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Conifers, am 2014-07-12 22:43:45, hat gesagt:
This isn't Malus sieversii - that is the direct ancestor of orchard apples, and has much larger fruit (see e.g. here).

Could be a Malus × purpurea cultivar. Maybe a case of labels swapped by vandals?

Rayn, am 2014-07-13 06:57:39, hat gesagt:
Without knowledge about cultivars, but I bet it's hard to find larger fruit in june in Sweden... Maybe in august/september?

Conifers, am 2014-07-12 22:38:58, hat gesagt:
"This tree was planted around the year 1965 ± 5"

1965 according to Alan Mitchell, the "± 5" can be removed.

chrishoh, am 2014-07-11 14:15:53, hat gesagt:
Is this a Laurus?
Alberto Cuervo Flores, am 2014-07-11 15:01:27, hat gesagt:
Magnificent tree!!, but I think not, the laurel has the shortest petiole.
Alberto Cuervo Flores, am 2014-07-12 08:52:42, hat gesagt:
I meant before, the petiole shorter than the photo.
Monzon, am 2014-07-12 08:56:07, hat gesagt:
Is not a Laurus, but Phytolacca dioica
Conifers, am 2014-07-12 22:32:17, hat gesagt:
Agree with Monzon, this is Phytolacca dioica.

Martin Tijdgat, am 2014-07-12 09:34:12, hat gesagt:
Prachtige boom die midden in het leven staat.

Martin Tijdgat, am 2014-07-12 09:20:42, hat gesagt:

What a beautiful view of this region. Thanks for that! Martin

M Wittenberg, am 2014-07-11 06:26:11, hat gesagt:
Ein faszinierendes Bild,Danke !
Alberto Cuervo Flores, am 2014-07-12 07:47:04, hat gesagt:

M Wittenberg, am 2014-07-11 06:24:09, hat gesagt:
Ein klasse Idee und eine schöne Ansicht,Danke !
Alberto Cuervo Flores, am 2014-07-11 09:28:25, hat gesagt:
Dank M Wittenberg!!, der Stein ist kostenlos und reichlich. Dieser Baum ist wahrscheinlich Blick auf die Sterne seit 600 Jahren!!

Alberto Cuervo Flores, am 2014-07-10 18:25:06, hat gesagt:
Es la de la derecha.

Is the right.

Alberto Cuervo Flores, am 2014-07-10 18:13:51, hat gesagt:
La encina reportada es la de la derecha.

Reported the holm oak is right.

KoutaR, am 2014-07-10 09:18:02, hat gesagt:
The scientific name should be: Populus 'Petrowskiana'. It is a clone, probably hybrid between Populus deltoides and Populus laurifolia.

Anyway, good that you measured it!

KoutaR, am 2014-07-10 09:23:52, hat gesagt:
Maarten, do you measure with Nikon Forestry 550/Pro or what?

Maarten Windemuller, am 2014-07-10 12:20:06, geändert am 2014-07-10 12:22:12, hat gesagt:
Hei Kouta,

You mihgt be right. When I search the books and the Internet (f.i. USDA, Wiki sites or I see three variants: P. x petrowskiana, P. petrowskiana and P. "Petrowskiana" No doubt there will come more comments so we find the correct spelling. Then we ask Tim to change it, I cannot do it myself.

Yes, I use the Nikon 550 AS. This tree I measured from south-east side (A) and north side (B). Results A 31.60 + 1.40 =33.00 and B 32,40 + 1,80 = 34.20. Avarage = 33,60. A and B are the results of scanning the top a few times, not point & shoot, and more times pointing the foot of the tree.

Best Wishes, Maarten

Maarten Windemuller, am 2014-07-10 12:58:32, hat gesagt:
Hei Kouta,

About the picture from 1990: I removed it and asked a member of the board of the Dendrologian Seura (DS) to discuss my question to use that foto here. I think you know DS is updating the register of giants for a new publication.

Best wishes, Maarten

KoutaR, am 2014-07-10 14:02:04, hat gesagt:
In my opinion, we could also accept P. x petrowskiana, but P. petrowskiana is clearly wrong as it is not a species. A reason for the name confusion is that Finnish/Russian 'Petrowskiana' and North American petrowskiana seem to be different taxa. Canadian studies have shown that taxa called P. 'Petrowskiana', P. 'Rasumowskiana' and P. x berolinensis have the same genetic composition and thus are synonyms; consequently they are not believed to be clones. However, these taxa in Finland are very distinct; even I can differentiate them. The Canadian studies have used Canadian material. Apparently the material has mixed when transported from Europe, maybe by early colonizers, who know. Finnish specialists have this opinion (Pentti Alanko said something like "when you see these taxa in other countries, you immediately see something is wrong"). In Finnland they are single clones, so 'Petrowskiana' would be the best in this case.

Good that you asked DS about the image. With who are you communicating? They recently visited the Netherlands and Belgium, did you meet them there?

Yes, I know they are updating the list.

Maarten Windemuller, am 2014-07-10 14:21:10, geändert am 2014-07-10 14:27:18, hat gesagt:
Interesting facts about this tree and the differences on worldscale. I think we should follow Pentti Alanko's vision.

DS: Juha R., tree specialist at Helsinki Kaupunki. He is also in the board of DS.

Conifers, am 2014-07-08 12:11:42, hat gesagt:
Can you get some close-up photos of the foliage, please? The bark is completely wrong for Sorbus intermedia.
Frank Gyssling, am 2014-07-08 16:11:30, hat gesagt:
That is fouls. It is a right fraxinus exelsior

geeting frank

Conifers, am 2014-07-08 18:01:14, hat gesagt:
Frank Gyssling, am 2014-07-10 12:10:48, hat gesagt:

Conifers, am 2014-07-09 19:55:49, hat gesagt:
A tamarisk Tamarix sp.
Han van Meegeren, am 2014-07-09 21:03:29, hat gesagt:
Thanks Conifers

I've tried to put the name Tamarix sp. on the site, but it is not excepted.

Do you have a solution?

Greets from Han

Leo Goudzwaard, am 2014-07-10 06:43:19, hat gesagt:
sp. is not accepted at MT, it is probably T. gallica

M Wittenberg, am 2014-07-10 05:40:43, hat gesagt:
Schon sehr beeindruckend,Danke !

TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, am 2013-11-15 19:19:03, hat gesagt:
I think the photo may be of another of the several very tall Sequoiadendron in Diana's Grove, as the tallest was closely surrounded by even taller trees. The measurement was actually done with hypsometer, and not necessarily precise to the nearest half-metre.
Frank, am 2014-07-09 19:26:03, hat gesagt:
Hello Treelovers,

I just found that this tree (no. 8457) has been removed from this site. Does this mean it doesn't exist anymore? Would be a real shame, since it seems to have sprung from seeds collected from the famous Grizzly Giant and belonged to the highest specimen in Europe. At least this is what I read here:

Just curious to learn the reason for its removal...;-)

Best regards from Germany,


Maarten Windemuller, am 2014-07-09 17:03:47, hat gesagt:
Surprise on a saturday afternoon. Did he welcome us or did he warn us?
Conifers, am 2014-07-09 17:19:59, hat gesagt:
Kattuggla / Tawny Owl. Nice to see!

Maarten Windemuller, am 2014-07-09 17:06:10, hat gesagt:
Taken from the south, a bit down the hill.

Maarten Windemuller, am 2014-07-09 17:05:12, hat gesagt:
Hollow truck, you can look through.

Maarten Windemuller, am 2014-07-09 17:02:00, hat gesagt:
The tree in it's environment.

Conifers, am 2014-07-09 14:02:38, hat gesagt:
Ulmus glabra
Maarten Windemuller, am 2014-07-09 16:46:04, hat gesagt:
Thank you.

Martin Tijdgat, am 2014-07-08 22:27:57, hat gesagt:

Beautiful light in this picture.

But what is the reason for the ring of stones around the tree?


Alberto Cuervo Flores, am 2014-07-09 08:49:29, hat gesagt:
Thank you very much again Martin.

I guess the ring of stones is a way of signaling or protect this pine. A tree is classified as singular in the autonomous community of Castile and Lion.

Greetings, Alberto.

Conifers, am 2014-07-09 11:04:02, hat gesagt:
Nice tree! I edited the coordinates to place it on the tree (it was marked on a small shrub before! ;-))

Is the history of the tree known at all?

Alberto Cuervo Flores, am 2014-07-09 13:13:31, hat gesagt:
ohh sorry, you have reason Conifers. The satellite view does not have much quality and I was confused because it marks a dirt road as unV, not know what that means. Is to the right of 3.3 km of road valdemaqueda AV-561 direction. The confusion was a few meters.

Thank you very much for flagging tree properly.

I dont know the history of this tree.

Gretings Alberto.

Sommer-Linde auf dem Friedhof in Kirchscheidungen in Kirchscheidungen
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Tim, am 2014-07-09 07:27:04, hat gesagt:
Meines Wissens wurde erst 1540 vor der Kirche eine Reformationslinde gepflanzt, da der Ort erst in diesem Jahr evangelisch wurde.

Sollten Sie Belege über dieses frühe Datum haben, würde ich mich über eine Mitteilung freuen!

Mit besten Grüßen

Rüdiger Bier

Conifers, am 2014-07-08 18:17:29, hat gesagt:
Not Magnolia acuminata, that has pale yellow-green flowers (pic); likely M. × soulangeana with a second flowering (most of the flowers of this hybrid are produced before the leaves in early spring, but there is often a small second flowering around now).
Leo Goudzwaard, am 2014-07-08 19:59:23, hat gesagt:
I know this tree very well, it is Magnolia x soulangeana
Wim Brinkerink, am 2014-07-08 21:26:14, hat gesagt:
Thank you both. I've changed it.

'Britain's oldest tree', article in Daily Mail.
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Maarten Windemuller, am 2014-07-08 06:57:26, hat gesagt:
On 7 july Daily Mail published an article about the 'oldest' tree of Brittain.

I cannot (yet) find the tree on MT. Do I look good?

Conifers, am 2014-07-08 09:19:13, hat gesagt:
Don't believe anything you read in the Daily Fail - one of Britain's most notoriously inaccurate newspapers ;-)

Certainly an interesting tree, but 5,000 years is fanciful. It fails to take account of the simple point that growth rings become narrower as the tree ages.

For more info on the ages of old yews, see:

Harte, J. (1996). How old is that old yew? At the Edge 4: 1–9 Online.

Kinmonth, F. (2006). Ageing the yew – no core, no curve? International Dendrology Society Yearbook 2005: 41–46 Online.

Leo Goudzwaard, am 2014-07-08 09:25:27, hat gesagt:
Is there any scientific proof? an article rather than a newspaper story?

according to the newspaper it is believed to be 5000 years (ja zo lust ik er nog wel een!)

A ring count of 120 per inch is hard to believe. Where is the picture of this? BTW: ringdating and dendrochronology is something completely different than ring counting. Waiting for proof....

Maarten Windemuller, am 2014-07-08 09:49:39, hat gesagt:

Thank you for the reactions. This brings us further than Facebook where I found this 'news'.

Best wishes, Maarten

RedRob, am 2014-07-08 17:05:10, hat gesagt:
Maarten beat me to this with his post. This tree has been all over the news as well

Conifers, can you explain your point about growth rings becoming narrower not being taken into account?

Conifers, am 2014-07-08 18:00:37, hat gesagt:
Quote from the Daily Fail article: "and its ring count is 120 per inch which makes it [more than] 5,000 years old" - i.e., they've taken the outermost ring count and assumed it continued at that rate for the whole life of the tree. Typical muddle-headed journalists :-(

RedRob, am 2014-07-08 17:36:38, hat gesagt:
This one slipped in under the radar, missed this one, superb tree Rainer.

RedRob, am 2014-07-08 17:29:27, hat gesagt:
Unable to post a photo for this, posted the Lime photo ok then registered this tree and tried to upload a photo but none of the photo folders appear in the little window and I cannot get them to come up? Had this problem a few times recently, is it the site or some problem at my end?

KoutaR, am 2014-07-04 13:57:37, hat gesagt:

Was this tree really climbed on 2013-06-20 and is 57,7 m really achieved by tape drop? If I recall correctly, the height was first over 58 m and you corrected it after we said the height must be measured to the average ground level, not to the lowest ground level.

Sisley, am 2014-07-04 19:12:04, hat gesagt:
Yes he was achieved by tape drop by the team of climbers in june 2013.

My first measure was made by laser and she was wrong because the I taked the lowest point of the trunk base.

KoutaR, am 2014-07-04 19:28:08, hat gesagt:
Thanks, Sisley!

I proposed in the case of the Oak of Ivenack (Stieleiche (Quercus robur) '1758') that if a tree has been measured by a reliable method (tape or laser), height measurements made by an unreliable method should not be added.

It is an equivalent case with this tree. Tape measurement has been universally considered as the most accurate and reliable method. I propose that a laser-measurement should not be added if a former tape measurement proves that the laser-measurement is inaccurate like in this case. Or is the top broken?

Rainer Lippert, am 2014-07-04 19:57:20, hat gesagt:
Hallo Kouta und Sisley,

entscheidend bei Tape-Drop ist aber auch, wie genau der Nullpunkt unten gemessen wurde. Steht der Baum am Hang, kann das schon eine Differenz ausmachen, wenn man unten ohne genauem Messgerät den Nullpunkt bestimmt. Und auch oben können beim Tape-Drop noch Probleme auftreten, den tatsächlich höchsten Trieb zu erwischen. Karlheinz ist hier zweimal hochgeklettert:

Beidemal hatten wir da die Probleme bei der Abtastung der Spitze. Also auch da kann es zu Fehlern kommen. Also nicht zwingend muss Tape-Drop die genaueste Messung darstellen. Das Equipment von Karlheinz, also TruPulse 200X auf Stativ zur Spitze und Basis, und Leica Disto D8 vom Stativ aus zur Nullpunktbestimmung, sehe ich schon als sehr genau an. Eventuell genauer als Tape-Drop, wo nicht bekannt ist, wie exakt der Nullpunkt unten bestimmt worden ist und wie sich oben die Spitzenabtastung gestaltete.

Viele Grüße,


KoutaR, am 2014-07-04 20:21:16, geändert am 2014-07-04 20:22:06, hat gesagt:
Sisley, could you ask the measurers, how they defined the average ground level? Did they measure or estimate it? If estimated, that can really make an error, though likely not 1.4 m.

I believe it that Karlheinz had problems with measuring the top in tape measurement - one year ago he had no idea how to do that, until Michael Spraggon explained it to him.

The distance measuring of the 200X and Disto is undoubtely top-accurate, but the angle measurement not so. It may result in a ~50 cm error. We have already discussed this and the measurement gurus of NTS (Bob Leverett) have indirectly confirmed it.

Karlheinz, am 2014-07-04 20:52:39, hat gesagt:
The sequoias in Ribeauvillé and Niederbronn I measured about one to two meters less in height than my predecessors. That surprises me a lot. I have no explanation. The measurement conditions especially at the trees '12175 'and '8217' were good. I had a clear view simultaneously to the tree top and to a marker nearby the base. The measurement was performed with TruPulse 200X on tripod.

greetings, Karlheinz

Karlheinz, am 2014-07-04 22:29:30, hat gesagt:
Kouta, your statement about accuracy of angle measurement with TruPulse 200X and Leica Disto D8 I can not confirm. In my earlier tests both clinometers matched very accurate. The measurement accuracy of the TruPulse is rather limited by the width of the laser beam, which does not allow pinpoint accuracy aiming at small targets.

Sisley, where is your home location? Maybe we could once meet somewhere in the middle, and together measure a tall tree.


KoutaR, am 2014-07-05 06:18:23, hat gesagt:

Message #30 and onwards.

KoutaR, am 2014-07-05 06:33:59, hat gesagt:
One possible explanation is that Pierron & Thomas have measured the tree to the lowest ground level like Sisley did at the beginning. Sisley, what do you think about this? Is it a usual way in France to measure trees to the lowest ground level = "low slope point"?

Sisley, am 2014-07-05 19:38:55, hat gesagt:
Hi, all poeple !

I know that the climbers measure from the top to the middle slop point.

L.Pierron said me his method, and my first measure of the sequoia of Ribeauvillé was 58,10 m at the low trunk point.

If I subtract approximately 0,75 m to join the middle slop point we find 57,35 m.

For the mapple tree it maybe possible that the real tope was not targeted ? I know, it was not obvious to found him without the leaves, therefore with the top is more hidden.

The tallest Douglas of Ribeauvillé was measured by tape of drop, 60,5 m, I found 62 m(measure not changed in page)and I see, Karlheinz found 61,5 m. The difference is not very important.

And for the trees near Niederbronn, my results were not so good, it was the first measures with laser and I did'nt have take the middle slop point.

The more important point that I see for the mistakes, is that I don't have pattern surveyor to set against the trunk.

In many situations this object would have helped me.

Karlheinz, am 2014-07-05 22:13:50, hat gesagt:
Last year I was in Ribeauvillé just on the go with Nikon. I had no other measurement equipment here. I did not think the readings for accurate enough to be entered into the data field for measurement. Only at the tallest Douglas of Ribeauvillé I brought a height value in the caption of the photo.

This year, I've come back, have brought my entire equipment and have done my best in the measurement. For base-determination on the slope ground I used the Leica Disto D8. As difference between low and high slope point at the sequoia of Ribeauvillé I determined 1.40 m, not much different from Sisley.

KoutaR, am 2014-07-06 08:30:53, hat gesagt:
Without seeing the tree, I guess the difference is partly a consequence of different interpretations of the highest and lowest ground levels. On a steep slope it can make a big difference. And it is largely not up to used device but just interpretation.

In addition, the clinometer error of the 200X (max. +/-0.2° according to the user manual) may explain a part of the difference. Note that even if the device gives repeated the same angle, it does not mean the angle is correct. If my "one metre long" tape measure is too long, it gives repeated the same result but it is not correct.

Karlheinz, am 2014-07-06 10:51:02, hat gesagt:
Kouta, I know that you think your Nikon 550 for the best instrument in the world! And I guess, Sisley also measures with Nikon, is that right? In the manual of my Nikon 550 I find no specification for clinometer error. Do you really think a manufacturer that conceals the error tolerance of his unit, has the higher quality sensor? The readings with Nikon have a greater range of variation compared to Leica and TruPulse and they are more dependent on interpretation by the measurer.

The Nikon is for our purposes certainly a recommendable device. But we should not expect any accuracy that can not give the unit. The competition between European record trees which are only a few decimeters apart is hardly to decide with Nikon.

KoutaR, am 2014-07-06 15:06:54, geändert am 2014-07-06 15:08:41, hat gesagt:
It is very clear that all the TruPulses are more accurate than Nikon. I have never denied it. But here we were comparing 200X vs. tape. Everybody can do a bit trigonometry and calculate how big height error can -0.2° error at the base and a +0.2° error at the top (the worst case) make. One could think that if the distance measurement is centimetre precise, height measuring is centimetre precise, too. I also believed so at first - for example, I wrote "Disto gives accurate distances to the nearest centimetre, so using a reference point did not decrease the accuracy" in my report about the tallest beech ( But the clinometers of these devices are simply not accurate enough for that accuracy. Karlheinz, could it be time to accept that. In Finland much cited is a statement of a former president: "the beginning of all the wisdom is the confession of the facts". And I am not speaking for Nikon, which is, of course, less accurate and less reliable. I would buy 200X, too, if it was much less than 1000€. I am ready to give 2000€ for a good camera but measuring is simply not important enough for me and has recently become still less important due to this like disputes.

Karlheinz, am 2014-07-07 09:25:34, hat gesagt:
Tape drop as well as instrument measurements, both can be accurate or inaccurate. That depends very much on the care is measured by, how favorable are the measuring conditions in the individual case, and how accurate are the measuring devices. I can not say from the outset that a particular measurement method always results in the most accurate value. If all conditions are optimal, I would prefer the tape-drop measurement result to a Trupulse 200X measurement, presumed when tape drop it is possible to determine the residual height to treetop safely.

For Koutas presumption of an influential inaccuracy of the 200X tilt sensor there is no confirmation, not even in the forums of the NTS ( In my estimation, the fault tolerance of the TruPulse 200X is not based on the tilt sensor, but on the wide laser beam when it impinges on inclined or uneven surfaces. Who wants to know more about how I judge the accuracy of my instruments, can read about it in my article in the Bulletin of ENTS, Volume 9, 2014 "Testing Three Different Range Finder With Built in inclinometer":

KoutaR, am 2014-07-07 11:50:59, hat gesagt:
The source or "confirmation" for the tilt sensor accuracy/inaccuracy was the user manual. You once gave me this info yourself. Why I referred to the NTS forum was that you first claimed the tilt sensor error is always the same, thus the error at the treetop would counteract the error at the base. Then Bob said it implies to the mechanical clinometers only, and after that you stopped to claim that. Disto's tilt sensor accuracy is actually lower than that of 200X: -0.2°/+0.3° outside the room temperature, according to the user manual. You have not tested the tilt sensors yourself.

A wide beam is a further error source, indeed. (Yes, applies to Nikon, too.)

200X and Disto are great instruments without doubt, but they also have their limits. You once said the other measurers will hate you because you have better instruments. I don't think that is true. It is great that you have them and make accurate measurements. But it is strange that you sometimes make statements that are based on nothing being essentially "religious".

KoutaR, am 2014-07-08 07:44:11, hat gesagt:
I found the old email of Karlheinz. The tilt sensor error of 200X is +/- 0.1 degrees "typical". Only Leica's user manual tolds how much adds low or high temperature. So this was my mistake.

RedRob, am 2014-07-08 17:09:19, hat gesagt:
I thought that a 58 metre Sequoiadendron had been reported on here, a Scottish tree measurer called Chic Henderson recently measured the Sequoiadendron at Benmore as 56.4 metres which looked like the second tallest in Europe which I just couldn't re-find on here?

Arbre passion, am 2014-07-07 18:18:50, hat gesagt:
you're sure it is not a Liriodendron chinense

Sisley, am 2014-07-07 18:35:14, hat gesagt:
Maybe it's a grefted specimen at the low trunk point. A Liriodendron tulipidera on a Liriodendron chinensis ?..

Rainer Lippert, am 2014-07-07 19:51:05, hat gesagt:

laut Parkbeschreibung soll es sich um Liriodendron tulipifera handeln. Steht auch so auf dem Schild am Stamm. Im Internet gibt es auch zahlreiche Hinweise dazu. Hier eine Beschreibung vom Park. Auf Seite 2 die Nummer 1:

Die Blätter sind tatsächlich sehr tief gelappt, was eher für Liriodendron chinense sprechen würde. Ich Frage mal Conifers, was er dazu meint.

Viele Grüße,


Conifers, am 2014-07-07 20:22:00, hat gesagt:
Hallo Rainer,

Thanks for the query! Unfortunately, leaf shape is not a reliable distinction between the two; both species are variable, with extensive overlap in shape. The only reliable difference is in the flowers, green with an orange spot on each tepal in L. tulipifera and all-green in L. chinense.

However, there is one other important point with this tree that gives us a safe conclusion: the planting date of 1779. L. chinense was only introduced to the West in 1901, so therefore this tree has to be L. tulipifera.

Rainer Lippert, am 2014-07-08 16:46:38, hat gesagt:
Hallo Conifers,

danke für die Antwort. Das mit dem Alter ist ein gutes Argument. Demnach handelt es sich zweifelsfrei um Liriodendron tulipifera.

Danke und viele Grüße,


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Thorgal, am 2014-07-08 11:11:47, hat gesagt:
Ik heb zelf een drietal giganteums opgekweekt uit zaad vorig jaar. In augustus zijn ze opgekomen.

Ze moeten alle drie een plek krijgen in mijn tuin dus wil er alles aan doen om ze te laten overleven. Ik was al heel erg blij dat de miniscule plantjes de winter zijn doorgekomen. De grootste is nu 21 cm. Hij groeit erg hard. Ik heb ze ook alle in volle zon staan. De zon heeft de afgelopen maanden relatief veel geschenen, ze kunnen er dus prima tegen lijkt het.

Ik zit met de vraag wanneer deze nu het beste definitief de grond in kan. Zou dat eind van deze zomer al kunnen of moet ik nog 1 of meerdere zomers wachten? Kan een winter nu funest zijn voor een 1 jaar oude boom?

Ik had ook al begrepen dat slakken er niert vies van zijn. Klopt dat, zijn deze een gevaar als de boompjes jong zijn. Vraag is dus wanneer ze definitief en veilig naar buiten kunnen. Wat is je advies?

Conifers, am 2014-07-07 15:48:03, hat gesagt:
Looks like it may be dying, perhaps from blister rust Cronartium ribicola.

Frank Gyssling, am 2014-07-07 09:21:34, hat gesagt:

Er hat wieder schnell reagiert – Wertung vermutlich < 1. Im Besonderen, aber nicht ausschließlich, die Blutbuchen haben es ihm angetan ;-). Dabei sind sie schon seit dem 15. Jahrhundert bekannt, ursprünglich unter dem Namen Fagus sylvatica f. atro-punicea (s. Wekipedia), und vermutlich damals eine natürliche Mutation. Heute zieren Blut-Buchen zahlreiche Landschaftsgärten in Europa, oft als herrliche Solitär-Bäume und „point de vue“. Warum hasst dieser Mensch diese Bäume so und scheut den Diskurs darüber?

Viele Grüße Frank


He again responded quickly - Evaluation probably <1 In particular, but not exclusively, the copper beeches have it done to him;-). They are already known since the 15th century, originally under the name Fagus sylvatica f atro-punicea (see Wekipedia), and probably at that time a natural mutation. Today beeches adorn numerous landscape gardens in Europe, often as beautiful solitaire trees and "point de vue". Why this man hates these trees so afraid and the discourse about it?

Greetings Frank

Martin Tijdgat, am 2014-07-06 10:03:31, hat gesagt:

Wat heb je de sfeer van deze boom mooi gevat. Dank je wel voor deze foto!

Maarten Windemuller, am 2014-07-06 15:55:50, geändert am 2014-07-06 15:58:49, hat gesagt:
Hei Martin,

Dank je. Fototechnisch gezien zijn dit lastige bomen. Weinig licht en ruimte, daarbij regende het ook. Met een FL van 24 mm en cropfactor 1.6 had ik hier 8 foto's nodig. Er staat nog een andere 'trollenbeuk' op dit terrein. Daar kan ik nog geen bruikbare foto van selecteren. Ten oosten van Lund is een Trollenbos, waar dit soort trollenbeuken van nature voorkomen. Die in dat bos zijn hoger en bij zonnig weer zijn de lichtomstandigheden beter. Zie ook

Groet, Maarten

Conifers, am 2014-07-05 22:49:04, hat gesagt:
Gleditsia triacanthos

Gymnocladus has much larger, broader leaflets

Martin Tijdgat, am 2014-07-06 09:45:07, hat gesagt:

I agree with Conifers. I planted gymnoclades in the "Rozenhof" in Kortenhoef a few years ago. It has thicker and longer twigs and different leafs.

Wim Brinkerink, am 2014-07-06 11:51:35, hat gesagt:
Thank you both, I will change it.

Martin Tijdgat, am 2014-07-06 09:52:45, hat gesagt:

Ik bezocht Willemstad lang geleden. Toen stonden er onderaan de grondwallen langs de vestinggracht enorme Robinia's. Heb je die niet meer aangetroffen of ben je daar niet geweest? Ik ben al tijden van plan die vestingwerken nog eens te bezoeken, vandaar dat ik het je vraag.

Bess, am 2014-07-06 11:07:23, hat gesagt:
Dag Martin,

Ik zal er nog eens opnieuw naartoe moeten varen dan! Ik ben er ofwel voorbijgewandeld, ofwel heb ik toch niet heel de wal afgewandeld. Mijn oog voor Carpinus is wel iets scherper dan dat voor Robinia. Heel mooi bomen stadje. Ook heel wat typische linde laantjes en de berceau naar de kerk toe… .


Rainer Lippert, am 2014-07-05 14:32:30, hat gesagt:

handelt es sich hier vielleicht um Acer cappadocicum?

Viele Grüße,


Conifers, am 2014-07-05 17:57:41, hat gesagt:
Yes, Acer cappadocicum.
Rainer Lippert, am 2014-07-06 07:02:04, hat gesagt:
Danke für die Bestätigung.

Viele Grüße,


Rainer Lippert, am 2014-07-03 17:11:16, hat gesagt:

könnte es sich hier um Catalpa ovata handeln?

Viele Grüße,


Conifers, am 2014-07-05 18:09:17, geändert am 2014-07-05 18:10:46, hat gesagt:
Leaf shape looks to fit Catalpa × erubescens (C. ovata × C. bignonioides) better; C. ovata has more deeply lobed leaves.

Edit: Can you get photos of the flowers?

Rainer Lippert, am 2014-07-06 07:01:36, hat gesagt:
Hallo Conifers,

weitere Detailbilder habe ich leider nicht. Ich habe es jetzt mal in Catalpa × erubescens abgeändert.

Danke und viele Grüße,


imarixus, am 2014-07-05 19:14:12, hat gesagt:
Who's that girl?

Bess, am 2014-07-04 14:08:58, hat gesagt:
Is there a clear difference between 'Atropunicea' and 'Purpurea'… I added them as 'Atropunicea' cause it seems more common… . That might be wrong!
Maarten Windemuller, am 2014-07-04 20:57:55, geändert am 2014-07-05 09:53:19, hat gesagt:
Dendrologie van de Lage Landen, 1e druk (= 14e druk van 'Nederlandse Dendrologie', dr. K.B. Boom), uitgave 2009 zegt hierover: 'Atropunicea'(F.s. atropurpurea [Kirchn]., F.s. purpurea [Aiton]), verzamelnaam voor alle bruine beuken; afzonderlijke klonen hieruit zijn .... etc..

Purpurea wordt niet meer genoemd.

Bess, am 2014-07-05 18:04:39, hat gesagt:

Frank Gyssling, am 2014-07-05 16:23:32, hat gesagt:

Er hat wieder schnell reagiert – Wertung vermutlich < 1. Im Besonderen, aber nicht ausschließlich, die Blutbuchen haben es ihm angetan ;-). Dabei sind sie schon seit dem 15. Jahrhundert bekannt, ursprünglich unter dem Namen Fagus sylvatica f. atro-punicea (s. Wekipedia), und vermutlich damals eine natürliche Mutation. Heute zieren Blut-Buchen zahlreiche Landschaftsgärten in Europa, oft als herrliche Solitär-Bäume und „point de vue“. Warum hasst dieser Mensch diese Bäume so und scheut den Diskurs darüber?

Viele Grüße Frank


He again responded quickly - Evaluation probably <1 In particular, but not exclusively, the copper beeches have it done to him;-). They are already known since the 15th century, originally under the name Fagus sylvatica f atro-punicea (see Wekipedia), and probably at that time a natural mutation. Today beeches adorn numerous landscape gardens in Europe, often as beautiful solitaire trees and "point de vue". Why this man hates these trees so afraid and the discourse about it?

Greetings Frank

Martin Tijdgat, am 2014-06-08 06:38:37, hat gesagt:
This looks a lot like a Quercus petraea 'Mespilifolia'.

Conifers, am 2014-06-08 12:31:56, hat gesagt:
I'd agree with that.

Leo Goudzwaard, am 2014-06-08 18:21:41, hat gesagt:
Q. p. 'Mespilifolia' is not correct, the leaves are different, inbetween Q. robur and Q. petraea, likely Q. x rosaceae.

Rainer Lippert, am 2014-06-08 19:59:57, hat gesagt:
Hallo Martin, Conifers und Leo,

ihr denkt also eher in Richtung Quercus Petraea? Hier hatte ich schon etwas darüber geschrieben:

Ich meine auch Weidenähnliche Blätter auszumachen. Bin mir aber nicht sicher. Im Park gibt es aber auch eine Quercus imbricaria, zumindest laut Schild am Stamm. Diese Eiche hat leider kein Schild.

Danke und viele Grüße,


Martin Tijdgat, am 2014-06-11 17:51:09, hat gesagt:
Dear friends,

I've looked at different images of Quercus petreae 'Mespilifolia' and Q. rosacae, but I still think this is a 'Mespilifolia' due to the forms of leaf at the base; drooping along the leafstalk.

Rainer Lippert, am 2014-06-11 19:54:32, hat gesagt:
Hallo Martin,

ich habe mir jetzt im Internet auch Bilder zu Quercus petreae 'Mespilifolia' angeschaut. Ja, ich denke nun auch, dass es sich darum handelt. Die Blätter haben starke Ähnlichkeiten. Ich werde es entsprechend abändern.

Danke und viele Grüße,


KoutaR, am 2014-06-12 07:25:42, hat gesagt:

Das ist nicht die 'Mespilifolia'. Die echte 'Mespilifolia' hat fast alle Blätter ungelappt, aber viele Blätter dieses Baumes haben völlig normale Traubeneichenähnliche Form. NB: im Foto '32927' sind einige gelappte Blätter gefressen oder sonst in schlechtem Zustand und sehen deswegen ungelappt aus. Ich weiss nicht, ob es die Zurückkreuzung zwischen der 'Mespilifolia' und der normalen Traubeneiche gibt - ein Bisschen sowas sieht dieser Baum aus.

Martin Tijdgat, am 2014-06-12 10:03:11, hat gesagt:
Dear friends,

Can it be that this is in fact a Quercus petraea cv. 'Mespilifolia', but with a lot of backlash to the original Q. petraea. I can't make out the distribution of mespilifolia-type leafs in comparison with the other leafs. We see this in more trees like Ulmus x hollandica 'Wredei' to 'Dampieri'.

Rainer Lippert, am 2014-06-12 17:47:25, hat gesagt:
Hallo Kouta und Martin,

heute habe ich zufällig in einem Park eine Quercus petraea 'Mespilifolia' mit 3 m Umfang gesehen. Zumindest laut Schild. Also die Blätter haben schon starke Ähnlichkeiten zu diesem Baum hier gezeigt. Der Stamm war aber völlig anders, eigentlich untypisch für eine Traubeneiche. Passt denn der Stamm hier für eine 'Mespilifolia'?

Viele Grüße,


Leo Goudzwaard, am 2014-06-12 18:07:31, geändert am 2014-06-12 18:07:57, hat gesagt:
I agree with Kouta: it is not a 'Mespilifolia', but Q. x rosaceae

KoutaR, am 2014-06-12 18:55:03, hat gesagt:
Der Stamm von der 'Mespilifolia' ist identisch mit dem von der normalen Traubeneiche. Nur die Blätter sind anders.

Martin Tijdgat, am 2014-06-12 22:35:04, hat gesagt:
Found good pictures of leafs etc. of Quercus x rosacea at Agree this tree is a hybrid oak. (quercus_x_rosacea_hybrid_oak_tree_05-10-06_2.jpg 640x480 pixels)

Rainer Lippert, am 2014-07-05 15:56:35, hat gesagt:
Hallo zusammen,

ich habe es jetzt in Quercus × rosacea abgeändert, mit dem Vermerk, dass es sich auch um Quercus petraea 'Mespilifolia' handeln kann. Ich denke, so dürfte es jetzt passen, nach den bisherigen Stimmen hier.

Danke und viele Grüße,

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ulmusenthu2, am 2014-07-02 20:15:04, hat gesagt:
Dear Sir,

I have loads of records of elm, not just in UK, but also in Australia, USA and Canada. I would like to share some of the details with you and indeed some of the pictures that go with them. Let me know if you are interested. Peter Bourne

Wim Brinkerink, am 2014-07-02 20:52:09, hat gesagt:
Hi.. On this site there are a lot of interested people. They all share a love for trees. Some call it treehuggers. Feel free to upload what you have... You're welcome.

I am curious to see what you have.

Kind regards


Jeroen Philippona, am 2014-07-04 22:26:16, geändert am 2014-07-04 22:28:57, hat gesagt:
Hello Peter,

It would be very nice if you upload record elms of several species and cultivars, especially if you measured and photographed them yourself.

Do you have record elms from the UK wich have not been registrated by the Tree Register of the British Isles?


Jeroen Philippona

Wim Brinkerink, am 2014-07-04 12:56:33, hat gesagt:
Juli 2014

Bess, am 2014-07-04 12:33:28, hat gesagt:
Zomer 2014. Men bouwt vlakbij de boom een nieuwe vleugel van het rusthuis. Hopelijk hoeft de boom er niet onder te lijden.

Alberto Cuervo Flores, am 2014-07-03 06:00:33, hat gesagt:
¿ No hay arboles en tu pais ?
Jeroen Philippona, am 2014-07-03 21:17:47, geändert am 2014-07-03 21:20:06, hat gesagt:
Hi Alberto,

Quercus pyrenaica is not native in the Netherlands and Belgium, but perhaps there are a few trees of this species in special arboreta.

Quercus pyrenaica no es nativo de los Países Bajos y Bélgica, pero tal vez hay algunos árboles de esta especie en arboretos especial.


Alberto Cuervo Flores, am 2014-07-03 22:41:23, hat gesagt:
Hi Jeroen,

Thank you very much for translating to the Spanish.

Yes, I think what the difference with Quercus robur is that pyrenaica needs dry season to develop correctly. In my house, in Galicia (Atlantic climate) I planted, Quercus ilex, faginea and pyrenaica, and i do not know if will grow well. (Although also influence soil) such faginea prefers calcareous soils. And in Galicia predominate siliceous soils.

Thanks and sorry for my english.


RedRob, am 2014-07-01 16:34:44, hat gesagt:
Superb trees Karlheinz and Rainer, the Sycamore has a great profile, upright growth form (to my taste anway), so does the 33.5 metre Sweet Chestnut. It looks a very good area for tall trees, expecting to find any taller here, Sweet Chestnuts or Sycamores?

Rainer Lippert, am 2014-07-01 17:19:19, hat gesagt:
Hallo RedRob,

dort gibt es ausergewöhnlich viele hohe Bäume. Im Arboretum dort gibt es über 1.000 verschiedene Baumarten. Da gibt es bestimmt noch so einige Rekorde, die wir aber nicht alle gefunden haben. Alleine an Douglasien schätze ich dort bestimmt mehr als 50 Bäume mit mehr als 60 m Höhe. Eigentlich der gesamte Bestand um die Waldtraut ist über 60 m hoch. Das ist einmalig in Deutschland.

Viele Grüße,


RedRob, am 2014-07-03 16:41:46, geändert am 2014-07-03 16:42:52, hat gesagt:
Quote Rainer 'there are ausergewöhnlich many tall trees. In the Arboretum there are over 1,000 different species of trees. There are certainly quite a few records, but we did not all have been found. Alone at Douglas I guess there certainly more than 50 trees over 60 m in height. Actually, the entire contents to the Waldtraut is about 60 m high. This is unique in Germany'

RedRob-Sounds a very impressive collection and one to visit in Germany.

Kouta seems to be quiet at the moment, must be on a measuring expedition somewhere or other?

Rainer Lippert, am 2014-07-03 16:51:11, hat gesagt:
Hallo RedRob,

ja, speziell was es Douglasien angeht, ist der Ort für Deutschland außergewöhnlich. Karlheinz und ich waren schon in Emmendingen und Ebersbach, wo bis vor zehn Jahren noch der jeweils höchste Baum Deutschlands hergekommen ist, bevor es die Waldtraut in Freiburg wurde. Dort stehen nur einzelne Douglasien, und die kommen nur knapp über die 60 m. Und in Freiburg hat der komplette Bestand mehr als 60 m. Im März und auch dieses mal haben wir wohl noch so zehn Douglasien mit 62 oder 63 m gemessen gehabt. Aber die haben uns nicht weiter interessiert.

Ob Kouta derzeit unterwegs ist weiß ich nicht.

Viele Grüße,


RedRob, am 2014-07-03 16:33:46, hat gesagt:
Britain and Ireland champion and current tallest measured in Europe. Has this one been under suspicion Owen of being the tallest and simply needed re-measuring or is this a completely new find for you?

RedRob, am 2014-07-03 16:28:17, hat gesagt:
Hello Andre, thank you for posting these photographs, excellent photos, really gives an impression of the size of the trees and also the setting. The man climbing the tree looks very small indeed.

Alberto Cuervo Flores, am 2014-07-03 15:33:11, hat gesagt:
Great fhoto! I like it !!

Leo Goudzwaard, am 2014-07-03 09:05:45, hat gesagt:
prachtige vondst, een soort die erg zeldzaam is in NL en dan ook nog 3+. Er staat er een in het G.Hornemannplantsoen in Eindhoven van 2+

ulmusenthu2, am 2014-07-02 20:20:44, hat gesagt:
Dear Sir,

The largest of any Ulmus x hollandica 'Vegeta' is in Prospect Park, Brooklyn, New York, USA. It is bigger than any I have seen on the net, in the field or any historical text. I do believe the NY Parks have measured it, but as yet I still haven't got the statistics. It can be seen on Streetview along with some very fine Ulmus hybrids from east Anglia and possible Ulmus plotii too. Incidently Ulmus plotii is planted in Australia around Tumut and Gundagai Shires.

Martin Tijdgat, am 2014-07-03 00:01:07, hat gesagt:
There is a big example of the Huntingdon elm in the Netherlands at Breda, Wilhelminapark. Bigger ones are measured by Owen Johnstone at Queen's college, Cambridge, U.K.

ulmusenthu2, am 2014-07-02 20:51:41, hat gesagt:
Ulmus wallichiana was planted in Brighton in the 1960's. Collected from the Himalayas by Prof's Hans Heybroek and Robert Melville the tree was cloned in Holland and sent to England where some of the trees were again transported to brighton. Hundreds were planted but only 60 survive today. The largest are at Longhill School, Rottingdean, Brighton. Elsewhere I only know of one tree in Kew RBG, Greater London.

Martin Tijdgat, am 2014-07-02 23:34:25, hat gesagt:
A direct descendent of the first U. wallichiana trees of Hans Heijbroek is growing in the Beemster Arboretum just north of Amsterdam in The Netherlands. You can find it as number 17669 on MT. I am growing some seedlings from this tree

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ulmusenthu2, am 2014-07-02 20:48:35, hat gesagt:
Ulmus 'Lobel, 'Dodoens' and Plantijn' are widely planted now. Australia, New Zealand and even Eastern Europe sell the tree readily. I have seen examples all over the UK and Ireland. Ulmus 'Lobel' was first planted in Brighton and Hove as Ulmus '454' I do believe and some of these trees are still growing in parks and streets of central Brighton and Hove. There are examples all over Greater London and also in Hampshire.

Photos of field elm trees (Ulmus minor)
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ulmusenthu2, am 2014-07-02 20:40:51, hat gesagt:
Ulmus minor ssp angustifolia is becoming scarce now in the UK. A few lucky trees still survive in South west Cornwall. In East Sussex there are around 30-40 trees in Brighton and Hove; and a smaller population in East Sussex. There are trees in lines in Bright (Victoria, Australia); an avenue north of the City Cemetery in Melbourne (all of one clone) and some in other towns dotted around Australia. It seems to be abscent from New Zealand; but a few trees survive in North-west USA and possibly British Colombia, Canada. There are one or two in Edinburgh, Scotland also.

American elm
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ulmusenthu2, am 2014-07-02 20:34:18, hat gesagt:
Ulmus americana cultivars are still frequent in the North-east of the USA in Oregon and Washington States. There are many conical Dutch elm cultivars there too (namely in Portland, Oregon). Ulmus americana 'Beeb's Weeping' is still in some gardens and other much rarer trees including the golden leaved 'Aurea'. Ulmus americana also appears in Traralogan, Victoria, Australia and a huge tree can be found in Harrietville, NSW which may be Australia's largest. Generally however Ulmus americana is rare in Australia. There are several small trees in Canterbury County in New Zealand and in Canada some big trees can still be found in Winnipeg. Avenues are found in Quebec and Ontario although DED is making its to them slowly but surely.

ulmusenthu2, am 2014-07-02 20:28:11, hat gesagt:
Ulmus procera is still common in Australia where there are some huge trees awaiting the tape in Bright (Victoria), Gundagai (NSW) and Tumut (NSW). It is widely seen in Melbourne and very tall in the south of Australia in Victoria state. There is an Ulmus procera in Lewes Road Brighton which is bigger than the Royal Pavilion Gardens tree and one other in Gundagai (NSW, Australia) which comes a very close second as the world's largest. A tree at the village of Norton, near Seaford, East Sussex recently died of old age with a girth of 170cm in diameter; it's shell can be seen behind Rose Cottage. There are trees in Scotland, the tallest known is there. There are also trees in New Zealand, New York State, Colorado, Australia and Malta to name but a few. I also have a photograph of the Crawley elm which was the largest ever recorded, taken a decade or two before it fell apart due to decay in the 1930's. The Crawley elm was over 40 feet round at the end of its life.

Dutch elm
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ulmusenthu2, am 2014-07-02 20:17:19, hat gesagt:
Dear Sir,

Largest of all Dutch elm (Ulmus x hollandica 'Major' is in Ballarat Sports Ground, Victoria, Australia. It is much bigger than anything else to date. Pictures can be found on the Australian Tree Register website along with measurement details.

Peter Bourne


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