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Conifers, am 2014-11-23 00:23:34, hat gesagt:
A cultivar of Lawson's Cypress Chamaecyparis lawsoniana
wwhiteside97, am 2014-11-23 01:10:10, hat gesagt:

You wouldn't know which one? It's been annoying me for a while now.

Martin Tijdgat, am 2014-11-23 09:12:04, hat gesagt:
This can be the slow growing cv. 'Columnaris'. Is known when this tree was planted?
wwhiteside97, am 2014-11-23 10:20:12, hat gesagt:
No known planting date, although there is a picture of it from 15-20 years ago and it hasn't grown too much since then.
Martin Tijdgat, am 2014-11-23 12:35:58, hat gesagt:
Looking at the other Lawson's cypresses in this park it is a full matured tree. I would say it is no longer a tree off undetermined species, but a Chamaecyparis lawsoniana 'Columnaris'
TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, am 2014-11-26 18:31:26, hat gesagt:
Curiously the name 'Columnaris' is used in Britain and Ireland (and in America judging from googling the name) for a quite different cultivar with grey, mostly vertical sprays and a narrow (columnar) habit. On older trees there is a marked change in habit at 4m up, where the sprays become like the type's (but stay the same dull grey). Martin, as 'Columnaris' was a Dutch clone originally, are you saying that the original plants resembled this one?

I would have just said that the Gosford tree is a poorly-grown and scruffy 'Erecta Viridis', but it could well be a scarce, slower-growing named clone.

In 1976 there was a big example of 'Gracilis Pendula' at Gosford, presumably labelled - a Veitch clone. This should have been an open, weeping tree, so I don't suspect this tree is a scion from that one.

wwhiteside97, am 2014-11-26 19:35:25, hat gesagt:
Could very well be erecta viridis, will check shoots with the other erecta viridis in the forest.
Martin Tijdgat, am 2014-11-26 23:19:51, hat gesagt:

This is clearly a slow growing slender form. 'Erecta Viridis' is not a cultivar I know, but it looks to be a form that can grow up to 10 meter and more. I have seen a few 'Columnaris' at nurseries in Holland and they resemble this tree in treeform, dense structure and grey-ish color. But it is possible that in Britain and Ireland this cv was or is sold with another cultivar name. I agree with Owen that this is a very slow growing form. Maybe the original cultivarname can be traced in old nurserie catalogues?

wwhiteside97, am 2014-11-26 21:20:23, hat gesagt:
Showing the slightly older leaves and shoot.

wwhiteside97, am 2014-11-26 21:18:28, hat gesagt:
Showing the underside of the leaves... very small spine at end of leaf tip.

Conifers, am 2014-11-23 18:38:35, hat gesagt:
Podocarpus sp., perhaps P. salignus (though the leaves are a bit short for this)
wwhiteside97, am 2014-11-23 21:00:48, hat gesagt:
Thanks, yes I think P. Salignus leaves are too big, will upload a clearer picture..... Possibly nubigenus?
Conifers, am 2014-11-25 09:49:22, hat gesagt:
Doesn't look like P. nubigenus, which has shorter, stiffer, denser leaves. How large is the plant? If just a small, young plant it could well still be P. salignus, as when young (up to maybe 1-2m tall?) they do have shorter leaves like this.
wwhiteside97, am 2014-11-25 11:44:49, hat gesagt:
Hi, there are two trees both about 8 or 9 metres tall at the max...
Conifers, am 2014-11-25 23:17:41, hat gesagt:
OK! So some other Podocarpus . . . not easy!
TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, am 2014-11-26 18:12:01, hat gesagt:
Wouldn't P. totara be the obvious species?

Unfortunately, there are no historic Alan Mitchell records for these younger plantings at Gosford. Do we know where the Forest Service (?) may have been sourcing them from?

wwhiteside97, am 2014-11-26 19:01:14, geändert am 2014-11-26 19:46:22, hat gesagt:
I will have to get down on Saturday to get a clearer picture of the tree and foliage. Would be hard to know where the Forest Service would have sourced these from as there haven't really been any plantings since and there may not be any records.
Conifers, am 2014-11-26 20:26:25, hat gesagt:
Doesn't look like P. totara - leaves too long and lax.

ww'97 - are the leaves hard and spiny to handle, or fairly soft?

wwhiteside97, am 2014-11-26 21:14:54, hat gesagt:
They are a bit spiny but not too much, wouldn't say they are soft either...

Another must visit in the future
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Rayn, am 2014-06-20 11:32:02, geändert am 2014-06-20 11:34:26, hat gesagt:
There is a majestic elm at Övraböke, Halmstad, Sweden, as reported by Lars G Andersson in 2011. He believes it to be a pollarded tree, now abandoned, with an impressive girth of 10,6 metres. Looks multistemmed but still quite a monumental specimen.

I hope to visit this location some day but it's a long trip for me so it's unknown when I get the opportunity. I thought I might share it with you if someone are in the neighbourhood for some reason...


Lars G Anderssons coordinates:'03.8%22N+12%C2%B054'13.7%22E/@56.9177737,12.9037396,195m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0

Can be found at

Maarten Windemuller, am 2014-06-21 10:35:32, geändert am 2014-06-22 13:14:57, hat gesagt:
Hei Rayn,

Good suggestion, thank you.

Few weeks ago on the way north, we were in Båstad for the "Suntelbuche" (Vresbok) in the Norrvikens trädgård. We passed Halmstad and the area were Övraböke is.

I found three Ulmus > 10 m girth on Trädportalen. One between Rumskilla and Bodnaryd which are both on my list for next week. It looks that the one near Eksjö is on private ground (Google Earth).

Don't know if I succeed in adding more trees om my list now, depends on more than my own intention. Let's see what happens. At least good to know so I can put them on my list anyway for future visits.

Kind regards, Maarten

Rayn, am 2014-06-22 12:40:00, hat gesagt:
Did you register the Suntelbuche/vresbok here?

Good luck in finding interesting trees on your journeys!

Best regards


Maarten Windemuller, am 2014-06-22 13:19:48, geändert am 2014-06-22 18:39:17, hat gesagt:
Hei Rayn,

Not yet, coming soon. 2013 we visited two in Northern Ireland and 2009 one in Germany (MT 13135). Hannover (MT 3409) is on the list. See also Suntelbuche on de.wikipedia site.

Best whishes, Maarten

Maarten Windemuller, am 2014-11-20 23:14:31, geändert am 2014-11-20 23:21:21, hat gesagt:

I see some of the trees you registered are near Gävle. Is it possible you maybe register the apple tree when you come in that area? I read the tree is still standing and 24/7 watched.

There is also facebook page: where I can follow this case and find sometimes links to newsfacts like this one.

Kind regards,


Rayn, am 2014-11-26 18:31:43, hat gesagt:
It's a few hours away from me, but I'll try to give it a visit and take some photos but I can't say when, quite busy right now with work and familythings etc... Hopefully it will be left standing for a litle while longer...

The tallest tree in the world
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Hans Verbaandert, am 2014-11-26 01:29:52, hat gesagt:
Tweestammig, beide zijde zichtbaar

xandru, am 2014-11-25 21:07:43, hat gesagt:

The tallest tree in the world
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young, am 2014-11-25 15:43:03, geändert am 2014-11-25 15:44:30, hat gesagt:
the tree is so cool that i wish i had it

Conifers, am 2014-11-23 18:39:58, geändert am 2014-11-23 18:40:30, hat gesagt:
Abies forrestii or close relative.

Edit: Any cones near the top?

wwhiteside97, am 2014-11-23 18:43:24, hat gesagt:
There are a few cones on the ends of the top branches.
Conifers, am 2014-11-23 18:48:08, hat gesagt:
Can you get a pic, please! Also a pic of a shoot showing the underside would help. Thanks!
Conifers, am 2014-11-23 18:48:42, hat gesagt:
Oh, and the sharper the focus, the better ;-)
wwhiteside97, am 2014-11-23 19:18:47, hat gesagt:
I know!! :-) it was a bit windy when I was taking the picture!!
wwhiteside97, am 2014-11-23 22:28:11, hat gesagt:
From memory I can't remember the cones being as thick as A. Forrestii but I will upload a picture of them.

wwhiteside97, am 2014-11-23 14:19:37, hat gesagt:
It is a five needled pine.
Conifers, am 2014-11-23 18:32:56, hat gesagt:
Could be any of several - Pinus armandii, P. ayacahuite, P. monticola, P. strobiformis, P. stylesii, P. veitchii, P. wallichiana, or a hybrid (white pines are notorious for hybridising!). Needs a cone for determination. A close macro of a more vigorous young shoot (to see if glabrous or pubescent) would also help.
wwhiteside97, am 2014-11-23 18:46:58, hat gesagt:
Will upload a clearer picture soon, no cones yet as still a young tree... only about 8 - 10 metres.

Martin Tijdgat, am 2014-11-22 22:48:58, hat gesagt:
This looks to be a Abies koreana

Greetings, Martin Tijdgat

wwhiteside97, am 2014-11-22 23:39:16, hat gesagt:
Hello, thanks for this, I wasn't sure as the cones were at the very top of the tree.

Conifers, am 2014-11-23 00:27:51, hat gesagt:
Not quite right for Abies koreana, looks more like Abies × arnoldiana (hybrid between Abies koreana and Abies veitchii) to me.

Martin Tijdgat, am 2014-11-23 00:51:42, hat gesagt:

Thanks, that is a new one for me. How do you keep A. Koreana and A. X arnoldiana apart?

Conifers, am 2014-11-23 18:46:21, hat gesagt:
The hybrid is of course intermediate between the parents. Leaf length / width ratio (A. koreana has shorter, broader needles, A. veitchii longer, slenderer needles), and the degree of white below (A. koreana more vivid white often covering the full width of the underside, A. veitchii less vivid white and usually in two bands with the green midrib showing easily) are the best features to look for.

Conifers, am 2014-11-23 18:34:12, hat gesagt:
Sawara Cypress Chamaecyparis pisifera

Martin Tijdgat, am 2014-11-23 12:28:37, hat gesagt:
Love this kind off fotograph. It shows the strenght of this tree and the use ( by children?). Thanks! Martin Tijdgat
wwhiteside97, am 2014-11-23 13:27:21, hat gesagt:
Hi, yes it is a popular tree for children and for family photos too.

They set fire on one of the best oaks in Europe!
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Jeroen Pater, am 2014-11-19 08:25:38, geändert am 2014-11-19 08:32:54, hat gesagt:
I just got the news today from my friend Krzysztof Borkowski from Poland that Chrobry oak has set on fire:,149851.html

I hope it will survive, but the pictures look very bad.

It is very sad news. The Chrobry oak is one of the most impressive oak trees in Europe. Why are people doing this!?



Jeroen Philippona, am 2014-11-19 23:51:47, geändert am 2014-11-19 23:52:57, hat gesagt:
Indeed very sad and incredible that people do this. This is indeed one of the most impressive oaks I have ever visited.

Jeroen Philippona

Stephen Verge, am 2014-11-20 08:13:10, hat gesagt:
I'm afraid I'm in despair with the human race!

The heat involved is likely to have cooked the sapwood and cambium layer, I am not hopeful it will survive. The Sherwood Oak in Nottinghamshire was also set on fire in the past, but it has survived.

Jeroen Philippona, am 2014-11-20 20:15:47, geändert am 2014-11-20 21:58:34, hat gesagt:
Jeroen Pater and I visited this oak at a day in November 1999. At the same day we also visited the oak Napoleon in Zabor, somewhat more to the north-east, wich had a girth of even 10.45 m and was the biggest circumferenced oak of Poland at that time. It was also hollow and a few years later this oak also was set on fire. It survived, but the burning was repeated after a few years and the oak died.

The biggest girthed tree of the Netherlands, a hollow Sweet Chestnut (see Kastanjedal ) also was set on fire several times, the last time in 2005 and till now has survived.

So I hope Chrobry will stay alive as well.


Rainer Lippert, am 2014-11-20 21:12:06, hat gesagt:

die Eiche in Hornoldendorf (Außenmauer des Ritterguts) wurde vor zwei Jahren auch in Brand gesetzt. Letztes Jahr hat es noch so ausgesehen, als ob sie es wohl nicht überlebt. In diesem Jahr, als ich dort war, hat sich wieder recht viel grün gezeigt. Und zwar an Ästen, die noch 2013 kahl waren. Sie scheint sich also zu erholen. Vielleicht schafft es ja diese Eiche hier auch so wie die in Hornoldendorf. Hoffen wir also mal.

Viele Grüße,


KoutaR, am 2014-11-20 22:57:55, hat gesagt:
This may be a good reason not to publish record tree locations (though trees like the oak in question cannot be kept secret).

Jeroen Pater, am 2014-11-21 06:29:22, hat gesagt:
I don't think keeping trees a secret is a good idea. They give Chrobry a value of 4.300000 (I think) zlotty. That is a lot of money. If the Chrobry oak is that expensive, why did they not put smoke and heat detectors inside.

I think a better solution is to some how close the gabs of a hollow tree, so nothing that can burn can get in. It won't work with all hollow trees, but I think it will work with a lot of them. I think is is very hard to burn a tree that has a trunk with no gabs.


Stephen Verge, am 2014-11-21 07:47:16, hat gesagt:
Hello All

Yes Kouta I agree

Sadly keeping champion trees secret from the public is the only way to protect them from vandalism. But in this case the tree was so well known it was impossible. As I have said before, in the UK there are many rare plants, where location details are kept deliberately vague to ensure protection.

The recent climbing damage to the 66m Douglas fir in Scotland (not deliberate vandalism) I feel is a wake up call not to give exact location details for champion trees and giving the 'wider' general public this information is a risk to them. But recording and uploading them is perfectly acceptable on MT.

I hope those responsible are caught and prosecuted!

Lets hope the tree survives

Jeroen Philippona, am 2014-11-22 00:27:45, hat gesagt:
Indeed this tree was to famous to hide it from the public. But, the other very big oak in Poland, called Napoleon at Zabor, was not well known, in fact it was a rather secret tree standing at a lonely place to be found only by insiders along a small sand road. It was set on fire very probable by local young boys and I suppose this also was the case with the Chrobry oak, like with the "Kabouterboom", the big Sweet Chestnut in Holland.

So I think most of these hollow old trees are more at risk from local young people than from people from elsewere.


Andrew Weber, am 2014-11-22 13:13:13, geändert am 2014-11-22 13:27:23, hat gesagt:
Moreover, in Poland many big trees, especially oaks, were set on fire, not only the biggest. I have seen in 2014 a few oaks with girth ranging from 6,5 to 8 metres that also suffered an arson and they usually grew in remote places.. So the largest trees should be preserved rather by fence, because cameras could be stolen indeed.. And it is a matter of local government that trees are conserved or 'unwanted', like here, Chrześcijanin (the Christian) Oak in Poland: street.

All in all, I hope that miracle will happen and Chrobry will survive, but it is horrible that someone wants to destroy peaceful monumental trees..

Best regards,



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