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RedRob, am 2014-10-24 16:30:17, hat gesagt:
Only two Common Laburnums registered! I wish I had realised this as have seen quite a few good sized Laburnums, probably around 10 metres, but didn't record them as have been meaning to visit Wakefield Castle to measure and confirm the B&I champion height there, 17 metres if I remember correctly? They are lovely trees when in flower. Will have to now try and remember where I have noticed some of the Laburnums.

Conifers, am 2014-10-24 16:56:26, hat gesagt:
Hi Rob - you'd need to check identities carefully. 'Common' Laburnum is actually far from common in cultivation now, and rarely exceeds 6 metres or so tall. Larger ones are almost all Alpine Laburnum L. alpinum, or (most frequently of all now) the hybrid between the two, Voss's Laburnum L. × watereri 'Vossii'. Distinguishing them is fairly tricky; I suspect the ones in these photos here are Voss's, but can't confirm it without close-up pics.

Wim Brinkerink, am 2014-10-24 16:57:51, hat gesagt:
Hi Rob,

Intriguing that you stumbled upon this tree. Don't know how you see it, but in the 60's and 70's the babyboomers in Holland, judged this species as a thoroughly "burgerlijk" plant/tree. A lot of people (probably outside the world of agriculturalists, naturalist and dendrologists) defied this trees.

I used to be one of them. By now, I am a bit independent and judge everything without prejudice. And true, Laburnums can be very nice. That's what a lot of people in Asia think.

RedRob, am 2014-10-24 17:04:08, hat gesagt:
Hello Wim, it is a very nice Laburnum, these trees always bring a smile, lift the mood because they are so bright even on a dull day when in flower.

Hello Conifers, probably too late now as the leaves will have gone but any that I measure I will get an ident for from the expert eyes on here.

Stephen Verge, am 2014-10-18 11:39:03, hat gesagt:
Hi Rob

Yes saw this tree on my visit last month.

I saw this tree way back in the early nineties, it was flat topped. Yes very luxuriant and healthy. Judging by the fresh fissures in the bark I would say it is still growing rapidly in girth. The trunk also has very little taper and I would not be surprised if it contained 60m3 of wood. It may reach 55-60m eventually but may take another 30 years?

A species which has not reached its full potential in the UK and with climate change, could well excel in the west. It is virtually bombproof with only man/wind/lightning the real hazard. With Giant sequoia Honey fungus and other decay fungi can attack these trees but not Coast Redwood.


RedRob, am 2014-10-23 15:50:30, hat gesagt:
Stephen, were the footpaths open on the south west bank of the river through the Dell? I really wanted to have a go at measuring the Corsican Pines which were planted as a shelterbelt and which Owen recorded as 43 metres in 2005 but the whole area was fenced off with 'no admittance' the day that I visited. I could see them but couldn't get any view of any bases? Don't know what was going on that day? I could also see the Nordmann Fir but not the base? 45 metres is the B&I record for Corsican Pine and these had probably or possibly overtaken that? Did you photograph them or attempt a measurement?

Conifers, am 2014-10-23 15:56:19, hat gesagt:
The 'no admittance' signs are just for the general public - if you ask at reception, they'll (usually) give you permission to go over them once they know why you're there if it's a special reason like measuring trees. At least that's how it used to be. All they'd likely ask of you is to give them a copy of the measurements afterward.

RedRob, am 2014-10-23 16:17:16, hat gesagt:
Hello Conifers, you may be right. The paths up the hillside were blocked off with pink ribbon which I thought unusual and that something may have happened further up, perhaps unsafe paths or a landslide?

TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, am 2014-10-24 12:59:27, hat gesagt:
I've just added some historic measurements for this tree. It's growing remarkably steadily! (Tim, one feature that could be added is a calculation of annual growth-rate between the planting date and the first measurement for trees with known planting dates?)

Rob, the Corsican Pine was very difficult to measure tangent-fashion, as they generally are, and it could have been more than 43m. But probably also hard to see the highest shoots with laser. As it's part of the official 'shelterbelt' it may not have added more height. Much of the garden was also shut to the public on my visit in 2005 - is this a permanent condition? I know that recently Bodnant has been undergoing 'restoration' at the urging of various influentual landscape gardeners. This is a word that always fills me with dread as it generally means cutting down the existing 100-year-old trees and planting new ones to 'recreate the spirit in which the garden was originally conceived' or words to that effect. At least they've spared this one.

RedRob, am 2014-10-24 16:08:16, hat gesagt:
Hello Owen, perhaps we need a petition from someone, the Tree Register members perhaps amongts others to protect these older trees, it would be tragic if any of the tall conifers and others were felled just for the sake of it, they are irreplaceable.

This Coastie doesn't grow very fast does it, I measured 51 metres for it MT standard reading (centre of base on slope), Tree Register standard it will be about 50.4 metres I estimate, the girth probably now 6 metres perhaps taking into account Stephen's comments. It looks glaucousy as you described so will it be some sort of variant and hence have a lower growth rate?

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Stephen Verge, am 2014-10-18 12:00:01, hat gesagt:
Hi All

Thought you might have seen this, but if not look below.

This appalling Forestry practice continues! This would not happen in the UK!

The tree is sadly doomed and will blow over in the next Pacific gale.

Trees such as these need the whole valley side to protect them.

Very sad!


Stephen Verge, am 2014-10-18 12:03:51, hat gesagt:
See 23/9/14 post to view it


Stephen Verge, am 2014-10-18 12:07:30, hat gesagt:
Sorry meant 23/3/14 post not easy to find.


Conifers, am 2014-10-18 13:46:08, hat gesagt:

KoutaR, am 2014-10-19 10:28:38, hat gesagt:
More photos:

(Click the first photo for further photos.)

And a video:

Stephen Verge, am 2014-10-20 09:57:42, hat gesagt:
Thanks Kouta

Great pictures/video.

How old 4-500 years?

This is not forestry and I thought the Amazon was bad!

Is there any hope for the Human Race!!


KoutaR, am 2014-10-20 15:57:50, hat gesagt:
You can sign an online petition here:

Stephen Verge, am 2014-10-21 07:47:24, hat gesagt:
Hello Kouta

Signed petition



Tim, am 2014-10-23 15:29:16, hat gesagt:
A technical hint: it is possible to post Youtube videos on the discussion page.

To do that, on the Youtube page of the video, click on "Share" somewhere below the video and then on "Embed".

Just copy paste the text you see there in your comment.

Kind regards,


RedRob, am 2014-10-23 15:39:59, hat gesagt:
The second photo down in Conifer's link (the man looking up the trunk), there is a horizontal line across the base of the trunk, is this a cut mark, have they had a bite at this tree?

jaknouse, am 2014-10-20 00:29:22, hat gesagt:
Pinus strobus is universally called "white pine" throughout its natural range. I have never in my life heard it called Weymouth pine.

Conifers, am 2014-10-20 08:04:22, hat gesagt:
More accurately, Eastern White Pine, so as to distinguish it from e.g. Pinus monticola (Western White Pine).

TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, am 2014-10-21 18:16:42, hat gesagt:
This is an interesting point, as we have English (country) names for trees on this site in the English language version rather than American ones, which would be more logical for trees with an American distribution. In this case 'Weymouth' commemorates Captain George Weymouth who first brought the tree to England in the early 17th century but has no relevance to American users of this site. I shan't offer to change the names to the American ones myself as I don't know all of them!

Conifers, am 2014-10-21 21:38:19, hat gesagt:
I'd favour using native names (i.e., use Eastern White Pine for Pinus strobus), provided they are botanically accurate (thus use e.g. Lawson's Cypress for Chamaecyparis lawsoniana, and not call it a cedar Cedrus as many in the USA regrettably misidentify it).

jaknouse, am 2014-10-22 17:42:34, hat gesagt:
That sounds reasonable.

Tim, am 2014-10-23 15:26:01, hat gesagt:
I agree and have changed the English name of Pinus strobus to eastern white pine.

Kind regards,


Conifers, am 2014-10-22 22:18:54, hat gesagt:
These are Quercus robur acorns ;-)
Han van Meegeren, am 2014-10-23 06:13:37, hat gesagt:
Ofcourse. Too late in the evening I guess, :-))

MColombari1, am 2014-10-21 16:01:07, hat gesagt:
Russia no Ukraine
Conifers, am 2014-10-21 18:09:40, hat gesagt:
Ukraine still, though currently under illegal Russian occupation.
MColombari1, am 2014-10-21 22:01:20, hat gesagt:
illegal is the current Ukrainian government
Han van Meegeren, am 2014-10-22 05:06:40, hat gesagt:
Curious: the first tree with a passport! Stop this please. A discussion for an other website.

demercleden, am 2014-10-18 15:18:14, hat gesagt:
Is there another like this one? how old would she be? (at 3.6m girth, .. of the birch family)
Conifers, am 2014-10-18 15:46:39, hat gesagt:
Quite old, but impossible to give a good estimate as it is looks like an old pollard.

PS Species now classified as Frangula alnus

PPS Frangula is hermaphrodite, so 'it', not 'she' ;-)

demercleden, am 2014-10-18 16:09:49, hat gesagt:
Yes knew it was hermaphrodite, so preferred a 'she' or 'he' or 'he/she' as mood suggested. it is not a a rock!
TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, am 2014-10-21 18:06:36, hat gesagt:
I think this tree is Salix caprea (possibly the hybrid Salix x reichartii), rather than Alder Buckthorn. The leaves should be wrinkly above and very finely grey-woolly underneath - very smooth and quite shiny green in Frangula alnus. I'd love to see an Alder Buckthorn with a single trunk more than 30cm thick, but I doubt I ever will! 3.6m girth is also near the maximum size for Salix caprea, though it tends to grow bigger in relatively harsh upland climates like this.
TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, am 2014-10-21 18:11:00, hat gesagt:
By the way (Tim), two of the photos of this one appear on their side on the tree's webpage, but come the right way up when you click to view them. Any ideas why?
demercleden, am 2014-10-21 18:54:51, hat gesagt:
Thank you again (I apologise for my inexperience) but have to start somewhere .. Yes I can see that you are right as I have checked the leaf against picture in Wikipoedia .. Can I change the classification?
Conifers, am 2014-10-21 21:39:59, geändert am 2014-10-21 21:41:00, hat gesagt:
I'll change it if you like! . . . . Done!

Conifers, am 2014-10-18 13:52:02, hat gesagt:
Abies alba ;-)
Han van Meegeren, am 2014-10-20 22:05:04, hat gesagt:
I knew there had to be something wrong. Thanks.

MColombari1, am 2012-11-02 10:45:21, hat gesagt:
Joel Skok, am 2012-11-10 19:16:46, hat gesagt:
Must see this marvel of creation. But tell me, what is its condition? Live top? Much decay or dead wood?
Conifers, am 2012-11-10 20:58:51, hat gesagt:
Plenty of pics available with a google search (it's a famous tree). From these two, it has a good dense healthy crown, though looks like it's lost its top at some stage:

KoutaR, am 2012-11-10 21:03:47, hat gesagt:

The original top has snapped a long time ago, but the tree is still almost 60 m tall. Otherwise the tree is, as far as I remember, in a good shape.

Still more than this tree, I liked neighbouring Olympic National Park. One of the greatest park I have hiked. A primeval wilderness with giant Douglas-firs, Sitka spruces and western redcedars, wild rivers and snow-capped mountains.


KoutaR, am 2012-11-12 11:10:02, hat gesagt:

So you have been there and I advertised the park needlessly!


Baumfan1964, am 2014-10-16 20:19:09, hat gesagt:
wonderfull,I am deeply impressed

Conifers, am 2014-10-14 16:24:11, hat gesagt:
Pinus nigra ;-)
Rainer Lippert, am 2014-10-14 17:52:42, hat gesagt:
Hallo Conifers,

ich habe es gleich abgeändert. Danke für den Hinweis.

Viele Grüße,



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