal and cushion it against jolts as I walk. As I have said umpteen times on here before, I roll my finger over the buttons at the top rather than pressing on them, I found early that this cuts down on agreat amount of laser movement at the time you press but it also cuts down on wear and tear on the buttons as well. I think with simple care and use, you can look after the laser and make it last. I always carefully clean the case and lens when I have finished with it before I put it away and so the laser still looks like new even though it is over 2 years old.

RedRob, at 2014-09-20 16:08:12, said:
Are there many more tall trees, 50/60 metre conifers to measure in these Isles? Chic Henderson is busy up in Scotland measuring and re-measuring trees at places all over Scotland where tall trees have been reported over the years. He has recently been at a place called Adverike (think that is correct spelling just offhand) on Loch Laggan where some tall trees were reported a few years but have not heard the results yet, even Owen hasn't? From the silence he cannot have measured a new tallest tree in Britain can we presume? An area that I would like to find some tall trees is mid Wales and South Wales, been scouring Street View and the forests of South Wales, going up and down the network of roads and there appears to be some tall looking conifers, Douglas Firs I think, just south east of theA465 at Cwmgwrach just south west of Glynneath. The tallest tree currently recorded is a 50 metre Grand Fir at the Cefn park near Cardiff which Owen found and recorded.

Stephen, do you live in Oxford or further north? If you decide to get a laser, would you be near enough Belvoir Castle for a visit? I had hoped to visit but will not be getting right down there, at least this year? A 42 metre Quercus Robur was reported there, a 29 metre Yew and 32 metre Prunus Avium, the first two are probably exaggerated possibly not the latter but it would be good to see them and confirm?


Jeroen Philippona, at 2014-09-21 12:17:32, said:
Hi Rob and Stephen,

My Nikon Forestry 550 is 5 years old now, very intensive used and not at all as careful handled by me, but still works fine. I have not heard from Kouta, Leo, Sisley, Nardo and many others that one of their Nikon laser instruments broke down till now. What I heard from long time users from the USA like Robert Leverett is also that their lasers work still after many years.

Jeroen


Stephen Verge, at 2014-09-22 10:18:38, said:
Hey thanks for all of the above helpful info

I was at the forestry show on Sat and tried out the Trupulse 200x. Impressed but very expensive £1700!!! Obviously Nikon far cheaper.

Rob I would say there are many places in the UK to find tall trees but mainly Scotland. Yes Ardverikie Estate in the Highlands has miles of tall trees big Noble/Grand Firs along Loch Laggan.

I think your 67m Douglas would be the tallest outside of its native range in the Northern Hemisphere at least, but there are taller trees in New Zealand apparently.

Wondered if it would be interesting in Monumental trees to rank which European Country has the greatest number of trees/species say over 60m? Presumably Scotland first, then Wales then Germany? There must be over a 100 trees at 60m in the UK by now.

I think Noble and White Fir Hemlock, Giant Sequoia will reach 60m in time.

I was looking at pictures of tall Douglas in Germany perhaps not as many as in Scotland and a climate not so good for growth, but what could be more important is average wind speed less which could mean trees there suffer from less damage from gales as the trees are not within the 'Atlantic Storm track.' Possibly grow taller?

Thinking about going to Wales this week, undecided!

Stephen


Stephen Verge, at 2014-09-22 10:21:17, said:
Rob

Belvoir is about 200 miles away, bit too far. But I know a cherry in The Chilterns which could be a champ for height, possibly over 30m!

Stephen


RedRob, at 2014-09-22 15:55:13, said:
Hello Stephen, where do you live? From what you have posted it seemed like the Oxford area but Oxford is 105.7 miles away from Belvoir so you must be alot further south if it is 200 miles? Do you live on the south coast?


Rayn, at 2014-09-20 19:49:46, said:
Is it known why it's called Schwedeneiche?
Rainer Lippert, at 2014-09-20 20:03:10, said:
Hallo Rayn,

im 30-jährigen Krieg, 1643, standen schwedische Truppen vor den Toren von Weida. Die Stadt wurde dann schließlich von den Schweden zurückerobert. Die Eiche wurde dann 1644 von der Bevölkerung aus Dankbarkeit zur Schwedeneiche erklärt. So die Erzählung.

Viele Grüße,

Rainer

Rayn, at 2014-09-21 09:51:16, said:
Thank you. Magnificent trees get even more interesting with a history.
Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-09-21 11:54:08, said:
Rainer,

Can you place this information on the openingpage of this tree? I had the same question as Rayn did.

Greetings, Martin

Rainer Lippert, at 2014-09-21 17:49:18, said:
Hallo Martin,

ich habe es ergänzt. Ich hätte aber auch einfach auf meine Eichenseite verweisen können ;-)

http://www68.jimdo.com/app/s5400250e03d803c7/pd77d56da477ac06f/?safemode=0&cmsEdit=1

Viele Grüße,

Rainer


Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-09-18 01:27:40, said:
Wouter,

Welkom. Kan je de foto's rechtop zetten voor je ze upload?

Groet, Martin

Wouter, at 2014-09-18 07:28:00, said:
Bij mij staan de foto's rechtop voor de upload, ik weet niet wat er mis is gegaan.
Maarten Windemuller, at 2014-09-18 08:52:42, edited at 2014-09-18 08:53:39, said:
Heeft volgens mij te maken met de software en toestel (smartphone?) waarmee je de foto maakt en later bewerkt of rechtop zet.

Als je op de foto klikt en wacht op het +je (inzoomt) komt hij wel rechtop te staan.

Probeer de foto eens rechtop te zetten in Photoshop, Aperture of dergelijke en dan te uploaden.

Wouter, at 2014-09-21 15:52:35, said:
Ik heb het nogmaals geprobeerd, staat wederom niet recht. Echter als je op de afbeelding klikt dat krijg je hem in groot formaat en wel rechtop staand! Vreemd!
Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-09-21 16:09:31, said:
Wouter,

Vreemd dat dit zo loopt. Wellicht dat je Tim kunt vragen ze ook gelijk bij het openen rechtop te zetten. Heb je trouwens een detailfoto van bebladerde twijg. Het lijkt wel een zilverlinde, maar ik zie liever een detailfoto voor ik meer zeg.

Wouter, at 2014-09-21 16:23:56, said:
Nee, helaas niet we waren daar op vakantie, het kasteel en tuinen waren eigenlijk gesloten voor bezoekers. Gek genoeg ging onze wandelroute achterlangs en we konden gewoon door lopen. Heb gauw wat foto's gemaakt van het kasteel en de bomen die daar staan. Deze linde was behoorlijk groot en heb er ook wat foto's van genomen. Helaas zo gauw niet aan gedacht om meer gedetailleerde foto's te maken.
Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-09-21 16:57:20, said:
Wouter,

Je zegt linde, dan sluit ik me aan bij Maarten Windemuller en Conifers; dit is een zilverlinde, Tilia tomentosa. Pas je de naam aan, de boom is gedetermineerd.


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Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-09-17 16:20:05, said:
Het is mij niet duidelijk wie aan de beschrijving een verhaal over meten op verschillende hoogtes heeft opgeschreven. Mijn ervaringen stroken daarmee. Ik heb nadrukkelijk het centrum van de boom opgezocht, maar daar alleen meten is hachelijk. Het is de kunst om het meetlint strak te houden en steeds te letten op 1.30 meter. Mijn eerste meting kwam uit op 6,57 meter en mijn tweede en derde op 6,56 en 6,49. Ik probeerde met alle macht het lint strak te trekken op de middenpositie. Uiteindelijk lukte me dat (denk ik) en ik kwam op 6,38 meter. Ik had van tevoren wel wat gegevens verzameld en in mijn gegevens stond een hoogte van 6,10 meter. Ik kan die hoogte absoluut niet aan mijn praktijkervaring koppelen.

Jeroen Philippona, at 2014-09-17 20:54:54, edited at 2014-09-17 20:55:47, said:
Hallo Wim,

Het stukje tekst over het meten is van mij. De laatste keer dat ik er aan het meten ben geweest was dit voorjaar samen met Corine van Dun, hoofdredacteur van Bomennieuws. Bomen op hellingen zijn lastig te meten, als je de methode hanteert van het centrum van de boom, waar de boom ooit ontkiemde of werd geplant, kom je bij heel dikke bomen op steile hellingen soms onder het hoogste punt rond de stam uit. Bij bomen op zo'n locatie is het aardig op verschillende hoogtes te meten. Wat je bedoelt met die hoogte van 6,10 m is me niet duidelijk.

Jeroen


Wim Brinkerink, at 2014-09-18 08:58:31, said:
Hallo Jeroen,

Lees voor 6,10 svp 6,18. 6,10 zat onterecht in mijn hoofd, dat moest 6,18 zijn. Ik had een overzichtje meegenomen met maten zoals ze op MT staan. Maar als ik jouw verhaal lees dan zou je toch een omtrek van 6,46 m moeten registreren? Of is de eerder door jou beschreven meetrichtlijn niet zo algemeen? Ik hou me er in ieder geval zo goed mogelijk aan, maar aarzel om 6,38 aan te geven. (wat volgens mij een juistere meting dan 6,18 zou zijn). (Overigens verklaart dat nog niet het verschil met jouw meting van 6,46 m.)

WIm


Jeroen Philippona, at 2014-09-21 12:21:50, said:
Het verschil tussen jouw en mijn meting bij de meting rond het middelpunt verbaast me niet: ik mat dit jaar ook een kleinere omtrek dan enkele jaren eerder, de gemiddelde hoogte is nu eenmaal moeilijk te bepalen. Dat was één van de redenen waarom men koos voor meten op 1,3 m boven het hoogste punt, dat is makkelijker te bepalen.

Het blijft een benadering, zeker bij bomen met een breed uitlopende voet, zoals veel Sequoiadendrons.

Groet, Jeroen



Rainer Lippert, at 2014-09-20 22:02:37, said:
Oh, 0,5 als Bewertung, doch so viel.

Viele Grüße,

Rainer

Rayn, at 2014-09-21 09:49:48, said:
3.5 and counting...

Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-09-21 06:39:14, said:
Wauw!

Stephen Verge, at 2014-09-19 07:26:10, said:
Wow amazing!

Rob ever thought of purchasing one of those poles used in surveying so you can measure above the vegetation and add on accurately the remainder?

Stephen


RedRob, at 2014-09-20 16:11:23, said:
Good idea Stephen, many more trees have clear views to the base but some like these don't so it would be useful.

Meant to add about this tree and it's measurement, bought a new twin pack Lithium CR2 pack for this visit but after the initial measurement, changed to the new/spare battery to double check the reading in case of any battery drain on the first battery that I used or any fault. Same readings.


RedRob, at 2014-09-20 16:27:37, said:
Also meant to say, this tree looked sparser then the neighbouring trees in front of it, it was a more open tree which can actually be appreciated in the photos. Hoping that it hasn't got the needle drop disease or small signs of it? Maybe it is just a more open crowned speciman that the two denser, lusher specimans next to it.


Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-09-20 07:22:26, said:
Lovely, the nearby waterflow in this picture. Thanks for that, martin

Stephen Verge, at 2014-09-17 07:04:18, said:
Hello Owen

A very impressive stand of trees for that part of the country! It may be that the North Sea moderates the climate somewhat here? Although to a lesser degree than say the New Forest on the channel coast? Any Sitka there?

There is a Douglas just north of Henley, Oxon (close to me) which is almost as tall planted 1917 and still growing (on chalk!) Possibly tallest tree in Oxon if not Bucks and Berks.

Stephen


RedRob, at 2014-09-17 16:48:31, said:
I agree with Stephen, abit of a surprise but an impressive one. The Grand Fir is very impressive. I do abit of plane spotting and have been to RAF Lakenheath several times and the soil there is like dust-sandy,dry. As said to someone, amazing that the conifers in Thetford Forest can survive in the soil. I imagine it will be very dry at the moment as it has been very dry in Eastern England for the last few weeks.

TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2014-09-18 17:53:23, said:
Yes, I think the North Sea does help conifer growth in Norfolk - the most stressful conditions are often when there's a dry hot easterly wind and this will be cooler (and moister) when blowing off the North Sea.

There aren't any Sitkas at Weasenham Woods but at another of the Coke family's 19th century experiments in continuous-cover forestry, Fulmodeston Severals, there is a (youngish) plantation with trees to 37m. Again rather remarkable, as this tree really doesn't like it hot and dry.


TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2014-09-18 17:55:04, said:
Stephen,

I remember you mentioning the Douglas Fir near Henley before. I think there are a few of your records that have not yet found their way onto the Tree Register, for one reason or the other - this is one. It certainly sounds like the tallest tree in the Home Counties area - perhaps you would be able to add it to this site?

Owen


Stephen Verge, at 2014-09-19 07:11:48, said:
Thanks Owen and Rob

Of interest to tree growth and climate from the Met Office averages 1981-2010, (On climate section on Met Office site can't post hyper link here) shows average rainfall of 700-800mm for North Norfolk, slightly less than The Chilterns where I am, 800-1000mm over higher parts, hence growth of conifers is slightly better than other Home County areas. Also shows why conifer growth/productivity is some of the best in the cool temperate world in Wales and the North West UK.

Owen I am reluctant to submit tangent measurements due to their possible inaccuracies, which may or may not be correct, but would be I hope within + or - 2m. Until I get a laser?

Owen

Do you know the giant Sessile Oak near the Mezel Depot in Windsor Great Park next to the park junction? Mentioned in Alans book as 125ft x 20ft (magnificent as any) Probably the oldest oak I have encountered, because adjacent Sessile about 390-400 years based on a solid ring count! Will do report on this for monumental trees soon. It says avenue was planted in 1751!

Regards

Stephen



RedRob, at 2014-09-16 17:20:26, edited at 2014-09-16 17:27:49, said:
When I press on 'Show on Map' the Google Map is close with individual trees visible. Press to change the location the map has panned out and I cannot get it to zoom in, I have to just stick a red bubble. Conifers, would you be able to put this directly in front of the 65 metre tree.

RedRob, at 2014-09-16 17:28:15, said:
Zooming in now, intermittant problem.

Conifers, at 2014-09-16 20:40:38, said:
Done!

RedRob, at 2014-09-18 16:39:27, said:
Thank you Conifers, able to move them to the exact spot once you have stuck them near.


Martin Tijdgat, at 2014-09-18 13:55:35, said:
Wouter,

Vraag het Tim deze fraaie Zilverlinde rechtop te zetten. Verander je zelf de status van nog niet gedetermineerde boom naar Tilia tomentosa?



derWaldfotograf, at 2014-09-18 13:31:37, said:
Stamm der Sommerlinde (Kirche im Hintergrund)

derWaldfotograf, at 2014-09-18 13:29:33, said:
Smmerlinde (von der Kirche)

Conifers, at 2014-09-16 16:44:11, said:
Tilia tomentosa
Wouter, at 2014-09-16 16:59:57, said:
Yeah that's what I thought, did not know sure for 100%
Maarten Windemuller, at 2014-09-18 08:56:45, said:
Let op de "zilveren" onderkant van de bladeren onder in de kroon.

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